Disrespecting the class of 92

Bright_Eyes said:
Til he sends it back if we hire the "wrong" manager
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He's one of the local lads who hates city above everyone else. Think scholes is the same. He doesn't like the man city influence, it's up to him really isn't it.

And like I said, he's done more for the club than we ever will as an entire forum. Can't dislike him or any of them.
 
My issue is just that they mostly all talk a lot of shite. I'm a fan of well constructed criticism, but what they give is too often superficial and old fashioned. They're put on air for low hanging entertainment rather than any real nuanced analysis and I can't be bothered with that. I just eye roll and move on when I see Scholes unconstructively slag off yet another manager early on in their tenure.
 
Moiraine said:
Class of 92 is the reason why Club has not moved forward.
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Damn right. There is a brilliant article on Skysports that illustrates the ridicullus takes of our ex players living still in that Fergie nostalgia.
 
If United play well and won they wouldn't have anything to say truth is we've been more shit than good for a decade and some fans just can't take that, as for the nuanced analysis and what not there are plenty of outlets that peddle that stuff of you don't like the way these lads do it
 
I've not read all the pages on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned...

But you generally don't see the Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea "legends" slagging off their clubs every week, and those teams I mentioned have all gone through similar unsuccessful periods.

I'm sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Henry, Vieira would of said a few negative quotes now and then, but the sheer amount of waffle from the United group is constant, and they are literally now making a second career out of slagging United off to anyone that will pay them.
 
Don’t think there’s too much disrespect for their playing prowess, although you could say they were lucky to have played under Fergie
As pundits, most of them can feck off
 
Moiraine said:
Class of 92 is the reason why Club has not moved forward.
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That’s a hell of a statement considering the money spent and the managers hired who ended up underperforming. I’d say someone as clueless and incompetent as Woodward (& the Glazers) have been an infinite bigger reason than the CO’92 - in addition to managers (who were backed) and players, being the reason we’ve not moved forward. But each to their own.
 
Moiraine said:
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100%, or rather they keep adding fuel to the fire. Whilst they have the media punditry landscape locked down they are mouths for hire. Outside of Keane who had moderate success, the rest have hardly ventured into football (from a management perspective) and done anything good of note. Owning Salford and it seemingly being a manager turnstile doesn't help their cause

But it's honestly not just them, though they are the worst. It's almost anybody from the Fergie era who one hand keep saying he was rightfully a genius/one off but on the other saying we need someone like him

We as fans I think understand the situation better now than 5 years ago but these guys haven't. They will forever bad mouth any manager that's not an old pal or unless they are winning every game
 
RuudTom83 said:
I've not read all the pages on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned...

But you generally don't see the Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea "legends" slagging off their clubs every week, and those teams I mentioned have all gone through similar unsuccessful periods.

I'm sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Henry, Vieira would of said a few negative quotes now and then, but the sheer amount of waffle from the United group is constant, and they are literally now making a second career out of slagging United off to anyone that will pay them.
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I think you are onto it there. They are, literally, making a second carreer out of it.
 
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Moiraine said:
Class of 92 is the reason why Club has not moved forward.
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Moiraine said:
Class of 92 is the reason why Club has not moved forward.
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So we have the right to criticize the club but they don't. You make no sense. The class of 92 will forever be remembered. I have met a few of them socially they are United through and through. They are not running our shit show of a club they don't organize then postpone protests they say it as it is. Next you will blame the 1968 team
 
Ish said:
That’s a hell of a statement considering the money spent and the managers hired who ended up underperforming. I’d say someone as clueless and incompetent as Woodward (& the Glazers) have been an infinite bigger reason than the CO’92 - in addition to managers (who were backed) and players, being the reason we’ve not moved forward. But each to their own.
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They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
 
