Film Dune

[Cheimoon]

The Guardian give it five stars calling it “brilliant” and “sublime”.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/sep/03/dune-review-denis-villenueve-venice-film-festival

Radio-Canada was also very positive - although their article feels almost less like a review of Dune than a panegyric of Villeneuve (a French-Canadian). But they also comment that this is a sci-fi masterpiece, a passionate film that's a breathtaking visual experience and a love letter to cinema that reminds of Hollywood classics and includes memorable Kurosawa-like fight scenes. (To quote from across the article.) Here is the full review (in French):

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1821508/dune-critique-lettre-amour-denis-villeneuve-cinema

 

[Scarlett Dracarys]

Sometimes you just have to ignore the critics and go see for yourself. They might hate it but as a fan you might love it.

 

[Wibble]

It is actually a two-parter. Still nog a trilogy, but it's not a single film.

Assuming the first one earns enough to get the second part made.

Blade Runner 2049 was brilliant but didn't earn enough to get the next film made most likely.

 

[Cheimoon]

Assuming the first one earns enough to get the second part made.

Blade Runner 2036 was brilliant but didn't earn enough to get the next film made most likely.

Yep - assuming there is something to the super positive review, it would be quite the bummer to have to content with only part 1... I'll have to do my part and go see it in cinema! (Funnily, the last film I saw in a big cinema was Villeneuve's Bladerunner. Since then, I have only been going to smaller films in our local second-run cinema.)

 

[Wibble]

Yep - assuming there is something to the super positive review, it would be quite the bummer to have to content with only part 1... I'll have to do my part and go see it in cinema! (Funnily, the last film I saw in a big cinema was Villeneuve's Bladerunner. Since then, I have only been going to smaller films in our local second-run cinema.)

Frustrating when great films are underappreciated and don't get sequels yet often almost unmatchable superhero bollocks earns billions resulting in never ending sequels.

 

[Cheimoon]

Frustrating when great films are underappreciated and don't get sequels yet often almost unmatchable superhero bollocks earns billions resulting in never ending sequels.

It's what the Guardian article said: Villeneuve marries arthouse with blockbusters. The problem with Bladerunner is that this displeased a lot of cinephiles (it's too superficial!) as well as blockbuster fans (it's too slow and quiet!). For the sake of the sequel, I hope he found that balance this time.

 

[Wibble]

It's what the Guardian article said: Villeneuve marries arthouse with blockbusters. The problem with Bladerunner is that this displeased a lot of cinephiles (it's too superficial!) as well as blockbuster fans (it's too slow and quiet!). For the sake of the sequel, I hope he found that balance this time.

I though he got the valance just about right tbh. Hopefully Dune doesn't get ignored the same way.

 

[Cheimoon]

I though he got the valance just about right tbh. Hopefully Dune doesn't get ignored the same way.

I meant commercially. I mean, I also liked Bladerunner on the whole. (Even if I thought it was a big too drawn out and the soundtrack was too loud. But pretty good otherwise and gorgeously shot.) But given the turnout in cinema, he didn't have the balance right from a commercial point of view and that's what will determine the making of the Dune sequel.

 

[Sweet Square]

The Guardian & Empire both gave it 5 stars, it's hardly doing bad with critics.

 

[FrankDrebin]

The thing is Dune, much like BR, has quite a specific cult following. It hasn't got mainstream appeal like, say, Star Wars or Star Trek. I think the producers/ studio, those financing the movie and the reputation Dennis has within the industry know that this DUNE adaption likely wont bring in hoards of people.

I predicted, and I think this is the case again, this will do similarly to Dennis BR sequel, which I enjoyed.
largely critically acclaimed yet the box office will be a tad underwhelming.
But this is THE big film coming out since covid, so maybe the box office will be surprising.

 

[Vidyoyo]

I've never understand the idea critics should be listened to. I'm sure they're knowledgeable about film as they watch lots of movies but they're just expressing their opinions at the end of the day, which naturally diverge as there's no single criteria for what makes a good movie. Critics only do a good job when they bring attention to films that would otherwise get overlooked and don't have a humongous advertising campaign already telling us they exist.

 

[SinNombre]

I really really hope so. I despise the first movie but adore the book (singular, most of the follow ups are bordering on unreadable), so I am desperate for this to be good.

Everything after the first book is unreadable.

Most sci-fi and fantasy series have this problem.

 

[WI_Red]

Everything after the first book is unreadable.

Most sci-fi and fantasy series have this problem.

Dune Messiah was decent and Children of Dune was Ok, but starting with God Emperor is fell off a cliff and that's not even considering the money grabbing pig shit his son has released.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Is Frank Herbert's son a good writer ?

 

[Organic Potatoes]

I've never understand the idea critics should be listened to. I'm sure they're knowledgeable about film as they watch lots of movies but they're just expressing their opinions at the end of the day, which naturally diverge as there's no single criteria for what makes a good movie. Critics only do a good job when they bring attention to films that would otherwise get overlooked and don't have a humongous advertising campaign already telling us they exist.

You don’t want to hear opinions from people who watch a lot of movies before spending your money on one?

 

[Vidyoyo]

You don’t want to hear opinions from people who watch a lot of movies before spending your money on one?

Not even slightly. If a film looks interesting in terms of the topic, director, actor, etc then I'll happily go watch it. Life is all about risks.

