Dominic Calvert-Lewin

BrilliantOrange said:
What are you on about? No-one is arguing Weghorst is a world class striker. No one mentions he is in the league of the NL strikers you mention such are RVP, RVN, Makaay, Hasselbaink, Van Hooijdonk.

The only thing @90THMIN... mentions is that you aren't doing Wout his carreer justice by downsizing it to one specific moment. And rightfully so... I've been to Turkye lately and Besiktas fans are raving about him. He is the 2nd all-time goalscorer for VFL Wolfsburg in just 3.5 season. He
has apart from the 2 goals vs Argentina scored a lot of very important goals for NL in the last years.

Also in your attempt of bashing you make a lot of questionable claims.
- You are trying to put words in someones mouth.. 'he is not a one carreer moment striker' -> 'Do you really think this would have happened in a completely different time in history when NL was fulled with world class strikers'
- 'Even Luuk de Jong'. Luuk de Jong is one of the best headers in the world. Struggled when he was young at Newcastle and BMG, but later in his carreer was very valuable for both Barcelona and Sevilla (3 goals in EL semi finale/final).
- What does the fact that NL has a missive dry spell in strikers at the moment have anything to do that Wout's carreer is more than just the single highlight of the World Cup game against Argentina?

I think you are indeed only remembering Wout by his time at United, where he was used as a starting striker and/or even a starting number 10. Which are both horrible decisions. On a higher level Wout is nothing more than a (very capable) supersub and pinch hitter. Thats how Ajax uses him very effectively and that's how NL has almost always used him very effectively.

If United would have used Wout in a similar fashion as we used McTominay in ETH his last full season, we would have used him to his strenths a lot more and Im quite sure memories about him would have been a lot more positive. Yet we used him as a starting striker, for which he is NOWHERE good enough.

And no-one argues he is, but he deserves a lot more credit than his carreed being downgraded to a single game where he scored to good and important goals at the highest level.

PS: I despise the egocentric dramaqueen this is Wout Weghorst
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90THMIN... said:
What has DCL done in his career? Weghorst scoring 2 last minutes goals versus Argentina at the quarter final of the world cup is better than anything DCL has done in his career!
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Does this look like your friend downsize Weghorst career to the moments or me? So I can’t debate what was brought out by the other? See for yourself that the topic was about those two goals in dying minutes of that game. I hope you’re not in position to referee or judge anything in life.

If ETH had that idea of using Weghorst as whatever you described here, Weghorst wouldn’t have been here and got to lift League Cup. Ronaldo left, Martial was rarely available. We needed a #9. McTominay would have taken care of McTominay role you described no? Why would we need a competition for McTominay? Clearly that 2 goals influenced the recruitment decision of ETH, who has questionable judgement on the players ability.

ETH rarely played McTominay to his strength to realize his full potential. Bringing out Weghorst full potential during his loan with us would have got us what exactly? It’s not like he was a roaring success returning to Bundesliga, and now at Ajax.

Edin Dzeko won Bundesliga with Wolfsburg, their first and only title and moved on to other things. He continued to win trophies at other clubs. That’s the type of memorable career for players who are not top class. You think players dream to come to Wolfsburg to become the club all time top scorer? Weghorst found his max level. He stayed long because no better clubs wanted him. Wolfsburg cashed in when his decline started. Only cultist mind would celebrate his type of career. The only trophy he had ever won was League Cup with us. That’s the luck he has been enjoying when he’s on the other side of his prime. Now Netherland NT & Ajax celebrated mediocrity? His one goal in last Euro, and 2 goals in Nations League got them to another finals? Ajax won the title? Ajax and Netherland can’t produce a better forward? Is that what famous Ajax academy being reduced to?

Luuk de Jong was not prolific but he did make some mark at Sevilla. Why could I forget he scored against us? He however was out of place for Barcelona. Koeman just wanted more Dutchmen. Would Barcelona fan remember Koeman time with fondness? The question remains: Would Luuk de Jong got into England team from 2018 onward, if he is English?
 
In a scenario late in the window where we have gotten our new ST, Zirkzee is the backup ST, and Obi the 3rd option, I wouldn't be totally against signing DCL as like a joint 3rd option alongside Obi.
Comparing DCLs stats last season with Hojlunds it's clear how limited they both are, but at least DCL would offer us something in terms of much better aerial ability, higher defensive work rate, a better target man, and someone that gets to more chances (although he's obviously not a great finisher though). It's grim reading Hojlunds 24/25-stats, I'm genuinly hoping that he's able to revive his confidence again and bounce back again.
 
