Van de Beek is a playmaker if he could be trusted enough to have a team built around him. His game against Standard Liege, like I have shown in the image above shows he is. I have seen him play with my very eyes and his awareness of space, passing range, movement makes him apt as a playmaker.
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I just can't get my head around the fact that you think Vd Beek's strength is his passing ability. It's simply not true. His positioning and goalscoring ability are what set him apart. He is a good enough functional passer and does well in a quick combination, but that's it. Here you are comparing him to guys like Pirlo and Xavi? It's like you quantum leaped here from an alternate reality with an alternate Donny vd Beek.Because his game is centred around dribbling considering he doesn't have an expansive passing range like Van de Beek.
A central midfielder's game isn't centred around dribbling but his several passing skills (lofted, long, throughballs, crosses etc). I bet this our new generation dribbling eccentric fans would have found Xavi a bore at the time Barca's game wasn't centred around him nor winning because all he did was speak with his passing, not a stupid dribbling. Likewise Pirlo at inter but the fact that he couldn't cope as a no 10, he wasn't deem good until he moved to Milan where he got deployed as a central midfielder while inter kept gnashing their teeth.
I have seen plenty of Ajax fans screaming over Frenkie's dribbling and I was like, what's happening? Anyway, time will tell. I'm sure if Van de Beek had been allowed to grow as a no 6, Pep would have moved mountain for him but I didn't see him do that for Frenkie. That tells he's not seeing what you're all seeing.
I was again at that game and we were terrible!!
another comment by someone else who didn't watch that game. (which again I was at, and De Jong's dribbles were fantastic. Vd Beek's contribution around PSV's box was also very valuable btw.aimlessly? Did you watch the video i literally just gave you? His dribbling was key, especially in that match, to our dominance on the midfield. he created man-more situations by literally going past 3/4 players on his own time and time again.
has happened a number of times this season from the midfield but funnily enough never happened that I can remember when he was playing centreback.
looking at stats for 5 seconds isn't following a team.
Vd Beek played as a righthalf(8) his entire youth career, not a 6. So there was never a case of "been allowed to develop" at 6. Also De Jong's passing can be a little undercooked at times but his awareness and distribution is world class. Also the fact that you don't understand the value of a centre mid that can dribble under pressure and create "overtal" situations says enoughBecause his game is centred around dribbling considering he doesn't have an expansive passing range like Van de Beek.
A central midfielder's game isn't centred around dribbling but his several passing skills (lofted, long, throughballs, crosses etc). I bet this our new generation dribbling eccentric fans would have found Xavi a bore at the time Barca's game wasn't centred around him nor winning because all he did was speak with his passing, not a stupid dribbling. Likewise Pirlo at inter but the fact that he couldn't cope as a no 10, he wasn't deem good until he moved to Milan where he got deployed as a central midfielder while inter kept gnashing their teeth.
I have seen plenty of Ajax fans screaming over Frenkie's dribbling and I was like, what's happening? Anyway, time will tell. I'm sure if Van de Beek had been allowed to grow as a no 6, Pep would have moved mountain for him but I didn't see him do that for Frenkie. That tells he's not seeing what you're all seeing.
Van de Beek's passing strength hasn't been utilised enough, especially under Hen tag. What can he do as a SS with 20 touches per game? What did you expect him to do with that nonsense touches, especially while being deployed as a striker? How did you expect him to dictate the game from the striker role?
However, when he was deployed as a no 6 against Groningen, Standard Liege, and even against us in the Europa match, he showed it many times. In the Groningen game for example, he completed 12 out of 18 long passes, which is Kroos' and Pirlo's esque. Ajax fans even lauded him for that performance and said he's constructively faster than Schone (has got better speed of thought) and can switch play better. Also, against Go ahead eagles while Peter Bosz was the coach. He had plenty of touches and dictated the flow of the match.
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...nds-Eredivisie-2016-2017-Ajax-Go-Ahead-Eagles
Like I said earlier, his movement, spatial awareness, speed of thought and passing range makes him apt as a playmaker and I have seen that with my very own eyes.
That was why I wished Bosz had never left. Now, some Ajax fans think he's a no 10 because that was the role he assumed in their best year of winning their double and going as far as the semi final of the CL. It's no wonder they likened him to Klassen. While he has done well in the SS role so far, I feel he's been shackled and hasn't been able to showcase what's he's got because of the stupid SS role he's been deployed.
Guys, you can talk to Donny's mum all you want, but she's not going to budge and write more walls of text about stats when he was 12.
I'm faster than Schone.
They are not talking about Van de Beek being faster than Schone, eventhough he's actually is but 'constructively faster', which is about his speed of thought and that's one of his best attribute.
There you go.
Schöne's big weakness outside of his physical speed literally is his speed of handling/thinking. The reason I've wanted him out of the starting xi since 2016 is precisely because he's such a liability when pressed. i actually don't get how it isn't exploited more
you do realise that vd beek not being a 10 has literally been one of the most common themes under Ajax supporters this season, right?
But yourself and others have likened him to Klassen. I recently went to the forum and all I saw were comments which insinuated that he should continue as a no 10. Something in this form "he's finally replaced Klassen for us and all we need is to find a replacement for Frenkie in the central midfield". "We have finally got a better Klassen in Van de Beek and he needs to stay back so that he can keep developing into the role".
