[Zumbi]

He has everything except football smarts. I think that's easier to fix than somehow making him stronger, faster and more technically proficient. He's already all of those things but he needs to start using them better. I like him as a player and would definitely not sell this summer. It's a miracle that he's so consistently available, i remember him being almost as injury prone as Shaw is right now. He's gone from that to playing 99 games in total between last season and this one.

Football IQ is harder to fix than technical ability or strength/speed. All those things can be worked on with specific drills. You can’t magically give someone a good football brain.

 

[Zumbi]

Well sure, we can keep pointing at his failings. And Onanas. And Garnachos. And Hojlands. And Cas, Maguire, De Ligt. Etc. And maybe hang in there till Heaven starts making mistakes and get stuck into him. Everything's wrong at the moment. I say let's just accept our shitness for the rest of the season, stop bitching and get on with supporting them.

The main way we become less shit is by identifying the players we should be keeping and the players we should be selling, and then using those sales to buy better players. Dalot isn’t good enough and is one of the few that might actually generate some funds, and so it makes sense to move him on.

 

[CannibalSpectre]

Good defensively, should have got an assist from the Mazraoui cross. Good performance. Hopefully appreciated elsewhere under a good manager in a back 4.

He's still brainless in a back four. Can we get passed these excuses concerning what role he plays? You expect a modicum of competence from a professional footballer even when deployed in a different position, and he's not wholly unfamiliar with playing wing back.

We had squad players like John O'Shea, Wes Brown and Phil Neville for instance who didn't look totally out of place in different roles. If Dalot is this limited he shouldn't be starting at this club. We deserve and should do better

 

[Zumbi]

He's still brainless in a back four. Can we get passed these excuses concerning what role he plays? You expect a modicum of competence from a professional footballer even when deployed in a different position, and he's not wholly unfamiliar with playing wing back.

We had squad players like John O'Shea, Wes Brown and Phil Neville for instance who didn't look totally out of place in different roles. If Dalot is this limited he shouldn't be starting at this club. We deserve and should do better

Well said. The main issues we need to address in our squad can be fairly well divided in to three categories:

1) players who don’t have the physicality to perform to the level we need (speed/strength/stamina)
2) players who don’t have the technical ability to perform to the level we need.
3) players who don’t have the football IQ to perform to the level we need.

Dalot falls in that third category. He’s just a braindead player, and it we want to start playing smart football, players like him need to move on.

 

[dcrompton]

Well said. The main issues we need to address in our squad can be fairly well divided in to three categories:

1) players who don’t have the physicality to perform to the level we need (speed/strength/stamina)
2) players who don’t have the technical ability to perform to the level we need.
3) players who don’t have the football IQ to perform to the level we need.

Dalot falls in that third category. He’s just a braindead player, and it we want to start playing smart football, players like him need to move on.

Unfortunately some fall into all 3 categories

 

[Zumbi]

Unfortunately some fall into all 3 categories

Indeed.

 

[talking robot]

I think he's a decent player but not a great fit for Amorim's system. If rumors of summer transfer interest are true and we can get 30-40m pounds for him, we should definitely go for it. It would be a logical way of creating space for better fitting replacements to step in. With everyone fit, I don't think he'd be a huge miss (Dorgu on the left, Amad on the right, Mazrouai as back up).

 

[Escobar]

Football IQ is harder to fix than technical ability or strength/speed. All those things can be worked on with specific drills. You can’t magically give someone a good football brain.

You cant fix braindead players and Dalot tops them all

 

[RuudTom83]

He is becoming almost Bruno levels of availability! which is very welcome at United.

I feel due to necessity he is being over played at the moment which is resulting in some bang average performances. But he is a great option to have once he can be rotated/rested a little.

 

[tomaldinho1]

You cant fix braindead players and Dalot tops them all

Chill man, he makes some silly decisions - mostly his weirdly risky cross field passes which often lead to a counter but he's got a base level which is good enough to be a squad player minimum. This forum swings so wildly, if the team pays well overall I will bet suddenly people start singing his praises again.

 

[Escobar]

Chill man, he makes some silly decisions - mostly his weirdly risky cross field passes which often lead to a counter but he's got a base level which is good enough to be a squad player minimum. This forum swings so wildly, if the team pays well overall I will bet suddenly people start singing his praises again.

He has always been like that and he is one reason why we struggle

 

[tomaldinho1]

He has always been like that and he is one reason why we struggle

Sometimes he makes poor choices, yes, not always. He's a good RB and a solid RWB, has a good attitude, physical characteristic and injury record. Like all of our players, if there was more cohesion and we were playing better, there'd be less criticism of him.

