Donald Trump - All things impeachment.... | Acquitted in the Senate
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Her twitter is hilarious, reeks of hypocrisy, and tbh I bet she only said that about Pelosi because Pelosi is a woman and this girl want to act like a "feminist".
Trump gonna get impeached all the way to a second term. He's on his way to the big house, big white house that is.
its happening. never doubt me
A few questions from the uneducated aka me:
1) Is this impeachment just about gaining the levers of oversight/higher level subpoenas etc rather than removing Trump?
2) Do the democrats have a cogent strategy to pressure Moscow Mitch?
3) Apart from the likes of Collins and Murkowski, is there any appetite from senate Republicans for this?
4) What horsetrading would it take for Massacre Mitch to get on board? ie.If pressure from #2 isn't enough, do they have a way to tip the scales?
5) What's the likely formation of the Dems legal team?
1) Is this impeachment just about gaining the levers of oversight/higher level subpoenas etc rather than removing Trump?
2) Do the democrats have a cogent strategy to pressure Moscow Mitch?
3) Apart from the likes of Collins and Murkowski, is there any appetite from senate Republicans for this?
4) What horsetrading would it take for Massacre Mitch to get on board? ie.If pressure from #2 isn't enough, do they have a way to tip the scales?
5) What's the likely formation of the Dems legal team?
Aye. Unless McConnell has had enough and decides that Republicans are better without Trump, in which case he sacrifices Trump for the good of the party, but I don't think we have reached that stage.
1) This Ukraine thing is the straw that broke the camels back. There has been any number of impeachable offences but this is a single bite size event which is seemingly concise enough and serious enough to justify starting proceedings. In theory, they should have legal basis to get whatever documents they require for their inquiry, in reality Barr is going to continue to block everything. I don’t see this as a huge problem as impeachment is a political process rather than criminal and Barr and Trump stonewalling can therefore be considered as impeachable acts in their own right which will only aid the process. My prediction is that within the next 6 months, Barr will also be subject to an impeachment process.
2) Don’t worry about Mitch, this is about impeachment rather than indictment. These proceedings are being started in the knowledge that the senate won’t play along.
3) I’d forget about those two already. Romney is the one to come out strongest but he also has no spine.
4) I have no idea what Mitch will do if he’s impeached. Standard procedure would obviously be for the Senate to have a trial but it wouldn’t be a huge shock if McConnell protected him from that. What the Democrats really want to do here is get all the evidence against him out in public and make it an open shut impeachment case and make it clear that high crimes have been committed. If McConnell and the Republicans block a trial despite this, it puts them into the cess pool with Trump, if a trial does go ahead, it’s a chance for the evidence to be dragged out in public once again and if it’s plainly obvious he committed serious crimes and they decide not to indict him, it’s terrible optics for them.
5) Still not clear. It’s 6 house committees conducting independent impeachment inquiries apparently which seems chaotic to me. There’s calls for a single select committee.
The most important thing right now is for the Democrats to have dropped Biden out of the race before any of this starts. If Biden is the Democrat nominee when impeachment is going on it’s going to be a bloodbath. There is going to be numerous open testimonies, Democrats will be using them to gain evidence against Trump while every single Republican is going to be using it to dig deep into Biden and his family and create a very powerful narrative of corruption that will stick to him just like the buttery males stuck to Hillary.
If Warren is the candidate and all they have in their armoury is some nonsense about Biden, they’re going to look like fools.
So this will last a few weeks, then Trump is reelected in 2020 and it will be 4 more years of screaming that he's a big ol'd meanie?
Or does this actually have some sort of chance of success?
Or does this actually have some sort of chance of success?
*President Trump.
Also, is the punishment for impeachment just removal from Office? Does it not come with mandatory prison time?
Also, is the punishment for impeachment just removal from Office? Does it not come with mandatory prison time?
That post reads like something from a guy who’s gone completely insane and shot himself before finishing
That’s a separate issue because he’d be a private citizen by then.
'We wish you a mueller christmas'
Ah I see. Thanks!
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Presidential harassment!
His removal would make him legally exposed since he wouldn’t have Presidential protections anymore.
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Yay a new season of the US sideshow. Will they, won't they, how will he escape this time, are the Democrats ever actually going to do something? So many plot lines. Though like all sitcoms, it is likely that the just end up in the exact same place at the end of the episode.
Interesting, thanks.
Well, the writers had already used up all of the existing book material and had been struggling for ideas. The characters had become frankly unbelievable (I mean, the dialogue? Who actually talks like that? The difference between now and earlier seasons in the 80s and 90s is glaring).