Ish said:
That’s a hell of a statement considering the money spent and the managers hired who ended up underperforming. I’d say someone as clueless and incompetent as Woodward (& the Glazers) have been an infinite bigger reason than the CO’92 - in addition to managers (who were backed) and players, being the reason we’ve not moved forward. But each to their own.
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Agreed the notion people in the media are to blame for Ten Hag playing no midfield, Amorim playing whatever the hell he was playing, Ole being promoted to manager, Jose melting down at the board and Moyes being Moyes is anything to do with any of our former players is plainly ridiculous
 
Moiraine said:
They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
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They were correct about all the managers they have been shit otherwise they'd still be in a job
 
Moiraine said:
They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
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What a lot of nonsense. What are we suggesting, that we should be shutting down every outlet that writes something mean about us? We're supposed to be the biggest club in the world, there's always going to be noise. If our manager can't function because Paul Sholes says we're shite, we're in trouble. What do you think the media is like for Barca, Madrid, Milan, June etc.? And if you think Paul Scholes legacy is that he didn't do great for a couple of weeks at Oldham, maybe you didn't watch him playing.
 
Give your head a wobble. Class of 92 was Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Both Nevilles, Butt, Gillespie

5 of those players never criticise the club,Roy Keane was not a member of the class of 92. Scholes and Neville are working class lads made good, they can say what they wish, you are no way a united fan
Moiraine said:
They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
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Gavinb33 said:
They were correct about all the managers they have been shit otherwise they'd still be in a job
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Still ill said:
What a lot of nonsense. What are we suggesting, that we should be shutting down every outlet that writes something mean about us? We're supposed to be the biggest club in the world, there's always going to be noise. If our manager can't function because Paul Sholes says we're shite, we're in trouble. What do you think the media is like for Barca, Madrid, Milan, June etc.? And if you think Paul Scholes legacy is that he didn't do great for a couple of weeks at Oldham, maybe you didn't watch him playing.
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Both these, basically.
 
I think it is just reflective of the media landscape.

Great players for great clubs are well recognised so drive clicks, comments and shares which ultimately drive advertising revenue, which all media outlets need as they are struggling.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including ex players, but it's the clickbait stuff I hate.

Personally I listen to a lot more fan owned/run media when it comes to United, e.g. podcasts.

Except goldbridge. Never listen to him .
 
If you try to move/walk forward, but continually look back over your shoulder (i.e to the class of 92), then inevitably you will fall flat on your face. The club and its fans have done that quite a lot since SAF resigned, and with almost military precision e.g. every time a new manager comes in.

Much has been made of the clubs 'DNA' and what that actually means. For me its always summed up in the words of our anthem ..."Glory, Glory, Man United..." we seek to win silverware and entertain at the same time.

We are the definitive "Glory Seekers".

Lets stop looking back..... we have not had to place any large orders of Goddard's silver polish for a long time.
 
Moiraine said:
They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
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Yeah - bolded bit... sorry mate, they are around 50 years old. I think you will find that you are not a dinosaur at that age, and on top of that, they have been part of football as long as they have live and continue to be. They know more about football than the CAF combined.

I try not to attack the poster, but this really is utter drivel, so I'll backtrack and say this post is utter drivel, as was your last.
 
Moiraine said:
They weren’t happy with any manager. Scholes in particular thinks he knows best and criticizes literally everything. They think they are the guardian and protectors of Clubs philosophy and the so called DNA. No they are not. What they did to LVG with “its Sideways possession boring style of football”. and Mourinho, and Amorim, it is absolutely disgusting.

Truth is they are dinosaurs and football has evolved considerably. They just want to keep them relevant in the media with their outbursts and give a …. about the club. Look at their own managerial careers, all failed miserably and now they have the audacity to go after every manager United hires (except for their pal Ole). They should realise and be told Club isn’t their property, they were just players who played for the Club, got paid, made their names, now move the feck on and leave the Club.