 

[FriedClams]

Sometimes he makes poor choices, yes, not always. He's a good RB and a solid RWB, has a good attitude, physical characteristic and injury record. Like all of our players, if there was more cohesion and we were playing better, there'd be less criticism of him.

Can you provide me with something to back up the claim he’s a solid RWB?

 

[Escobar]

Sometimes he makes poor choices, yes, not always. He's a good RB and a solid RWB, has a good attitude, physical characteristic and injury record. Like all of our players, if there was more cohesion and we were playing better, there'd be less criticism of him.

People tend to forget what a really good RB looks like. And there is no good club who would like to buy him. Too erratic, to mistake prone. Only positive is he is never injured

 

[tomaldinho1]

Can you provide me with something to back up the claim he’s a solid RWB?

Sure, let's look at him versus someone like Frimpong (very attacking RWB) and Munoz (converted RB into RWB). Bearing in mind it's not his position, he's doing well overall.

Passing wise, he beats them at everything, better completion rates across short, mid and long passes. Whilst also attempting more which makes it more impressive.
Tackling - has better success percentages than both
Dribbling - has better take on success than both of them, is also tackled less
Carries more than them both, better interception, better ball recoveries, vastly better in the air.

Where he is weak is in end product, where both Munoz/Frimpong will get a goal/assist every 3.5 games or so Dalot is way below on about one every 7.5 games. He makes more passes in the final third than them but then lags with key passes. It's worth saying this can change quickly, the actual goals/assists gap isn't huge + worth pointing out someone like Moses, widely seen as a superb conversion to RWB, only got 3G, 3A in a title winning Chelsea team.

For me the above is solid, there is an offensive area of weakness but generally he's outperforming two extremely good RWBs in a lot of key metrics.

 

[Golden Nugget]

He’s always available - which in this seasons squad, is a great asset.

His versatility is causing him issues - as I believe he’s a good right back, decent left back and right wing back - but poor left wing back - in which a lot of his poor performances this season have come from.

He’s a great player to have for the squad, and in an ideal world, he wouldn’t be starting week in week out, especially in positions he’s not comfortable in.

 

[Olecurls99]

Sure, let's look at him versus someone like Frimpong (very attacking RWB) and Munoz (converted RB into RWB). Bearing in mind it's not his position, he's doing well overall.

Passing wise, he beats them at everything, better completion rates across short, mid and long passes. Whilst also attempting more which makes it more impressive.
Tackling - has better success percentages than both
Dribbling - has better take on success than both of them, is also tackled less
Carries more than them both, better interception, better ball recoveries, vastly better in the air.

Where he is weak is in end product, where both Munoz/Frimpong will get a goal/assist every 3.5 games or so Dalot is way below on about one every 7.5 games. He makes more passes in the final third than them but then lags with key passes. It's worth saying this can change quickly, the actual goals/assists gap isn't huge + worth pointing out someone like Moses, widely seen as a superb conversion to RWB, only got 3G, 3A in a title winning Chelsea team.

For me the above is solid, there is an offensive area of weakness but generally he's outperforming two extremely good RWBs in a lot of key metrics.

Wow, but I was told they're brilliant and he's crap. Can somebody help me?

 

[FriedClams]

Sure, let's look at him versus someone like Frimpong (very attacking RWB) and Munoz (converted RB into RWB). Bearing in mind it's not his position, he's doing well overall.

Passing wise, he beats them at everything, better completion rates across short, mid and long passes. Whilst also attempting more which makes it more impressive.
Tackling - has better success percentages than both
Dribbling - has better take on success than both of them, is also tackled less
Carries more than them both, better interception, better ball recoveries, vastly better in the air.

Where he is weak is in end product, where both Munoz/Frimpong will get a goal/assist every 3.5 games or so Dalot is way below on about one every 7.5 games. He makes more passes in the final third than them but then lags with key passes. It's worth saying this can change quickly, the actual goals/assists gap isn't huge + worth pointing out someone like Moses, widely seen as a superb conversion to RWB, only got 3G, 3A in a title winning Chelsea team.

For me the above is solid, there is an offensive area of weakness but generally he's outperforming two extremely good RWBs in a lot of key metrics.

https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/Jeremie-Frimpong

This is what I want my RWB to play like.

 

[tomaldinho1]

https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/Jeremie-Frimpong

This is what I want my RWB to play like.

