That excuse has been peddled since are honeymoon period ended
It’s taken 3 games to suss out Ole tactics and he hasn’t changed since
Do we really need to sign Jadon Sancho to beat Palace?
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It’s taken 3 games to suss out Ole tactics and he hasn’t changed since
so what is it then Einstien? Given this exact squad was amazing 8 weeks ago.
Agreed
He came in after Mou with one tactic and it worked until teams spotted it, he didn’t have a plan b and we stood still
Bruno came in to bring a new quality, teams spotted, Ole again has no plan B and we are back to square one
The commentary was saying that crystal palace was targeting our weakest spots all game - RW, RB, & RCB.
Playing there was james, TFM and Lindelof.
So we might not need world class or promising players in every position to win - but not having them makes the opposition find it easier to identify a weakness either before or during the match and penetrate it consistently for 90+ mins.
I agree but are our players really much better than Palace? Goalkeeper and midfield yes but not sure about our wingers and our defenders. We United fans are very good at overrating our players!
Ole chose to start James on the right vs a low block defense when everyone knows he is useless vs a low block defense and more-so useless on the right.
Oh not this again.
There's not a single player in their team who gets in our 1st XI.
You can argue Zaha, but I'd rather have Greenwood over him.
We are closer to the Montpellier team than Liverpool and City. Damn I miss that city!
To be fair Montpellier is a better city than Liverpool too
.I can't believe this thread. Getting Sancho does not mean we win this. It's not 2+2=4. Getting Sancho would improve our chances, we could have still lost against palace with a similar dire performance. But we would have more options in our attack and more optimism and improved morale. We can't even play without any of our first choice attackers. How is that sustainable for a whole season.
They truly played some amazing football against Southampton and West ham those final games that nearly blew our top 4 chances didn't they? How are you even asking me to answer if you can't see for yourself how mediocre he is tactically? Just take today for an example what are dan james and fosu mensah doing ahead of greenwood and awb and why is he time and time again starting with lindelof when the guy can't defend feck all. As much as I don't rate Smalling why not give him a shot when lindelof is time and time again costing us points? It took him a year just to get lingard out of the team ffs.
Not only Sancho but another 2-3 starting players, we have an underwhelming coach so we need to have really superior players than our rivals to make up for it.
As long as the teams are balanced Ole will probably get outcoached and we will drop points.
As long as the teams are balanced Ole will probably get outcoached and we will drop points.
It wasn't just the right side. They were toying with our left side and centre backs all game, as well. Their forwards were having a great time strolling past Maguire and Lindelof.
there was a point in I think the first half when the ball fell to Dan James in the box and he blasted it at goal with three defenders in front of him when he should have squared it to rashford in space in front of goal, if sancho was in the same position he would have done it, so disappointed after today.
Sancho on the pitch doesn’t stop Lindelof (‘‘Ice Man’’ 
) being a useless wet wipe.
) being a useless wet wipe.Maybe they were even less match fit than the guys who played?
Rightly or wrongly, Smalling has been frozen out of the team for over a year and won't be re-integrated unless his fails to move this window.
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I've said it in the game thread already:
This is not about "not being match-fit" or our players being worse than the Palace players (they clearly aren't) .
We simply lack any kind of philosophy or great coaching.
Just look at the two sides, that have dominated the PL the last few years.
What do they have in common?
Two of the very best coaches in football, who have a vision/football philosophy, buy players that fit into their system and try to perfect said system year after year.
Heck, you can even look at Bayern. They were really poor under Kovac, seemingly had no clear plan and most of their players looked like they were over the hill.
Then they fired Kovac and hired Flick. Look at them now and how Flick has completely turned everything around, installed a clear philosophy (ultra aggressive pressing) and won the treble.
We are lacking any kind of philosophy or clear idea of how we actually want to play and what we want to stand for.
Seriously, can anyone tell me how we actually want to play? What is our personal "trademark style", that basically all top clubs have?
As long as we don't have that (that's on the manager), we can buy players all we want, we won't field a truly elite team.
This is not about "not being match-fit" or our players being worse than the Palace players (they clearly aren't) .
We simply lack any kind of philosophy or great coaching.
Just look at the two sides, that have dominated the PL the last few years.
