When the large majority of the squad have improved and Martial has flattered to deceive under 3 managers, and also had his best season ever under Solskajer then yes.
Do we extend Ole's contract?
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Jonno
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We weren't in a title race last season.We were in a title race last season and was a decent GK away from winning a major trophy. They are some incredibly fine lines you're judging there
big rons sovereign
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You've been sending klopp nudes haven't you. Go on, admit it.No it's a stupid logic. Gram inherited a team that was dominating England for the previous 3 years, won 2 league titles out of those 3 and even the year they didn't win it in, they won the 2 domestic cups. Klopp inherited a shit team who finished 6th the previous season and transformed them into a CL finalist 2.5 years in. Tuchel got a team who last progressed past CL 16th round in 2014 and were 9th in the table when he got and made them CL champions in 6 months (and also got PSG into their first even CL final). To compare them to Grant who inherited one of the best English teams of the decade at this point is a terrible logic. Neither Tuchel nor Klopp were expected to win CL when they inherited their teams while this Chelsea side back then was screaming to reach a CL final and couldn't just take the final step in the semis the previous few years.
Meanwhile we're 2.5 years into Ole's reign and we're still giving excuses for why we can't beat Villareal in an EL final.
As for the money argument, you realize Klopp had to sell before he can buy right ? You realize that he sold Coutinho for 140m to be able to pay that much for VVD, Alisson and Keita, and once the money dried out they didn't spend shit last summer. Klopp first two summers at Liverpool had positive net spend :
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2017&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
It's after these 2 markets he was able to spend a lot in the next one on Alisson and Keita because of the incoming money from Coutinho business, then their next 2 summers are back to shit and barely spending.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2020&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
Klopp knew their budget and what to do and what to not. He spent his first 2 years buying decent players like Mane and Salah for less than 45m, built up their attack quite well so that they don't need Coutinho anymore, then sold him to Barca for 140m to fund enough money for the biggest problems in the squad : defense and GK. He wasn't getting money from the board's pockets and he didn't get a free chequebook. He just organized his budget and the money available for him.
Finally weird as usual to keep on signaling Daniel James as a problem when he's, guess what, one of Ole's signings. Similarly VDB.
Anyway, the board is giving Ole his 90m Sancho this summer so I hope the excuses finally stop next year.
Bobcat
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To be fair, Klopp (and Liverpool) were incredibly fortunate that Barca was stupid enough to give them that kind of money for Coutinho. In fact, giving Klopp any credit at all for that sale is not fair since hes not the one negotiating the dealsNo it's a stupid logic. Gram inherited a team that was dominating England for the previous 3 years, won 2 league titles out of those 3 and even the year they didn't win it in, they won the 2 domestic cups. Klopp inherited a shit team who finished 6th the previous season and transformed them into a CL finalist 2.5 years in. Tuchel got a team who last progressed past CL 16th round in 2014 and were 9th in the table when he got and made them CL champions in 6 months (and also got PSG into their first even CL final). To compare them to Grant who inherited one of the best English teams of the decade at this point is a terrible logic. Neither Tuchel nor Klopp were expected to win CL when they inherited their teams while this Chelsea side back then was screaming to reach a CL final and couldn't just take the final step in the semis the previous few years.
Meanwhile we're 2.5 years into Ole's reign and we're still giving excuses for why we can't beat Villareal in an EL final.
As for the money argument, you realize Klopp had to sell before he can buy right ? You realize that he sold Coutinho for 140m to be able to pay that much for VVD, Alisson and Keita, and once the money dried out they didn't spend shit last summer. Klopp first two summers at Liverpool had positive net spend :
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2017&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
It's after these 2 markets he was able to spend a lot in the next one on Alisson and Keita because of the incoming money from Coutinho business, then their next 2 summers are back to shit and barely spending.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2019&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
https://www.transfermarkt.com/liver.../31/plus/?saison_id=2020&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
Klopp knew their budget and what to do and what to not. He spent his first 2 years buying decent players like Mane and Salah for less than 45m, built up their attack quite well so that they don't need Coutinho anymore, then sold him to Barca for 140m to fund enough money for the biggest problems in the squad : defense and GK. He wasn't getting money from the board's pockets and he didn't get a free chequebook. He just organized his budget and the money available for him.
Finally weird as usual to keep on signaling Daniel James as a problem when he's, guess what, one of Ole's signings. Similarly VDB.
Anyway, the board is giving Ole his 90m Sancho this summer so I hope the excuses finally stop next year.
This isnt really relevant to Ole, but one of our biggest issues since Fergie retired have been how much money we have pissed away on transfers with little to show for it. Paying a premium for every incoming player and selling our own for peanuts
Eddy_JukeZ
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Title races typically don't end in February.We were in a title race last season and was a decent GK away from winning a major trophy. They are some incredibly fine lines you're judging there
crossy1686
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I vividly remember this place being quite excited about going into the final few games of the season only 7 points or so behind City and them dropping points for fun. Let's not re-write history because it doesn't fit a narrative anymore.Title races typically don't end in February.
Samid
He's no Bilal Ilyas Jhandir
Yes. /thread