Mr Clam, you've asked a question and I have provided you a response. It would serve you well to have the manners to then accept it shows Dalot is, in fact, quite a solid RWB or argue your case against it.

 

[Zumbi]

Chill man, he makes some silly decisions - mostly his weirdly risky cross field passes which often lead to a counter but he's got a base level which is good enough to be a squad player minimum. This forum swings so wildly, if the team pays well overall I will bet suddenly people start singing his praises again.

It’s not a case of this forum swinging wildly - some of us have never rated him that highly.

 

[FriedClams]

Mr Clam, you've asked a question and I have provided you a response. It would serve you well to have the manners to then accept it shows Dalot is, in fact, quite a solid RWB or argue your case against it.

It’s a simple question of what you consider to be the role of a RWB, and do you believe Dalot is satisfying enough of the prerequisites?

My interpretation of the role (at least what Amorim is trying to do/has done previously) is that the wing backs are one of, if not the key component to make the system work. Alonso at leverkusen last year is the perfect example of what you want your wing backs to do, I believe between them Grimaldo and frimpong had more than 50 goal contributions. I believe Grimaldo had more goal contributions last season than Dalot has had in his career (though I may be wrong on that but it’s at least very close). Dalot doesn’t exert the characteristics of the position, you very rarely even see players knock the ball in front of him to run on to because he always stops to receive it instead of moving in to space. His play is a huge reason why we can’t progress up the park quickly (one of the whole points of the 3421) and he starts every single game. He’s won the lottery getting so many appearances at a club like ours.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It’s a simple question of what you consider to be the role of a RWB, and do you believe Dalot is satisfying enough of the prerequisites?

My interpretation of the role (at least what Amorim is trying to do/has done previously) is that the wing backs are one of, if not the key component to make the system work. Alonso at leverkusen last year is the perfect example of what you want your wing backs to do, I believe between them Grimaldo and frimpong had more than 50 goal contributions. I believe Grimaldo had more goal contributions last season than Dalot has had in his career (though I may be wrong on that but it’s at least very close). Dalot doesn’t exert the characteristics of the position, you very rarely even see players knock the ball in front of him to run on to because he always stops to receive it instead of moving in to space. His play is a huge reason why we can’t progress up the park quickly (one of the whole points of the 3421) and he starts every single game. He’s won the lottery getting so many appearances at a club like ours.

You seem to be dodging the question. I never made any claim Dalot is as good as Frimpong, or even compared any other RWB but I showed you using FBref that's he's actually better than much more established RWBs in many key metrics. Would that not make him a solid option?

 

[FriedClams]

You seem to be dodging the question. I never made any claim Dalot is as good as Frimpong, or even compared any other RWB but I showed you using FBref that's he's actually better than much more established RWBs in many key metrics. Would that not make him a solid option?

I do believe in some of the underlying statistics, I haven’t done so but I imagine we could find players unknown to both of us who have better stats in a top 5 league for the role of a RWB, specifically the metrics you mentioned. I genuinely don’t believe he is a solid option moving forward, though it may be the case where if the rest of the team is more confident/set in the formation, he can take a few strides forward. I just don’t see it, his fbref stats paint him for what he is. In all the metrics that actually matter for him, his highest percentile is the 75th. That’s just not good enough for our club.

Seems like a lovely guy, but he offers so little in his role.

 

[The Hilton]

I think there's definitely some merit to the argument that he's exhausted - a lot of the mistakes he makes are quite sloppy, from wayward passes that should be simple, losing control of the ball under no pressure, lack of concentration at the back, etc.

Quite a few of his errors are the kind you'd expect towards the end of matches, when players are tired and mental fatigue makes simple things more difficult. The issue is that he's making these errors from the very start.

Another RWB needs to be a high priority for us, that way we have competition for him, but it also means he can have a rest, that will give us a better idea as to whether the sloppiness is an inherent part of his game.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I do believe in some of the underlying statistics, I haven’t done so but I imagine we could find players unknown to both of us who have better stats in a top 5 league for the role of a RWB, specifically the metrics you mentioned. I genuinely don’t believe he is a solid option moving forward, though it may be the case where if the rest of the team is more confident/set in the formation, he can take a few strides forward. I just don’t see it, his fbref stats paint him for what he is. In all the metrics that actually matter for him, his highest percentile is the 75th. That’s just not good enough for our club.

Seems like a lovely guy, but he offers so little in his role.

Surely this is an unfair way to judge him though, because it is ranking him versus full backs? He is not playing the role you are judging him against.