BrilliantOrange said:
What are you on about? No-one is arguing Weghorst is a world class striker. No one mentions he is in the league of the NL strikers you mention such are RVP, RVN, Makaay, Hasselbaink, Van Hooijdonk.

The only thing @90THMIN... mentions is that you aren't doing Wout his carreer justice by downsizing it to one specific moment. And rightfully so... I've been to Turkye lately and Besiktas fans are raving about him. He is the 2nd all-time goalscorer for VFL Wolfsburg in just 3.5 season. He
has apart from the 2 goals vs Argentina scored a lot of very important goals for NL in the last years.

Also in your attempt of bashing you make a lot of questionable claims.
- You are trying to put words in someones mouth.. 'he is not a one carreer moment striker' -> 'Do you really think this would have happened in a completely different time in history when NL was fulled with world class strikers'
- 'Even Luuk de Jong'. Luuk de Jong is one of the best headers in the world. Struggled when he was young at Newcastle and BMG, but later in his carreer was very valuable for both Barcelona and Sevilla (3 goals in EL semi finale/final).
- What does the fact that NL has a missive dry spell in strikers at the moment have anything to do that Wout's carreer is more than just the single highlight of the World Cup game against Argentina?

I think you are indeed only remembering Wout by his time at United, where he was used as a starting striker and/or even a starting number 10. Which are both horrible decisions. On a higher level Wout is nothing more than a (very capable) supersub and pinch hitter. Thats how Ajax uses him very effectively and that's how NL has almost always used him very effectively.

If United would have used Wout in a similar fashion as we used McTominay in ETH his last full season, we would have used him to his strenths a lot more and Im quite sure memories about him would have been a lot more positive. Yet we used him as a starting striker, for which he is NOWHERE good enough.

And no-one argues he is, but he deserves a lot more credit than his carreed being downgraded to a single game where he scored to good and important goals at the highest level.

PS: I despise the egocentric drama queen this is Wout Weghorst
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Thank you! great post
ti vu said:
Does this look like your friend downsize Weghorst career to the moments or me? So I can’t debate what was brought out by the other? See for yourself that the topic was about those two goals in dying minutes of that game. I hope you’re not in position to referee or judge anything in life.

If ETH had that idea of using Weghorst as whatever you described here, Weghorst wouldn’t have been here and got to lift League Cup. Ronaldo left, Martial was rarely available. We needed a #9. McTominay would have taken care of McTominay role you described no? Why would we need a competition for McTominay? Clearly that 2 goals influenced the recruitment decision of ETH, who has questionable judgement on the players ability.

ETH rarely played McTominay to his strength to realize his full potential. Bringing out Weghorst full potential during his loan with us would have got us what exactly? It’s not like he was a roaring success returning to Bundesliga, and now at Ajax.

Edin Dzeko won Bundesliga with Wolfsburg, their first and only title and moved on to other things. He continued to win trophies at other clubs. That’s the type of memorable career for players who are not top class. You think players dream to come to Wolfsburg to become the club all time top scorer? Weghorst found his max level. He stayed long because no better clubs wanted him. Wolfsburg cashed in when his decline started. Only cultist mind would celebrate his type of career. The only trophy he had ever won was League Cup with us. That’s the luck he has been enjoying when he’s on the other side of his prime. Now Netherland NT & Ajax celebrated mediocrity? His one goal in last Euro, and 2 goals in Nations League got them to another finals? Ajax won the title? Ajax and Netherland can’t produce a better forward? Is that what famous Ajax academy being reduced to?