What do they have in common?
Two of the very best coaches in football, who have a vision/football philosophy, buy players that fit into their system and try to perfect said system year after year.
Heck, you can even look at Bayern. They were really poor under Kovac, seemingly had no clear plan and most of their players looked like they were over the hill.
Then they fired Kovac and hired Flick. Look at them now and how Flick has completely turned everything around, installed a clear philosophy (ultra aggressive pressing) and won the treble.
We are lacking any kind of philosophy or clear idea of how we actually want to play and what we want to stand for.
Seriously, can anyone tell me how we actually want to play? What is our personal "trademark style", that basically all top clubs have?
As long as we don't have that (that's on the manager), we can buy players all we want, we won't field a truly elite team.
My friend forget about names or fitness or any other aspect this team under the right manager would never get trashed 3-1 against palace at home and it's not just the result as a matter of fact feck the result, it's the toothless spineless performance that's the issue here and if it was just an odd game or two I would 100% agree with you but we are seing these type of performances time and time again under Ole.
Just look back at last season, how many times did we witness this exact same shit? It's an enigma to me how some just can't see he's not good enough for the job but I suspect it's just about pride or something not wanting to blame him because of his status at the club.
No, our problem today was building play from the back.
I think you're missing the point. We've gone from having one of our most promising spells post Fergie, finally looking like we're going the right direction, to all of that momentum deflating like a burst balloon.
Theres a bad atmosphere around the club, and that was even before the game and a ball was kicked. That's not good enough. It's not just about intent on the pitch, but making a statement off of it. Instead of saying, "We're back in the CL, and we're here to stay", it fells more like we're becoming the Arsenal of the last 15 years.
We needed to build off of that momentum, instead we've had a shambles of a summer, and with incidences like Maguire, Greenwood and players like Matic and AWB in quarantine.
Theres a bad atmosphere around the club, and that was even before the game and a ball was kicked. That's not good enough. It's not just about intent on the pitch, but making a statement off of it. Instead of saying, "We're back in the CL, and we're here to stay", it fells more like we're becoming the Arsenal of the last 15 years.
We needed to build off of that momentum, instead we've had a shambles of a summer, and with incidences like Maguire, Greenwood and players like Matic and AWB in quarantine.
Love how supporters have this super unrealistic expectation that all sports professionals are super human and are exempt from normal expectations of fatigue and fitness.
YOU’RE A FOOTBALLER YOU SHOULD BE MATCH FIT AT A MOMENTS NOTICE, NOW GET ON THAT TREADMILL AND GIVE ME 20 MINS AT A 70 DEGREE INCLINE! - ALSO EAT THIS SALAD WHILE YOU’RE AT IT YOU LOOK A LIL CHUBBY!
OP question misses the point
If we’d signed Sancho, we’d have won. Even if he hadn’t played.
Players and everyone within the club wants to know it’s ambitious. There’s currently no ambition. It affects the mood
If we’d signed Sancho, we’d have won. Even if he hadn’t played.
Players and everyone within the club wants to know it’s ambitious. There’s currently no ambition. It affects the mood
Our problem now is that teams have realized we are strong offensively in the center but have piss poor fullbacks ...
So they crowd the center and provide the fullbacks space .. Liverpool had similar issues before..Robertson and Trent resolved them..We need to find a way to better this..Maybe Telles will help on the left..
So they crowd the center and provide the fullbacks space .. Liverpool had similar issues before..Robertson and Trent resolved them..We need to find a way to better this..Maybe Telles will help on the left..
No we absolutely do not.
The players need to take full responsibility for that shower tonight.
The players need to take full responsibility for that shower tonight.
So this is how far we have fallen from any semblance of reality,
I have to laugh. It's literally just one game into the season and you start of judging on a game to game basis. I swear I saw this same title previously after we lost to Newcastle. Whats the point in investing money into a better squad when you can fire a manager, get a fresh start and struggle to sell off previous buys. No.. The best way here is to keep deadwood, on the off chance that a new manager can get more out of them, do not invest in the squad, complain about the manager, sack him, get a new manager, change your mind to selling deadwood while investing in big money transfers or youth, struggle to sell deadwood, don't invest in the squad.... I see where this is going
Facts
Would boost the morale. Morale is the most important thing to a successful team.