 

[Zumbi]

I think there's definitely some merit to the argument that he's exhausted - a lot of the mistakes he makes are quite sloppy, from wayward passes that should be simple, losing control of the ball under no pressure, lack of concentration at the back, etc.

Quite a few of his errors are the kind you'd expect towards the end of matches, when players are tired and mental fatigue makes simple things more difficult. The issue is that he's making these errors from the very start.

Another RWB needs to be a high priority for us, that way we have competition for him, but it also means he can have a rest, that will give us a better idea as to whether the sloppiness is an inherent part of his game.

I don’t know, he’s always had braindead mistakes in his arsenal, both defensively and in attack.

 

[NZT-One]

You seem to be dodging the question. I never made any claim Dalot is as good as Frimpong, or even compared any other RWB but I showed you using FBref that's he's actually better than much more established RWBs in many key metrics. Would that not make him a solid option?

You sure, he has comparable stats in the take ons though?

Dalot has 1.74 progressive carries per 90, which puts him 43th perc. against Fullbacks. He has 0.76 successful takeons, 65th percentile against fullbacks
Frimpong has 4.38 progressive carries per 90 (98th perc against fullbacks, 73 against wingers). He has 1.08 successful takeons, (84th perc against fullbacks, 26th perc against wingers)

Dalot on days with his concentration fully there is probably a solid to good option at fullback. A good option quite surely when played in a system where he can invert and doesn't have to contribute anything to attack. But as a wingback, his inexisting threat for opposition defenders is a big issue. Same goes mostly for Mazraoui as well. Probably even Shaw.

It is going to be a long day for the discussion as there is no common definition for what constitutes a "solid" option. And also not for what the key attributes of a wingbacks are. My personal take is that United suffers for years from not having any threat in widespaces other than the wingers who mostly weren't a threat either. And for me that is down to neglecting attacking output.

 

[FriedClams]

Surely this is an unfair way to judge him though, because it is ranking him versus full backs? He is not playing the role you are judging him against.

I can’t see a way on there to measure him v wing backs?

It’s not his fault, he can’t play RCB (seriously not sure why people suggest this, he’d be such a liability there) so the only option was one of the wing back slots but on the left or right, he just doesn’t have the skill for it. Im not sure if people quite understand the importance of the wing backs in this system, if we took the rwb/LWB from leverkusen or Atalanta you would immediately see a change in our attacking play. Dalot has had long enough to learn the principles of the role (they are the same on either side) and he can’t do it. He’ll be a handy sub to have due to availability and that’s about as good as he should expect. The wing backs need to affect the attacking play, and pin the opposition back, he doesn’t do that, ever. I doubt an opposition full back is overly concerned coming up against him.

 

[tomaldinho1]

You sure, he has comparable stats in the take ons though?

Dalot has 1.74 progressive carries per 90, which puts him 43th perc. against Fullbacks. He has 0.76 successful takeons, 65th percentile against fullbacks
Frimpong has 4.38 progressive carries per 90 (98th perc against fullbacks, 73 against wingers). He has 1.08 successful takeons, (84th perc against fullbacks, 26th perc against wingers)

Dalot on days with his concentration fully there is probably a solid to good option at fullback. A good option quite surely when played in a system where he can invert and doesn't have to contribute anything to attack. But as a wingback, his inexisting threat for opposition defenders is a big issue. Same goes mostly for Mazraoui as well. Probably even Shaw.

It is going to be a long day for the discussion as there is no common definition for what constitutes a "solid" option. And also not for what the key attributes of a wingbacks are. My personal take is that United suffers for years from not having any threat in widespaces other than the wingers who mostly weren't a threat either. And for me that is down to neglecting attacking output.

Why would you not put them against each other and have one versus FB (Dalot has not been playing FB since Amorim came in bar like 10mins one game). if we are talking about WBs, why don't we compare WBs?

 

[The Hilton]

You sure, he has comparable stats in the take ons though?

Dalot has 1.74 progressive carries per 90, which puts him 43th perc. against Fullbacks. He has 0.76 successful takeons, 65th percentile against fullbacks
Frimpong has 4.38 progressive carries per 90 (98th perc against fullbacks, 73 against wingers). He has 1.08 successful takeons, (84th perc against fullbacks, 26th perc against wingers)

Dalot on days with his concentration fully there is probably a solid to good option at fullback. A good option quite surely when played in a system where he can invert and doesn't have to contribute anything to attack. But as a wingback, his inexisting threat for opposition defenders is a big issue. Same goes mostly for Mazraoui as well. Probably even Shaw.

