Donald Trump thanks Fifa for "reversing a great injustice"
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They've reduced football into a game of four quarters. That was enough for it turn into a massive turd regardless of how open Trump and FIFA are regarding corruption.The whole feel good atmosphere for visitors that had been cultivated in the host cities and NT home base towns over the past month.
It was great PR for the US until reality hit everyone again about the US regime and FIFA
Yeah, exactly. The game of quarters thing is actually much more of a big deal than the red card scandal. It’s kind of annoying that didn’t get the same push back from Klopp et al
Agree 100%. Although there’s a typo in the first word of your post. Should read “Unluckily”.
I think it's more noticeable on American tv since we break for commercials. If you are watching anywhere else, the storage doesn't look as bad because they are staying with the game. We (Americans) should be outraged, but we are so used to commercial timeouts that it doesn't even register anymore.
Has Trump called Infantile to find him 4 goals yet?
With ads. In the last months a number of Rugby games have had water breaks due to heat but it has been without ad breaks. Water breaks aren't new, ad breaks are.
Best he could do is find out Belgium are 2 weeks away from nukes
It’s incredibly noticeable to anyone who watches football, surely? The breaks kill all momentum and give teams a chance to rest and reset, when part of what makes football so challenging is keeping your energy levels and focus up for 45-50 minutes at a time. Plus the ebb and flow over those long periods of time is a key part of the experience of watching football. It’s basically a different sport in this tournament. All because Infantino has no spine. I’m amazed there isn’t a much bigger fuss being made about it.
I might be used to it because I have been watching the Argentina league and their Continental tournaments and they have hydration breaks as well so it's becoming kind of normal to me (which is not a good thing).
Or was it Manneken Pis that destroyed his bigly pool project?
That needs to be photoshopped.Ah, ok. I didn’t know they were being used much in other leagues. Other than very occasionally when the weather is crazy hot. Either way it’s an absolute disgrace having them in air conditioned stadiums.
100% agree. It's not rocket science to say "If at the start of the game, the heat index is over 'x temperature', we will institute hydration breaks for they game."
They make it sound like it takes a crap ton of planning and organizing which is rediculous.
Well yeah I would have actually loved the whole thing to crash and burn, but the USA beating Belgium and attempts to corrupt the inevitable resulting legal challenge would have been infuriating and allowed the US to ruin a world cup for the entire planet.
The world doesn't really need more anti FIFA/US ammunition as we get plenty on an almost daily basis.
There's still plenty that makes this world cup a steaming pile of crap. Hydration breaks, bullying a team out of the tournament because you've been bombing them and blowing up their school children, allowing players facing rape charges to play, the whole peace prize thing, charging people £100 to get a train to the game they already paid 3k to get a ticket for....I just have to not think about it though otherwise it makes me really angry that people have just gone along with it.
That came off as a bit of a dig by Courtois, but he is not wrong.
It's Courtois, it was a dig.
Definitely both
Actually a valid point. i hate when VAR review starts with this.
Having said that all red cards incidents should be reviewed in the same manner.
It's not, it goes against FIFA(IFAB) own protocol.
Count me among the tiny number of Americans, possibly the only one, who agreed with the red card decision. I wouldn't say it was an obvious red card offense, but it was pretty clear to me that it was. The outcry was over the severity of the punishment, not that it was actually a pretty bad foul. And on that point I agree that the one game ban was excessive, but is well within the long-established laws of the game. What needs to happen is for the laws to provide for a red card offense that results in being sent off for the game only, another red card offense that results in a one-game ban, and then another for a three-game ban. Hopefully someone at FIFA will deal with this as there are too many offenses fall into that quandary of the punishment being too lenient if not called, but too severe if called, which we know creeps into the minds of referees.
As for the political cesspit of which you speak, you got it. Americans have always been deeply flawed in important ways (arrogance and hypocrisy), but this debable took arrogance and hypocrisy to a new level precisely because the stakes were so law. This is just football tournament, not who controls oil, and a sitting potus used the power of his office in a way that disgraced the nation he purportedly leads. And he now leaves a legacy that will never be forgotten.
Is this the Let's laugh at US thread? If so, then, Ha ha!
Somalian ref and all.
Though it is changing this year, the IRB(Rugby) process is that every red card is reviewed and the appropriate suspension is given, they can also rescind them. This year they try a new system where careless and "tactical" fouls that lead to a red are a minimum of 2 weeks and reckless/violent fouls are a minimum of 4 weeks.
You're making it sound like he didn't get the absolute minimum sentence possible that the rulebook allowed for. A sending off and a single match ban is more than appropriate for a careless foul that could have well injured his opponent for a long time with the way he stepped on his ankle is more than fair. Others have gotten longer suspensions for similar.
Yeah forgot about that. People having their tickets cancelled and not refunded last minute as well.