There is a massive failure on part of United’s Media and PR team as well. Literally every shite outlet goes on to publish pile of garbage whatever they want and associate stores with the Club. They are left without contested, warnings or actions against them. I compare it to City and their media team, they take everyone head on, literally confront every single article mentioning their club and you can see their are hardly anything written against them in media. We on the other hand are continuously targeted by our own legends. Their actual contributions to the Club after retirement is absolute zero. Running football clubs, managing hotels, making a life on mainstream media because of the fame they got being a United player, that is what their legacy is.
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I agree with this totally! (except I thought LVG's team was unwatchable).

Also, can I say that every time "Glazers Out" rears its ugly head, I think that means that the good ole boys are struggling for turf?
 
I don't see a lot wrong with what they say. They care about the club and express their opinions, sometimes in an emotive way that may seem over the top. But that's no different to football fans of any club. That's one of the great things about football, and sport in general, isn't it? It makes people feel passionate, which brings out pure joy when your team wins, and brings out rage when they don't.

For me the bigger annoyance than the class of 92 having an opinion, is insecure folk on here constantly moaning about them and slagging them off

I mean, we've been managed appallingly for over a decade from top to bottom, so why the hell wouldn't their opinions of United largely be negative?
 
They are an issue. To deny that fact is ridiculous given multiple managers have referenced their voices reaching the dressing room. Even if you personally can't understand how media noise would make a difference, it clearly does to some degree.

Neville is in a league of his own though, without him the others don't have much influence in my opinion. If you want to see the person he is just watch that clip of him getting battered on HIGNFY where his response to their points about going to Qatar is to giggle. When you make Richard Madeley look like a moral beacon you're doing something wrong.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
I don't see a lot wrong with what they say. They care about the club and express their opinions, sometimes in an emotive way that may seem over the top. But that's no different to football fans of any club. That's one of the great things about football, and sport in general, isn't it? It makes people feel passionate, which brings out pure joy when your team wins, and brings out rage when they don't.

For me the bigger annoyance than the class of 92 having an opinion, is insecure folk on here constantly moaning about them and slagging them off

I mean, we've been managed appallingly for over a decade from top to bottom, so why the hell wouldn't their opinions of United largely be negative?
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No one is saying they shouldn't or can't have those opinions privately. They're saying it's unhelpful for them to platform those opinions as it assists negative narratives.

Most ex-players of other clubs remain largely positive in the media, even when Liverpool were shit that lot would try spin a positive narrative.

I think it's clear our legends have disassociated from the club and their opinions come from a place of almost sneering superiority. Not saying they don't care, they just don't feel sufficiently part of it. That might be on the club.
 
RuudTom83 said:
I've not read all the pages on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned...

But you generally don't see the Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea "legends" slagging off their clubs every week, and those teams I mentioned have all gone through similar unsuccessful periods.

I'm sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Henry, Vieira would of said a few negative quotes now and then, but the sheer amount of waffle from the United group is constant, and they are literally now making a second career out of slagging United off to anyone that will pay them.
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Back then, we called those ex-Liverpool players out for being deluded - the fact a club was once on top doesn't mean they are always going to be a top club capable of winning the league.

These old United players are simply describing the state of the club as they see it, and people apparently don't like it.

When you know what the club is like on the inside, and not just as an outside observer who only sees as far as the performances on the pitch and the interviews with the management, it's remarkably easy to be critical and point out all the negatives.
 
decorativeed said:
These old United players are simply describing the state of the club as they see it, and people apparently don't like it.
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On a weekly basis, twice weekly if United have a mid-week game. I often wonder what do they expect to have change between match to match.

But of course it comes down to personal taste, you seem to have no issue with them.

Personally I find myself skipping a video if I see the class of 92 in the thumbnail or scrubbing past the video when Gary opens his mouth.

They are so over exposed at this point that you already know what they are going to say.
 