It is going to be a long day for the discussion as there is no common definition for what constitutes a "solid" option. And also not for what the key attributes of a wingbacks are. My personal take is that United suffers for years from not having any threat in widespaces other than the wingers who mostly weren't a threat either. And for me that is down to neglecting attacking output.

I picked up on this too, progressive carries favoured Frimpong heavily. Dalot actually carries the ball more, but they aren't progressive, and he has fewer carries into the final 3rd and much fewer into the penalty area. Frimpong receives a lot more progressive passes too.

The passing stats need context too, as the types of passes each are playing are quite different - Frimpong is playing more key passes, crosses, passes that lead to shots, whereas Dalot is taking more throw-ins, dead ball passes. Dalot is playing more passes in general, but he's clearly less of a threat, most likely as he's playing further back.

Both of the above, and the other stats in general, point to Dalot playing much further back and not getting forward enough in comparison. A few other examples; Dalot does more tackling, but Frimpong has more tackles in the final 3rd, Frimpong has more shot creating actions, Frimpong is committing much fewer and drawing many more fouls.

These stats are all per 90 minutes, and based on this season (which is Frimpong's worst over the past few years in a lot of these stats). All things considered, Frimpong's superiority in the position seems clear cut.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I can’t see a way on there to measure him v wing backs?

It’s not his fault, he can’t play RCB (seriously not sure why people suggest this, he’d be such a liability there) so the only option was one of the wing back slots but on the left or right, he just doesn’t have the skill for it. Im not sure if people quite understand the importance of the wing backs in this system, if we took the rwb/LWB from leverkusen or Atalanta you would immediately see a change in our attacking play. Dalot has had long enough to learn the principles of the role (they are the same on either side) and he can’t do it. He’ll be a handy sub to have due to availability and that’s about as good as he should expect. The wing backs need to affect the attacking play, and pin the opposition back, he doesn’t do that, ever. I doubt an opposition full back is overly concerned coming up against him.

You just have to select them manually. Clearly no one is saying we wouldn't rather have Frimpong, the whole issue we have right now is Amorim needs wingers in those roles, but you asked me to show proof of him being 'solid' and I feel I have done that given he's basically just as good in many areas, better in the more defensive ones and weaker in the attacking ones.

 

[NZT-One]

Why would you not put them against each other and have one versus FB (Dalot has not been playing FB since Amorim came in bar like 10mins one game). if we are talking about WBs, why don't we compare WBs?

Fbref doesn't offer wingbacks as far as I know. Frimpong is also compared to fullbacks which probably favors him in terms of attacking stats but hinders him in terms of defensive ones. The percentiles aren't as important though as long we have the actual numbers. And those show Frimpong to have almost 3 times as much carries as Dalot. Dalots stats in those regards are average at best, which was often the criticism towards him as a fullback. The new role of wingback highlights that deficiency even more since the lack of it now happens at a position that is even a little more key to the system than the Fullback is to modern systems.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Fbref doesn't offer wingbacks as far as I know. Frimpong is also compared to fullbacks which probably favors him in terms of attacking stats but hinders him in terms of defensive ones. The percentiles aren't as important though as long we have the actual numbers. And those show Frimpong to have almost 3 times as much carries as Dalot. Dalots stats in those regards are average at best, which was often the criticism towards him as a fullback. The new role of wingback highlights that deficiency even more since the lack of it now happens at a position that is even a little more key to the system than the Fullback is to modern systems.

You can choose them manually to compare, so you can select any 5 or so players specifically. I think we can agree we might as well compare Dalot to as many RWBs as possible for this to be as accurate as possible?

 

[NZT-One]

You just have to select them manually. Clearly no one is saying we wouldn't rather have Frimpong, the whole issue we have right now is Amorim needs wingers in those roles, but you asked me to show proof of him being 'solid' and I feel I have done that given he's basically just as good in many areas, better in the more defensive ones and weaker in the attacking ones.

This point is valid to a degree but solid can be tricky term in itself. If you have a striker, who isn't scoring goals nor occupying defenders nor having intricate passing but is very good at defending set pieces - would that striker be a solid option as a striker? Probably not. Obviously that example is hyperbole but to me, thats the point of the discussion. Dalot is a solid player, has very good physicality, usually decent technique and is mostly available but can he be a solid option when due to his deficiencies the system takes quite a hit?