Luuk de Jong was not prolific but he did make some mark at Sevilla. Why could I forget he scored against us? He however was out of place for Barcelona. Koeman just wanted more Dutchmen. Would Barcelona fan remember Koeman time with fondness? The question remains: Would Luuk de Jong got into England team from 2018 onward, if he is English?
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I never downsized his career to those two goals though. I said even if you take away everything he has done in his career those two goals alone against Argentina will be remembered more than anything DCL has done in his career. True or not?
 
userman said:
In a scenario late in the window where we have gotten our new ST, Zirkzee is the backup ST, and Obi the 3rd option, I wouldn't be totally against signing DCL as like a joint 3rd option alongside Obi.
Comparing DCLs stats last season with Hojlunds it's clear how limited they both are, but at least DCL would offer us something in terms of much better aerial ability, higher defensive work rate, a better target man, and someone that gets to more chances (although he's obviously not a great finisher though). It's grim reading Hojlunds 24/25-stats, I'm genuinly hoping that he's able to revive his confidence again and bounce back again.
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529 days out injured in the last four seasons according to transfermarkt. No thanks. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dominic-calvert-lewin/verletzungen/spieler/306024
 
Worth signing on a free if United end up not signing a striker this summer?
 
tentan said:
Worth signing on a free if United end up not signing a striker this summer?
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Appearance indexed wage. Wasn't Michael Owen on such a deal at Newcastle? He's a better squad option than both Hojlund and Zirkzee IMO.
 
Bastian said:
Appearance indexed wage. Wasn't Michael Owen on such a deal at Newcastle? He's a better squad option than both Hojlund and Zirkzee IMO.
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Would Utd even consider offering that sort of wage
 
This is the guy that dressed up in a skirt and handbag for a magazine.

Permenently injured, can’t score goals…..sounds like someone looking for one last big hoorah
 
tentan said:
Worth signing on a free if United end up not signing a striker this summer?
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Erm, he's either been injured or more sitters for 4 seasons now. It's a close call, but I would even prefer still having Hojlund to having him!
 
Patchbeard said:
Erm, he's either been injured or more sitters for 4 seasons now. It's a close call, but I would even prefer still having Hojlund to having him!
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Is it even that close though? DCL has done nothing to warrant interest in the last couple of years. Rasmus is at least fit and young enough to have room for improvement
 
Why is this even a topic? Why do our fans turn noses up at good players but clamour for rubbish that aren't good enough for teams below where we want to be.

Players like Calvert Lewin, Ramsdale, etc. Why would we want this guy? He is always injured, barely scores goals and consistently misses great chances, but I guess he is "PL proven" despite being proven average at very best.
 
I would prefer any of our 3 strikers to him. Hojlund, ZZ or Obi would start ahead of him imo. Even Chido who's incredibly raw would be more available and effective.
 
croadyman said:
Would Utd even consider offering that sort of wage
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It's pretty low risk IMV. I know people on here cannot stand him and/or do not rate him one iota (what do you say @SilentWitness ?) but to me he looks a pretty solid squad player. I suspect Newcastle will pick him up.
 
Bastian said:
It's pretty low risk IMV. I know people on here cannot stand him and/or do not rate him one iota (what do you say @SilentWitness ?) but to me he looks a pretty solid squad player. I suspect Newcastle will pick him up.
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It's hard to say how he will fit in somewhere nowadays. We tried to revolve around him at times and I don't think he will be afforded that at his next club. Under Ancelotti, we were able to get the best out of him and utilise his strengths which are running into the wide channels, his aerial ability and his overall hold up play. He isn't a natural striker and had to learn how to be one rather than have those natural instincts which is probably why he has an underperforming xG. His body isn't as broken as some are suggesting but it's definitely a shadow of his former self. As a 3rd/4th striker it would be fine as a different option but I think he wants the wages of a player who would be starting.
 
It all depends on his wages really. Considering our plan b was putting it into Maguire last season, we could do far worse than DCL on a free, as a plan b to come off the bench. He would be extremely low on my list of targets, but he would at least be a decent option if we couldn't get our main targets.
 
If we are going for an out of contract ex Everton forward would prefer Richarlison.
 
I hope no one is seriously viewing this guy as an option? I’d rather go into the season with Højlund up front again than sign this fecking bum.
 
Lash said:
It all depends on his wages really. Considering our plan b was putting it into Maguire last season, we could do far worse than DCL on a free, as a plan b to come off the bench. He would be extremely low on my list of targets, but he would at least be a decent option if we couldn't get our main targets.
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How about we buy someone who will actually contribute in the position? Our plan b should be Zirkzee or Obi and we improve our plan A. Why sign another forward who doesn't score to be a plan B when our plan A is rubbish. DCL would take up a squad place a wages, at least Maguire in desperate times is already on the books. This is the sort of signing that would only make sense if we had 2 decent strikers already and we just wanted a homegrown striker version of Tom Heaton.
 