The biggest problem of the class of '92 is not them criticizing the club. That's natural, they are fans like us and it would be weird if they were anything but critical of the state we've been in. My problem is with the analysis they give on what is wrong and how it should be instead. That's when it becomes dangerous and harmful. We are talking about a generation of players who are particularly insular. You see the Spanish and Italians or Germans who played for successful teams in the past and they go travel, explore new ideas, learn new systems and ways of doing things. Our lot showed zero interest in that, they don't want to learn anything past '90s Sir Alex, United, PL and their analysis is simply a version of why it isn't still like that and how it should go back to that. The things we liked about them as players in terms of never showing any interest to leave and basically signing whatever contract we offered them are the very things that meant their footballing intellect has been stuck in the '90s and refused to evolve to give us anything more substantial than what your average pub goer in Manchester can say. They have a platform and a lot of people listen to them and their populist views and it's becoming clearer with every manager we go through, that this does affect our decision makers. They want them on their side and are concerned about the backlash their decisions get if not supported by the class of '92. It's a very vicious cycle.
 
Moiraine said:
Class of 92 is the reason why Club has not moved forward.
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They are not. They're influence is quite limited actually. The reason we haven't moved forward is a combination of a weak board and romantic fans. We've only had 2 successful managers in our history, who both stayed for long periods of time. Due to the success, our fans naturally elevate manager's to demagogues without them needing to raise a finger. This also then means they are skeptical of players and executives who challenge the role or power of the manager. Backed up by a weak board where for years the owners had limited input and have very little knowledge of the sport (Glazers not Ineos), this has led to the board buying into fan sentiment and keeping poor managers for longer than they should. This has also led to them trying to avoid confrontation and when confrontation is unavoidable, pushing PR to avoid fan backlash.

No matter how bad the manager is and how bad their signings have been, for some reason, "noone is bigger than the club", actually means "noone is bigger than the manager". That's why the class of 92 is getting backlash right now. It's why Wilcox, despite doing his job, is getting backlash as well. INEOS' mistake has been to try to initially appease that sentiment as well, and its blown up in their faces quite dramatically. The key to success at this club right now, is being able to make right and unpopular decisions quickly not taking fans into consideration. INEOS made the right move in doing this for non-football related issues, but have been too soft in their approach regarding the football side.
 
I sometimes think there's a wider problem in general with a lot of British football pundit types wherein we become so used to them coming out with half-baked opinions that we forget how good they were as players and they start to lose the aura they may have once had.

The Sky Sports Soccer Saturday crowd felt like a bit of a joke by the time they shook it up even though all of them, by rights, were very good footballers in their day.
 
I'd say the class of 92 are less than 1% of a reason for our mess. I've no idea why people are obsessed with them. They're all pundits, they're hardly going to say we're great, we're not.
 
RuudTom83 said:
On a weekly basis, twice weekly if United have a mid-week game. I often wonder what do they expect to have change between match to match.

But of course it comes down to personal taste, you seem to have no issue with them.

Personally I find myself skipping a video if I see the class of 92 in the thumbnail or scrubbing past the video when Gary opens his mouth.

They are so over exposed at this point that you already know what they are going to say.
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They're pundits. Paid for their opinion. Do you expect them to turn up for work and say nothing while retaining the gig? Or would you prefer they pretend everything is great?
 
They're a product of their environment. We had standards set forth by Sir Alex and it was drilled into them by the manager and players like Robson, Bruce, Pallister and Cantona when they were coming through and passed those same standards on to the next generation. Wayne Rooney wasn't the Class of 92 and he shares the same opinion as them when he speaks about us in the media. I would bet any money if you asked Nani, Valencia, Chicharito or Anderson their opinion on current day United they'd say it's not good enough as well.

They may be stuck in the 90's tactically, but having a winning mentality and standards is not a thing of the past.
 
decorativeed said:
They're pundits. Paid for their opinion. Do you expect them to turn up for work and say nothing while retaining the gig? Or would you prefer they pretend everything is great?
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:rolleyes: ahh, what a great point.