That's why I want him to leave. Most of Ajax fans are already seeing him as a no 10. He doesn't even play like a no 10 but as a SS, which is worse.
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Common, you don't need to make a lot of dribbles in defence and central midfield. You use your passing skills to dictate the flow, not your dribble. It doesn't mean you can't evade pressure with a tactical dribble but that doesn't mean you should go on mazy dribbles everytime as a central midfielder or defender. If it were attackers or fullbacks that did that, it would be understandable but not a midfielder or a defender.I was again at that game and we were terrible!!
aimlessly? Did you watch the video i literally just gave you? His dribbling was key, especially in that match, to our dominance on the midfield. he created man-more situations by literally going past 3/4 players on his own time and time again.
has happened a number of times this season from the midfield but funnily enough never happened that I can remember when he was playing centreback.
looking at stats for 5 seconds isn't following a team.
Vd Beek played as a righthalf(8) his entire youth career, not a 6. So there was never a case of "been allowed to develop" at 6. Also De Jong's passing can be a little undercooked at times but his awareness and distribution is world class. Also the fact that you don't understand the value of a centre mid that can dribble under pressure and create "overtal" situations says enough
Van De Beek switched between no 8 and no 6 for Jong Ajax before he moved to the first team. It's not a must for him to be deployed as a no 6 but it would be good if a team gets built around him either as a 8 or 6. As a no 6 for Ajax, he was able to get on the ball a lot hence dictated from there but as a no 8, he may not likely see the ball like he does at 6 except if the team is built around him.
Whichever, Hen Tag should stop deploying him as a SS.
Makes brilliant runs. He’d be an excellent signing for us.
Massive fan of him.
Massive fan of him.
Looks the real deal to me this lad.
Technically superb and always seems to make the right decisions.
Technically superb and always seems to make the right decisions.
I’d love us to get him
To be honest, I'm always annoyed whenever I see him gets deployed as a no 10. I really want to know how much his game has improved as a central midfielder but you could only see glimpses because he hardly gets played as one.
That being said, the no 10 role has actually made him to improve his strength on the ball as a holdup support striker. He's got this kind of long gangly legs to accompany his frame hence tends to look akward but recently, he's built more strength on his legs and looks quite hard to knock off unlike before. This hasn't stopped his agility/quick turns too. He actually said he trained hard to improve himself as a no 10.
The central midfield role is still his best.
Looks like a solid player. Ajax are going to get Monaco'ed this transfer window.
How was the lad yesterday?
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Would love the lad here from the little I have seen. Looks like a CM for me that has a bit of everything like Herrera looked like in the first season but have the ability to be more creative and tactically intelligent.
Should have started imo
Would certainly be a good upgrade on Mata but like Fernandes positionally I'm not sure where he would play for us. I really like him as a player though and wouldn't be against this one
Im like you & I don't want a CAM roaming around. I don't think that's what we need. However Van der Beek to me is a clear midfielder with a playmaking ability playing further forward.
So, he actually wants to come here?
He could definitely play the Herrera role and if we needed a more attacking formation could be moved to the 10 position behind two strikers.
He is great, can do everything in midfield. Would love for us to sign him but we haven't even been linked to him as far as I know.
To me he plays in a way that suits Pogba. Whenever I watched Herrera play it felt like Pogba was attacking himself.
Van de beek looks like a guy who has an attacking ability, an ability to score goals and make some passes whilst also having the tenacity and hard working aspect that a midfielder should have.
He have slotted in well beside ander and paul. Ander in the deeper roll
We won’t be in for him we are giving a new £130,000 a week contract to our very own Lingaard.
Brilliant, can’t wait for next season
Brilliant, can’t wait for next season
Can play multiple roles, and work well as a CDM, CM and CAM. If this is true, and he really wants to come,then we should ditch B. Fernandes and sign V. Beek.
I can see how you've linked the 2 together. Yup, definitely.We won’t be in for him we are giving a new £130,000 a week contract to our very own Lingaard.
Brilliant, can’t wait for next season
From what I've seen of him, he is the player Lingard thinks he is. He has many of the same qualities, except he's much better at all of them. Gets himself into clever areas and good pockets of space and is very good at linking up play. He also offers more defensively than Lingard although maybe not as much as Herrera did.
Would be a great addition in the midfield, probably the player Herrera should've been. Would've like Barella as well but looks like hes off to Inter.
This lad would be great, didn’t even think he’d be interested in us and would have plenty of suitors. Perfect Herrera replacement as many have said.
I'm sure I saw someone previously say on here that Ajax fans thought he was only about as good as Klassen prior to the season just gone. Granted he's young, but is there any chance he just rode the wave of playing in a young, talented team playing a great system that suited everyone?
Don't agree with that at all. Fernandes is a classy player and if it were a choice between the two, Fernandes has the little bit extra that sets him apart. However, if Van de Beek can play CDM then there's no need to choose - get both! V.D.Beek - Fernandes - Pogba. Sorted.
Perhaps. It’s just as likely he evolved as a player, though.
In some of the CL games this season he outperformed the likes of Frenkie and Ziyech.