Ratings were slumping so they had try something dramatic... in general in recent seasons, it's almost as if they save their budget for these big blowout setpiece episodes just before the season finale, but at the expense of all the other episodes.
If there is a strong case, a full blown trial with the senate as the jury and the house playing prosecution would rattle even the toughest partisans in the senate. Even McConnell can't sweep this under the rug.
Which isn’t at all impossible. It’s worth remembering that most GOP senators and congressmen apparently hate Trump’s guts with a passion. He’s humiliated them, bullied them and threatened to turn their own bases against them if they don’t obey his commands.
This is a group of people who would happily knife their own grandmother to get ahead in life. If they see an opportunity to get rid of him without destroying the Republican brand or risking their own re-election, it’s perfectly possible they could turn on him if there’s enough concrete proof on the table.
PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
Crickey, that girl is what, 13?PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!
Also, why the feck am I saying crickey.
Surely that's photoshopped to high hell.
Isn’t that Ivanka?
No, it's Jeffrey Epstein.
Thanks @Pexbo As I understand it, if Congress indicts, the senate cannot then refuse a trial. They in effect 'lose control of the floor' for such a process.
I still don't understand this move politically, unless there's something we're not seeing. For all intents and purposes Trump is a lame duck, and almost every metric says he'll be out on his ass in 2020. Why not just hold the line until then and not risk riling his base etc? It seems nonsensical to start proceedings now.
If it's about indictment rather than conviction, it seems damned strange. This gives just enough time for the Republicans to organise a proper primary etc should they choose to dump Trump and does nothing to aid the Democrat cause. Pelosi is no fool. Democrats would surely rather face trump than a fresh face.
I think all in all, there must be some facet to this nobody can see yet. Something really strong against Trump perhaps that warrants his removal from office on the grounds of simply what's best for the country in a non partisan sense. If this is the case, he's pretty fecked. And he'll fight it hard and dirty.
I still don't understand this move politically, unless there's something we're not seeing. For all intents and purposes Trump is a lame duck, and almost every metric says he'll be out on his ass in 2020. Why not just hold the line until then and not risk riling his base etc? It seems nonsensical to start proceedings now.
If it's about indictment rather than conviction, it seems damned strange. This gives just enough time for the Republicans to organise a proper primary etc should they choose to dump Trump and does nothing to aid the Democrat cause. Pelosi is no fool. Democrats would surely rather face trump than a fresh face.
I think all in all, there must be some facet to this nobody can see yet. Something really strong against Trump perhaps that warrants his removal from office on the grounds of simply what's best for the country in a non partisan sense. If this is the case, he's pretty fecked. And he'll fight it hard and dirty.
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https://compassrosepllc.com/wp-cont...Statement-Concerning-Release-of-Complaint.pdf
Statement by WB counsel.
“We await the release of the complaint in it’s totality”.
Wonder how much Barr and the WH will have redacted.
Statement by WB counsel.
“We await the release of the complaint in it’s totality”.
Wonder how much Barr and the WH will have redacted.
Regarding the release of the transcripts. I'm hoping that Ukraine see it in their best interests and release all transcripts and recordings they have to Shiff. Hopefully that has already happened and they are waiting on Trump and Barr releasing a highly redacted or doctored version first.
Damn, I honestly didn't know.
If this was a cartoon then Trump would be Tweety Pie, his accusers would be Sylvester and the grandma would be fate, readying her handbag of inevitable disappointment.
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Y’all need to remember that this call to Ukraine, which Trump is about to release the transcript of, was not the sole reason for the WB complaint. There were apparently numerous incidents that the WB reported, not just this. The transcript might seem innocuous by itself but combined with the rest of the complaint may just be quite damning to Trump and his cohorts. In other words don’t think “oh nothing to see here folks”. Apart from the obvious fact that it will have been edited we do need to wait until we know about all of the complaint.
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Yeah, they stopped making recordings of phone calls by the POTUS a few decades back for some reason...
Probably why they’re so comfortable moving forward with releasing this ‘transcription.’
Well we already know that Trump doesn’t like people taking notes so goodness knows where they’ve got this transcript from. It will have been sharpied though.
Phone calls with world leaders would’ve been listened in on by various people in the WH with transcripts taken at the time. How close the notes we get to what was said and whether they can be placed in the proper context would be what is in question.
Interestingly, Barr, Pompeo, and Mulvaney all have considerable exposure here. They are playing with their own futures which may eventually cause them to have second thoughts about remaining full on sycophants.
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