 

[Ali Dia]

I fancy him to have a stormer and put one on a plate for Rasmus tomorrow.

 

[NZT-One]

You can choose them manually to compare, so you can select any 5 or so players specifically. I think we can agree we might as well compare Dalot to as many RWBs as possible for this to be as accurate as possible?

If we want to be even more specific we'd have to compare not the last 365 days but only the ones of Amorims reign. Potentially that makes Dalot look even less good since it is a pretty visible downward trend with him since then. But generally yes - best case we should compare players on the right side and in the right position. How many games has Dalot had at RWB? Can't be that many as he played a lot at LWB. Back then some people said it would be better when he switches flanks but in the couple of opportunities I don't remember anything to be optimistic here.
I am probably not the ideal person to talk to on this since I am critical of Dalot from the get go. I've never seen anything that would suggest, that he has potential to be anything above a decent to good player on good days. But I certainly agree to the one poster who said that the lack of options in the team forced him in a situation that brought out a lot of bad things on him.

 

[Irwin99]

Sure, let's look at him versus someone like Frimpong (very attacking RWB) and Munoz (converted RB into RWB). Bearing in mind it's not his position, he's doing well overall.

Passing wise, he beats them at everything, better completion rates across short, mid and long passes. Whilst also attempting more which makes it more impressive.
Tackling - has better success percentages than both
Dribbling - has better take on success than both of them, is also tackled less
Carries more than them both, better interception, better ball recoveries, vastly better in the air.

Where he is weak is in end product, where both Munoz/Frimpong will get a goal/assist every 3.5 games or so Dalot is way below on about one every 7.5 games. He makes more passes in the final third than them but then lags with key passes. It's worth saying this can change quickly, the actual goals/assists gap isn't huge + worth pointing out someone like Moses, widely seen as a superb conversion to RWB, only got 3G, 3A in a title winning Chelsea team.

For me the above is solid, there is an offensive area of weakness but generally he's outperforming two extremely good RWBs in a lot of key metrics.

Good post. I'm the first to admit that I've been very inconsistent with my view on Dalot down the years and he does really annoy me at times, but he has some clear qualities that I think people don't recognize. When he does stupid things like that open goal miss earlier in the season, completely being lost for Liverpools opening goal at OT, or not squaring to Hojlund against Sociedad recently it just feels like deja vu though.

 

[tomaldinho1]

This point is valid to a degree but solid can be tricky term in itself. If you have a striker, who isn't scoring goals nor occupying defenders nor having intricate passing but is very good at defending set pieces - would that striker be a solid option as a striker? Probably not. Obviously that example is hyperbole but to me, thats the point of the discussion. Dalot is a solid player, has very good physicality, usually decent technique and is mostly available but can he be a solid option when due to his deficiencies the system takes quite a hit?

Yeah I guess solid for me is essentially he can do the role to an average level consistently and isn't a liability (like Dalot himself at LWB) for example is in my opinion. Basically players we are happy to have in the squad for a combination of cost/age/ability but can clearly be upgraded upon i.e. not Casemiro, this season not Hojlund, arguably Onana etc.

On your second point - yes it gets hard as the reality is he's also played a lot on his weaker side but also because I do think the BL is a level below the PL overall, the comparison to Munoz is probably better as both play PL and play RWB (and even that doesn't take into account Munoz plays in a way more direct system and likely is instructed to cross a lot more and feed a very quick front three way more). Very bird's eye view though, when you stack him with the other 2 I did, he wasn't as crap as I think people assume he would be.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Good post. I'm the first to admit that I've been very inconsistent with my view on Dalot down the years and he does really annoy me at times, but he has some clear qualities that I think people don't recognize. When he does stupid things like that open goal miss earlier in the season, completely being lost for Liverpools opening goal at OT, or not squaring to Hojlund against Sociedad recently it just feels like deja vu though.

I think it's also that we've just been struggling so much as a team, we were in relegation form until recently, so I would imagine most of our players will have worse stats right now form their time under Amorim vs their actual level. Hopefully they are getting more familiar with the system and we see a gradual uptick now towards the seasons end which I think will leave everyone a lot more positive about the future.

 

[FriedClams]

You just have to select them manually. Clearly no one is saying we wouldn't rather have Frimpong, the whole issue we have right now is Amorim needs wingers in those roles, but you asked me to show proof of him being 'solid' and I feel I have done that given he's basically just as good in many areas, better in the more defensive ones and weaker in the attacking ones.

I think solid would suggest positive, and this season especially, Dalot cannot possibly be painted that way?