There’s nothing to suggest United are trying to improve
No. And OP is assuming having Sancho would have made a difference today.
This has absolutely nothing to do with recruitment. We should have started pre-season early and be prepared for the new season, like everybody else.
They could have scored six, come on. We barely created a chance. Greenwood's header was the only one. Not sure why you're trying to spin it as some smash and grab: we were outplayed.
We're talking about MUFC, not Liverpool.
And you're right. To beat CP COMFORTABLY under the current regime, we'd need Messi, Sancho, Mbappe and Neymar.
Unfortunately a lot of fans don't want to accept the reality that the planning for this season has been a shambles.
People are trying to make excuses and making a point like they were right about what happen if we don't sign players.
In reality if we are full match fit today, the performance will be so much better than today, it's not about not signing players. We beat this guys 2-0 not long ago.
In reality if we are full match fit today, the performance will be so much better than today, it's not about not signing players. We beat this guys 2-0 not long ago.
I am the game.
We need other outlets. The surprise of Bruno is gone - press him hard (like Palace did) and our creativity is gone. We have also no width, fullbacks are not helping and our wide players
Most decent clubs around us have multiple creative paths. We are just so easy to defend against.
We just need to be less obvious. Sancho, or any decent RW (where we are especially short) could help us - plus a more attacking left back. feck Lindelof in a bin and get a more commanding centre back. That would help us possibly get a challenge for 3rd.
So much for this “man United in best placed position to do deals in transfer market post covid” - literally all top 7-8 clubs have outdone us in the market. So now we are further behind. Laughable.
Most decent clubs around us have multiple creative paths. We are just so easy to defend against.
We just need to be less obvious. Sancho, or any decent RW (where we are especially short) could help us - plus a more attacking left back. feck Lindelof in a bin and get a more commanding centre back. That would help us possibly get a challenge for 3rd.
So much for this “man United in best placed position to do deals in transfer market post covid” - literally all top 7-8 clubs have outdone us in the market. So now we are further behind. Laughable.
Luke Shaw has now come out and said we need players. Am I the only one who finds this completely fecking absurd? We finished 3rd last year, were top of the table from January onwards and reached 3 semi-finals and yet everyone including the actual playing squad have gone into the season with the belief that unless we spend 200m we’re completely screwed. It would never happen under Ferguson. In fact it doesn’t happen at any other fecking club. We’re basically Transfer FC - every year the whole summer seems to depend on the transfer window. The utter chaos and hysteria surrounding us is just mind boggling.
Sancho and better players will definitely help, but you can have Messi and Ronaldo, and we won’t win the title with this managerial team.
We are a total mess from the owners to the manager. Getting better players will make things a bit better, but to challenge we need much more than that.
We are a total mess from the owners to the manager. Getting better players will make things a bit better, but to challenge we need much more than that.
It hasn't really though has it.
First half of last season we were without a lot of players. Then we went on a run but were left exhausted after a packed schedule, a schedule we haven't had time to recover from nor time to prepare for the new season.
CP had about 6 games extra prep than us if i'm not mistaken.
Of course we are off the pace.
What has signing Sancho got to do with one match yesterday, unless we only had him for one game?
At least judge it as the season pans out.
If you swapped the preparations of Palace and United, do you think Palace still wins that game?
Some people are only here to stick the boot in after a poor performance. And seem to look forward to that opportunity.
This isn't being a supporter. This is opportunistic wankery, and it's killing this forum.
At least judge it as the season pans out.
If you swapped the preparations of Palace and United, do you think Palace still wins that game?
Some people are only here to stick the boot in after a poor performance. And seem to look forward to that opportunity.
This isn't being a supporter. This is opportunistic wankery, and it's killing this forum.
Not sure why it is so different for us, like I said every team has had it hard every team has been disrupted, break out the small violin
There is a cancer running through United, this “the United way” , no we need to find “A way” first, this idea Ole has of mediocre defenders playing champagne football out from the back is killing us.
Signing a young welsh winger hoping he’ll turn into a super star, hoping rashford will find another two month purple patch.
I think it shows we will need to out score teams this season with a cb seemingly not on the cards