He tries but it just ain't good enough. He has to be a sub option only.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) celebrate a fantastic victory as Manchester United won 2-0 in the Derby. They celebrate the changes Carrick has made, discuss our new coaching team and find time to play a Stupid Game. Enjoy!
Guess that all comes down to how you see him. Either, he is a mediocre player with one good to very good season. Or he is a good player with many reasons not to have performed accordingly. 1st option is a tad more plausible since there was never a real wow factor around him or a string of even one or two games where you could have said "wow, if thats the level he gets too, we might be onto something". He was, at best, a steady performer. But even in the season he has been one of the better players, the overall level of the team wasn't great so it isn't as much praise.
Weird to say this after one of his better performances and when he's actually been in decent form.
Do you think he's good enough to start for us if we want to achieve anything of note?
Of course he is, we literally beat City in the FA cup with him starting.
That's one game. He's had two good seasons in his entire career. He's still a solid bench option because of his professionalism and versatility but he consistently has a mistake in him.
That's also shifting the goalposts. If he's good enough to start and win an FA cup final against City, he is not just a sub. You don't just win a league playing the same XI every week, he 100% has a place in our squad.
I can agree that Dalot might become never be that player and even with your first assessment as too long as passed now since that 'good season' but the bolded is something I would disagree on. Unless your standard of 'wow' is prime TAA, Robertson, Walker, Marcelo, Alaba then yeah sure, otherwise he definitely had lots of wow moments and plenty of games where he showed quite a complete all round ability for a full back; enough to think 'if he keeps this up, he could become a good net positive' conditions permitting, for a good team. That obviously hasn't happened and doesn't look likely going forward but I wouldn't look back at that period as anything less despite the overall level of the team. In fact, I would say he played well in spite of the level of the team, which unfortunately is not unique to him.
Besides, my whole sentiment is not really 'he might have become a great player'. I'm more about 'he's been really shite no excuses, I'm sad he hasn't kept his level but also our managers have all been shite and don't properly platform the players at their disposal'.
Agreed. There is a good chance, that my expectation are pretty high in some sense. So I didn't expect him to deliver 2 games of prime Dani Alves, but I expected him to at least have 3 or 4 "wow" scenes throughout a game. And for me, he didn't really have that. But I have to be honest, I never really warmed towards him. I liked that we brought in a player that stuck out in youth tournaments but I always struggled to see it with him.
Wholeheartedly agree on this. I think we could have been a good bit further and with a few young players established as regulars by now if we had managed to prioritize better. I'll give it to the managers, their challenges were always pretty difficult, since we always had many players you could say "can be useful when applied correctly" but when you have 10 players like that that would need 10 different approaches, then stuff is difficult to land.
My personal feeling is that Dalot will stick with us on a similar trajectory as Shaw. Will never be the most prominent issue and always at least be a decent professional and "useful" option. I'd be fine with that, as long as it doesn't prevent bringing in players in his positions to take over potential starter spots.
So by your logic Onana is good enough.
That’s such fallacious reasoning.
So Antony who played and scored against Barcelona is good enough? Jadon Sancho who scored in a big win against Liverpool is good enough? Bayinder the hero of a shootout win against Arsenal…?
No, because my logic isn't solely that. I obviously simplified the logic to make the point he's not as shit as you're saying he is.
Again, I'm not a child, I obviously don't think that's the only reason as to why he's good enough to be part of our squad.
No, the original question was do you think we'll win anything of note with him starting - that's why we go to that. Dalot is a decent player and as I said deserves a place in our squad.
I see him as a good squad option. Not a starter but a decent squad player with good athletic atributes and some leadership qualities.
Don’t argue like one then.
I didn't, literally the sentence after was a completely measured response saying he deserves a space in our squad.
In the comment I replied to you don’t give a single other reason except for the final, you just said he deserved a place in our squad.
I'm sure when we first brought him in he was billed as a wing back.
Which makes him looking so limited at wing back feel even more painful.
Although when we not only put him at wingback - a very demanding position - and on the left side, we are expecting miracles really!
Which makes him looking so limited at wing back feel even more painful.
Although when we not only put him at wingback - a very demanding position - and on the left side, we are expecting miracles really!
Which was part of an exchange. If someone wants to imply we can't win anything of note with him starting, I'm obviously going to point to that. It's obviously not going to be my sole reasoning, but fine if you think that.
Wolves 1:4 Man Utd
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Now has the same offensive output in G/A as Amad this season in the league.
One of our best performances from wingback that wasnt by Amad. Made good runs, had a reasonable effort that was saved and the next one he put a goal on a plate for Mbeumo
Surprisingly good performance, excellent assist, could have scored
Making some good runs in the last couple of games and actually looking like a wingback. Fair play.
Two decent to good games right after another, well done.
Another solid performance
Confusing player. Is he good or not? He can play football but he does it so poorly sometimes. Quick, strong, ok passer, decent aerially and can use both feet reasonably well.... Dalot shouldn't be putting out some of the poor performances we've seen from him. He's capable of much more.
The pendulum is swinging towards him being the clear preferred LWB option.
Did well for Mbeumos goal with the run and assist, nearly scored himself and nearly set Cunha up with a great cross outside of his foot.
He’s somehow our best LWB.
He’s somehow our best LWB.
As I’ve said numerous times on here, he can actually play football in contrast to Dorgu.
Problem is consistency and stupid mistakes/lack on concentration.
Problem is consistency and stupid mistakes/lack on concentration.
Well this and playing this version of Wolves obviously helps a lot too.
Yeah, I’m not getting carried away but his form’s been trending in the right direction recently.
He’ll probably cost us a goal or two in the next few games then
Trend is solidifying, thats for sure. Lets see how he fares in the next two games, those will be more interesting.Yeah, I’m not getting carried away but his form’s been trending in the right direction recently.
He’ll probably cost us a goal or two in the next few games then
He is a better attacker than Dorgu but his defending is much worse, we need a mixture of the two.
Someone like prime Marcelo
Another surprisingly decent game from him, quality of the opposition aside.
We've needed it with how Dorgu has been looking lately, too.
We've needed it with how Dorgu has been looking lately, too.
Agreed, I thought he played well tonight.
Still can't stop a cross and offers nothing in attack.
Otherwise he's doing alright
Otherwise he's doing alright
Very adventurous performance. Was thrilled to see him make that extra pass to Mbeumo. Our players never seem to square it for open goals or when they do they feck it up.
Him being right footed and not a dribbler doesn’t help
Him not being very good at football doesn't help.