Feel like every world cup has a small helping of nonsense to go with it, but this one has been in complete overdrive.
Annoys me that there was more outrage for it being in Qatar over their cultural stance on gay and women's rights, even though this had no impact on their tolerance of anyone attending the country...yet a country that voted for a racist paedophile as President who the world cup organisers then awarded a peace price to despite him actively starting multiple wars, was apparently not worth making a fuss over. Even though the unfair discriminatory treatment of people by the USA has directly impacted multiple people participating in or attending the world cup.
Again though I have to just not think about it because people and their inconsistent moral application really wind me up like nothing else.
Come on, that was by design.
Most of us were outraged with the slave labor used to build the Qatari stadiums (they were confiscating passports and workers were dieing at shocking rates). Plus the other human rights stuff. Really, between Russia, Qatar, and USA, FIFA has really outdone themselves.
I mean yes and no.
I don't think a country hosting a major tournament and having to embrace modern cultural views or have their own outdated views/practices brought into the limelight, is actually a bad thing. Where as letting a country host a world cup and treat people who attend it like pieces of sh*t based on their nationality, skin colour, or whether the president likes where they are from or not, is unredeemably pathetic.
I was outraged at first but I’m not sure I know the facts
Was it appealed and subsequently over turned? Can you appeal reds in the WC as you can in the PL?
Or was it confirmed to be a red, then Trump got involved and they decided to simply remove (or postpone) the suspension?
If the latter then a complete and utter joke, if the former then we see that all the time in the PL - I just don’t know why orange bollocks had to be involved
Was it appealed and subsequently over turned? Can you appeal reds in the WC as you can in the PL?
Or was it confirmed to be a red, then Trump got involved and they decided to simply remove (or postpone) the suspension?
If the latter then a complete and utter joke, if the former then we see that all the time in the PL - I just don’t know why orange bollocks had to be involved
The latter, you can only appeal additional games.
There was some muted outrage over that prior to the tournament. Not nearly as much as there should have been. I very specifically remember the bigger issue being gay/women's rights, because that became the bandwagon to jump on.
Up until FIFA threatened to book players if they protested about it, and then everyone just sort of forgot about it because, you know...obviously not as important as whether or not your team captain picks up a yellow card in a world cup group game.
Ah yeah of course. Thank you
Top notch shithousery from Belgium
It doesn't even matter if a one-match ban for a red card is excessive (it's really not). It's the apparent ability for the leader of the host country to dictate that on-pitch events must be retconned because this helps his country win the tournament (in theory, of course, irrespective of USA's actual chances of becoming world champions). If there's any disagreement about the laws of the sport, they have to be taken up after the tournament, not arbitrarily rearranged in favour of one team the day before their next game. I know you and I don't disagree on this, but it bears mentioning that the real problem is not the severity of the consequences of the guy's red card, it's the fact that the fecking president can just instruct the FIFA boss to retcon what happened on the pitch. If USA had made it further in the tournament, what would be next? It's not a slippery slope, but rather a rationally deduced likelihood, that Trump might then decree that USA be given a win for a game they lost. He is that insane, and by all apparent evidence, Infantino is also sufficiently corrupt to simply comply with a demand like that. It's such a huge blow to the integrity of football as a whole.
And worst of all, we know that this kind of privilege would never be afforded to the leaders of other countries. It's only the uniquely corrupt, despicable Trump, who stands out as one of the very worst leaders that the world has ever seen, who is inexplicably treated extra favourably by FIFA. That's what really should cost Infantino the job on the spot. He is being extra kind to the absolute very worst. That's reprehensible beyond words. We know that nothing will happen because FIFA is fully sumberged in all-encompassing corruption, but it is now correct and necessary to consider Infantino a man of no human worth whatsoever. If he was in charge of something of greater humanitarian importance than football, what would he do if instructed so by an insane dictator? Even if football is limited in its capacity to inflict evil, a man like that has shown us all what he would probably do if he was in charge of an institution that could do more harm.
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You're not following what I'm saying. I fully acknowledge that Balogun got the minimum sentence, but the problem with the sentence is that it really was too harsh given the nature of the foul. It was clearly not intentional, but it also clearly endangered the opponent. There should be a first tier of punishment that consists of only the team going down to 10 men, but that the player is not suspended for the next game. The severity of a severity of the punishment can be easily addressed by league authorities immediately after the match. It would not be very difficult to arrive at a conclusion that either results in no ban, a one game ban or a three game ban...or in the case of something outrageous like Cantona a much longer ban.
You're pushing against an open door. Like everyone else here, I deeply object to and resent the political intervention we all witnessed.
I don't really understand this point and it has been made a lot of times. That's the difference between a careless and reckless/violent foul, the former has a minimum of one game suspension and the latter 3 games.