Maybe there are more than the 2 options you mentioned, but let's leave it, you are happy to listen to them and I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise. Enjoy.
 
tjb said:
They are not. They're influence is quite limited actually. The reason we haven't moved forward is a combination of a weak board and romantic fans. We've only had 2 successful managers in our history, who both stayed for long periods of time. Due to the success, our fans naturally elevate manager's to demagogues without them needing to raise a finger. This also then means they are skeptical of players and executives who challenge the role or power of the manager. Backed up by a weak board where for years the owners had limited input and have very little knowledge of the sport (Glazers not Ineos), this has led to the board buying into fan sentiment and keeping poor managers for longer than they should. This has also led to them trying to avoid confrontation and when confrontation is unavoidable, pushing PR to avoid fan backlash.

No matter how bad the manager is and how bad their signings have been, for some reason, "noone is bigger than the club", actually means "noone is bigger than the manager". That's why the class of 92 is getting backlash right now. It's why Wilcox, despite doing his job, is getting backlash as well. INEOS' mistake has been to try to initially appease that sentiment as well, and its blown up in their faces quite dramatically. The key to success at this club right now, is being able to make right and unpopular decisions quickly not taking fans into consideration. INEOS made the right move in doing this for non-football related issues, but have been too soft in their approach regarding the football side.
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Yup. Spot on.
 
decorativeed said:
They're pundits. Paid for their opinion. Do you expect them to turn up for work and say nothing while retaining the gig? Or would you prefer they pretend everything is great?
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I expect them to be more aware and intelligent when forming their opinions. They have been on the inside, they know how clueless people on the outside are, old players and pundits included. Or tbh, I fon’t.
 
RuudTom83 said:
:rolleyes: ahh, what a great point.

Maybe there are more than the 2 options you mentioned, but let's leave it, you are happy to listen to them and I'm not interested in convincing you otherwise. Enjoy.
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I'll let you in on a little secret: I don't listen to any of them. I just don't have a ridiculous expectation of them to refrain from criticism when criticism is due.
 
RuudTom83 said:
I've not read all the pages on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned...

But you generally don't see the Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea "legends" slagging off their clubs every week, and those teams I mentioned have all gone through similar unsuccessful periods.

I'm sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Henry, Vieira would of said a few negative quotes now and then, but the sheer amount of waffle from the United group is constant, and they are literally now making a second career out of slagging United off to anyone that will pay them.
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Most of your mentioned players are not punduts
Maticmaker said:
If you try to move/walk forward, but continually look back over your shoulder (i.e to the class of 92), then inevitably you will fall flat on your face. The club and its fans have done that quite a lot since SAF resigned, and with almost military precision e.g. every time a new manager comes in.

Much has been made of the clubs 'DNA' and what that actually means. For me its always summed up in the words of our anthem ..."Glory, Glory, Man United..." we seek to win silverware and entertain at the same time.

We are the definitive "Glory Seekers".

Lets stop looking back..... we have not had to place any large orders of Goddard's silver polish for a long time.
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What a silly statement. Are we not supposed to look back at Sir Matt and the Busby Babes, or the Best, Law Charlton era, our stint in the old second division. Should the club replace the Munich tunnel and I mean naming stands after a world class player and manager i mean we will never look to the future acting like this. Every clubs supporters look back on their success and their great players.
 
RuudTom83 said:
I've not read all the pages on this thread, so not sure if it's been mentioned...

But you generally don't see the Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea "legends" slagging off their clubs every week, and those teams I mentioned have all gone through similar unsuccessful periods.

I'm sure the likes of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Henry, Vieira would of said a few negative quotes now and then, but the sheer amount of waffle from the United group is constant, and they are literally now making a second career out of slagging United off to anyone that will pay them.
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This is the party that we should rightly call out. It's fair to criticize even harshly but not cynically. And it feels like these guys are doing the latter for a pay check.
 
Desert Eagle said:
This is the party that we should rightly call out. It's fair to criticize even harshly but not cynically. And it feels like these guys are doing the latter for a pay check.
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This topic is hilarious, people on this forum continually slag off players, managers and the owners yet if a tv pundit critizeses all hell breaks loose. If you do not like them turn the channel over. As for doing it for a pay check, think they have enough cash to be going on with. Probably not as much as most of the present bunch of over paid players
 
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