We are only 4 games in and we can all agree Liverpool have been much improved from the back and in depth, whilst City have last seasons form to still scare us with - but will either of them be as big a force as City themselves were last season? I've seen all of a Liverpool's games so far and they were fortunate for 3 points against Palace , whilst not exactly blowing Leicester or Brighton away. I think they were riding their luck against Leicester more than we did for sure. If we had those performances against Leicester or Brighton (at home who are rubbish when not on their own ground) I think our fans would still complain about the way the match panned out. Liverpool still leak some big chances in average games and I wonder if their on field displays will live up to how their squad looks on paper. City meanwhile look ridiculously strong, but after watching Wolves I feel as though teams will have more of a go against them. Not every side will park the bus because they know it hardly works against Pep. I don't think theyl hit the tally they did last year so it's going to be an interesting view. But what's your thoughts? The media seem to hype the pair of them and ignore ourselves and even Chelsea. I wonder whether we will have another season where another big club will take the glory this year. Its only ourselves and Chelsea as the "other contenders".