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They are totally different players. The fact that Fred is shit doesn't change that.I'd be kicking down doors if I was him and I saw Fred playing in front of me every week
Pogba and Fred are also different players yet one replaced the other both in this game and midweek.They are totally different players. The fact that Fred is shit doesn't change that.
McTominay and Fred are shit and have been all season. Still no chances for him though.They are totally different players. The fact that Fred is shit doesn't change that.
We will have to disagree.Yes quite obviously.
McTominay and Fred is a crap midfield. McTominay and VDB are a crap midfield. Fred with anyone is a crap midfield.Pogba and Fred are also different players yet one replaced the other both in this game and midweek.
Ole and VDB have both said he can play 6 or 8 so why is he incapable of playing instead of Fred?
Have we even seen McTominay and VDB? I can't even think of one game let alone a period of games where they've gotten a run.McTominay and Fred is a crap midfield. McTominay and VDB are a crap midfield. Fred with anyone is a crap midfield.
Why are we debating over which crap midfield we play. We needed to sign a midfielder, we didn't. Ole can't manage around those weaknesses for an entire season so we are fecked as far as trying to win something worthwhile.
SameI hope he gets sold as I am sick of fecking hearing about him.
If he played today it would have made no fecking difference unless he had one of his 1 in 30 decent performances for us.
Sadly, this.McTominay and Fred is a crap midfield. McTominay and VDB are a crap midfield. Fred with anyone is a crap midfield.
Why are we debating over which crap midfield we play. We needed to sign a midfielder, we didn't. Ole can't manage around those weaknesses for an entire season so we are fecked as far as trying to win something worthwhile.
Fred is the worst player I ever remember having played an important role in our squad.Have we even seen McTominay and VDB? I can't even think of one game let alone a period of games where they've gotten a run.
McTominay and Fred has been proven over the course of multiple seasons to be shite.
We're debating over which midfield we should play because Fred is costing us every week and people naturally look at our other options and wonder what they have to do to get in.
How do we know VDB is crap? He's made 4 league starts since he signed.McTominay and Fred is a crap midfield. McTominay and VDB are a crap midfield. Fred with anyone is a crap midfield.
Why are we debating over which crap midfield we play. We needed to sign a midfielder, we didn't. Ole can't manage around those weaknesses for an entire season so we are fecked as far as trying to win something worthwhile.
I agree with you on Fred.Fred is the worst player I ever remember having played an important role in our squad.
Ole clearly sees them as different players and feels he need the type of player Fred is more. I am just bored of this thread at the top of the forum every time we lose or draw as though VDB was the answer when he has been nearly as bad as Fred every time he has played for us. This isn't like in 2008 when Tevez wasn't playing enough.
Why?If I were him, I'd be seething.
Could it be any worse if we at least tried him? Give him a run of games and see? We’re already getting cut through with McFred, and the whole point of the McFred double pivot is that they give us some defensive stability. Since they’re clearly not doing that, isn’t it about time we tried something different?Fred is the worst player I ever remember having played an important role in our squad.
Ole clearly sees them as different players and feels he need the type of player Fred is more. I am just bored of this thread at the top of the forum every time we lose or draw as though VDB was the answer when he has been nearly as bad as Fred every time he has played for us. This isn't like in 2008 when Tevez wasn't playing enough.
I didn't say he was crap.How do we know VDB is crap? He's made 4 league starts since he signed.
Could it be any worse? Yes things could be worse.Could it be any worse if we at least tried him? Give him a run of games and see? We’re already getting cut through with McFred, and the whole point of the McFred double pivot is that they give us some defensive stability. Since they’re clearly not doing that, isn’t it about time we tried something different?
He's not getting in over Fred but he certainly should over Mctominay.Has he done anything to prove that he should start for Manchester United?
Every player needs time to settle. Has he been given any time to do that? 5 mins here and there and suddenly he is expected to win games and get assists? Pogba after over 5 years cannot say he had made the midfield his own but vdb is supposed to do that with sub appearances?I didn't say he was crap.
Based on the 40 odd times he has played for us, I do not see him being the reincarnation of 2012 Michael Carrick that we need.
Fred is on soooo bad form that donny would be a definite upgrade on him.They are totally different players. The fact that Fred is shit doesn't change that.
McTominay's performances for us have been better than Van De Beek's.He's not getting in over Fred but he certainly should over Mctominay.
And to that point, what's McTominay done to warrant a consistent place in this team other than score a few and be an academy graduate?
VDB is a former CL semi-finalist in which he played a major role, so I'd say he's got more status and definitely deserves a chance than the utter shite we see from Scott.
VDB did enough against YB and West Ham to warrant a continued go given how bad Scott is.
But our manager is either too scared to try anything or is playing favorites.
Neither is good enough in a midfield 2.Fred is on soooo bad form that donny would be a definite upgrade on him.
You do know that they train every day?Every player needs time to settle. Has he been given any time to do that? 5 mins here and there and suddenly he is expected to win games and get assists? Pogba after over 5 years cannot say he had made the midfield his own but vdb is supposed to do that with sub appearances?
How is it? He's hardly ever started and it's very clear his manager couldn't be arsed with him. He was Bruno's back up, which means he'd never play, but he's adjusted his position to get game time.Van De Beek has signed for United and looked scared of his own shadow for most of his time here. That is his own fault.
So why do you train? To play in matches I assume? Or is a player's aim to just train well and go and sit on the couch at home.You do know that they train every day?
Do you assume that Ole doesn't let him train?
Donny has been rubbish most of the time he has played.How is it? He's hardly ever started and it's very clear his manager couldn't be arsed with him. He was Bruno's back up, which means he'd never play, but he's adjusted his position to get game time.
McTominay is not better. McTominay is a fantastic example of Manchester United fans lowering their standards of what should be required of a Manchester United midfielder.
He is dreadfully poor, but pops up with good games. This has never changed, but he gets hyped for being an academy graduate.
Right now he offers utterly nothing to the team, so Donny deserves a go there.
He was one of the better players against West Ham in a game we lost in the Carabao cup?So why do you train? To play in matches I assume? Or is a player's aim to just train well and go and sit on the couch at home.
Nothing from ole has shown that vdb is bad at training or is not giving his all. Ole just is stuck with what he thinks is right. Probably due to his ego.
Vdb was one of the better players against West ham. So we know we have a good player in him.
The player has shown here is not happy sitting on the bench. Ole did not let him leave,but is not playing him. This is bad management.
Not sure if you are being obtuse on purpose. He has never had a proper run of games and was still one of the better players that day. United losing is the teams fault and not his.He was one of the better players against West Ham in a game we lost in the Carabao cup?
Cool now I get why everyone acts like we have the reincarnation of Xavi on our bench everytime we lose or draw.
I am almost entirely sure that you are being obtuse.Not sure if you are being obtuse on purpose. He has never had a proper run of games and was still one of the better players that day. United losing is the teams fault and not his.
Mcfred have had their chances. It's time to test vdb for a run of games. We are not going to win the league. The least we can do is see if we need to go for a midfielder in Jan if vdb is not what we need.