SilentWitness said:
It's hard to say how he will fit in somewhere nowadays. We tried to revolve around him at times and I don't think he will be afforded that at his next club. Under Ancelotti, we were able to get the best out of him and utilise his strengths which are running into the wide channels, his aerial ability and his overall hold up play. He isn't a natural striker and had to learn how to be one rather than have those natural instincts which is probably why he has an underperforming xG. His body isn't as broken as some are suggesting but it's definitely a shadow of his former self. As a 3rd/4th striker it would be fine as a different option but I think he wants the wages of a player who would be starting.
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Thanks. I take your view over the others'. I've always had a soft spot for him, what you say his game is really is sufficient in my book for a squad striker, but if he's looking for a big pay day then he'll likely have to look abroad (Turkey, Saudi?).
 
Bastian said:
Thanks. I take your view over the others'. I've always had a soft spot for him, what you say his game is really is sufficient in my book for a squad striker, but if he's looking for a big pay day then he'll likely have to look abroad (Turkey, Saudi?).
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The report last summer was that we had a deal lined up for Minteh and DCL would go to Newcastle but it collapsed because DCL wanted too high wages (100k+). Perhaps he will be more accommodating on that front now he's without a club but who knows.
 
SilentWitness said:
The report last summer was that we had a deal lined up for Minteh and DCL would go to Newcastle but it collapsed because DCL wanted too high wages (100k+). Perhaps he will be more accommodating on that front now he's without a club but who knows.
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Ah, I forgot about that. He does strike me as a Newcastle signing. I think he'd be good for them. If the 100K is appearance related, and the base wage half that, fair enough, if not, it's not.
 
Actually a pretty good player but he makes Luke Shaw look like he's made from steel by comparison.

Hard pass unless he was literally on minimum wage + pay as you play.
 
In 2021 I'd have said he was among the best strikers not playing for a big club, and that maybe he'd earned a shot at a team challenging to get in the CL. I liked his style of play quite a bit, you can't beat a classic number 9. However even then it was far from certain he'd succeed, and after four injury plagued years, you have to say it would be a pretty desperate choice. I honestly think I'd rather stick with Hojland and Zirkzee.
 
Hughes35 said:
Actually a pretty good player but he makes Luke Shaw look like he's made from steel by comparison.

Hard pass unless he was literally on minimum wage + pay as you play.
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Even when he's been fit he's been less prolific that Rasmus.
 
If we got him as well as 2 strikers (presuming Hojlund leaves) then I'd say yeah. But we'd need to basically just assume he won't ever be available, in which case what's the point?
 
Apokalips said:
How about we buy someone who will actually contribute in the position? Our plan b should be Zirkzee or Obi and we improve our plan A. Why sign another forward who doesn't score to be a plan B when our plan A is rubbish. DCL would take up a squad place a wages, at least Maguire in desperate times is already on the books. This is the sort of signing that would only make sense if we had 2 decent strikers already and we just wanted a homegrown striker version of Tom Heaton.
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I mean, did you not read what I said? I would obviously want someone else, but if we can't get them he wouldn't be a bad option. Zirkzee and Obi aren't target men, DCL isn't as bad as you're making out and clearly has strengths that our stirkers currently don't. Also would entirely depend on his wages if it was a viable option too, as opened my post with. I'm not and I'm sure we're not, interested in making him a top earner.
 
Last thing we need are more mediocre players to throw onto the deadwood pile. I'd rather sign no one than resort to wasting money on players who are only there to make up the numbers
 
28 years old and has scored 57 goals in 239 appearances. 3 goals in 26 apps last season. 7 in 32 the year before.

17 league goals over the last 4 season. Less than 5 a season on average.

Injuries isn't the reason to avoid this guy, the fact that he's worse than average is.
 
There was a brief moment when he genuinely looked like he was turning into a world beater and top striker.
And then, five years have passed and you realize you have no idea what the player did since that moment. And you also realize that moment coincided with Ancelotti making the team overperform.
 
Get a big contract, get injured for a year then cant get rid of him because he wont go anywhere else for a paycut
 
Carl said:
Even when he's been fit he's been less prolific that Rasmus.
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That's just not true though is it ?

DCL = on average scores a PL goal every 198 minutes

Hojlund = on average scores a PL goal every 299 minutes.

Just to reiterate though, we should avoid signing DCL as he is just physically broken.
 
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