 

[duffer]

Is Frank Herbert's son a good writer ?

No. The Dune books he wrote are so, so bad.

Let's say you love The Sopranos, imagine they re-boot it with James Corden as Tony and it's written by Stephanie Meyer. That's how I feel about the prequels his son wrote.

 

[kps88]

Not even slightly. If a film looks interesting in terms of the topic, director, actor, etc then I'll happily go watch it. Life is all about risks.

You also shouldn't judge a book by its cover. You could be missing out on some great stuff if you completely ignore all critics.

 

[Cheimoon]

You also shouldn't judge a book by its cover. You could be missing out on some great stuff if you completely ignore all critics.

Also, critics can give you an idea of the movie that will help you figure out if you might like it. Sometimes critics completely pan a movie, but from their comments I can tell that it could be a good one for me - and vice versa. (Or rather for my wife, whose opinions are often diametrically opposed to what critics think.)

 

[FrankDrebin]

No. The Dune books he wrote are so, so bad.

Let's say you love The Sopranos, imagine they re-boot it with James Corden as Tony and it's written by Stephanie Meyer. That's how I feel about the prequels his son wrote.

Yep, just browsed the web and the DUNE fans generally dislike his work.
The consensus seems to be that Brian Herbert seems to be abit of a hack and just riding on the coattails of his fathers and DUNE's success.

It went from a nuanced series, and granted the later frank books could be convoluted, but jesus. His sons interpretations were such Michael Bay money grab. It was drivel built for income.
It went from abstract art to crayon drawings of optimus prime fighting the decepticons.

 

[Drainy]

Yep, just browsed the web and the DUNE fans generally dislike his work.
The consensus seems to be that Brian Herbert seems to be abit of a hack and just riding on the coattails of his fathers and DUNE's success.

Didn't he retcon the cause of the Butlerian Jihad to make it basically Terminator?

 

[duffer]

Didn't he retcon the cause of the Butlerian Jihad to make it basically Terminator?

Terminator meets transformers.

He named a robot leader "Omnius Prime". Shameless shit.

 

[Drainy]

Terminator meets transformers.

He named a robot leader "Omnius Prime". Shameless shit.

I guess the hinted at lore of 'the controllers of computers making people reliant on them then manipulating information to control people' backstory became too real

 

[Sylar]

I've never understand the idea critics should be listened to. I'm sure they're knowledgeable about film as they watch lots of movies but they're just expressing their opinions at the end of the day, which naturally diverge as there's no single criteria for what makes a good movie. Critics only do a good job when they bring attention to films that would otherwise get overlooked and don't have a humongous advertising campaign already telling us they exist.

I think general feeling amongst critics is better as opposed to reading one specific critic and reading it completely.

I've seen some critics who seem to just open a thesaurus and put any obscure word they can and it's always funny.

For me, having an average can be helpful for movies that aren't the big named ones For one like this I was planning to watch regardless so a critic opinion doesn't matter to me

 

[Simbo]

Can they feck off with reviews 2 months before its released please..

 

[Salt Bailly]

I'm halfway through the book at the moment and that tweet about the story needing a "weird" director makes no sense. It's standard sci-fi fare (by today's standards), elevated by a truly great writer.

If the second half gets all trippy and weird I'll delete this post.

 

[FrankDrebin]

If Dune was 'trippy and weird' I would've continued reading it.

 

[Salt Bailly]

If Dune was 'trippy and weird' I would've continued reading it.

Frank Herbert's gonna need some cream for this burn.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Frank Herbert's gonna need some cream for this burn.

Don't get me wrong, I admire the world building. Absolutely fascinating. But I found the world and the characters too stoic, plus reading each characters thoughts became quite grating after a while.

Lets also just say , I can totally see why the studio opted for a Director like Dennis for this new adaptation.

 

[Drainy]

Lets be honest, even if by some miracle this is successful and gets a sequel there is no way they will stick to the plot of any books after the first one.

 

[nimic]

Don't get me wrong, I admire the world building. Absolutely fascinating. But I found the world and the characters too stoic, plus reading each characters thoughts became quite grating after a while.

Lets also just say , I can totally see why the studio opted for a Director like Dennis for this new adaptation.

I just want Blade Runner 2049 in the desert and with sandworms.

 

[Drainy]

I just want Blade Runner 2049 in the desert and with sandworms.

You may be in luck

 

[Salt Bailly]

Beetlejuice's sandworms will never be defeated.

 

[Cheimoon]

Lets be honest, even if by some miracle this is successful and gets a sequel there is no way they will stick to the plot of any books after the first one.

As far as I know, the current film tells half the story of the first book and the sequel would finish that.

 

[Drainy]

As far as I know, the current film tells half the story of the first book and the sequel would finish that.

That is my understanding too, I meant if they were to do more films than that.

No way God Emperor for example would be adapted.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Does well in the box office/ streaming services, it'll get sequel.

 

[Salt Bailly]

Kinda depressing to think that if this doesn't make enough bank we're only gonna get half a movie.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Kinda depressing to think that if this doesn't make enough bank we're only gonna get half a movie.

Them's the breaks.

Edit: Saying that, the trailers may have done a decent job of being somewhat deceptive for the general public ,who would otherwise not go near such a genre, due to its showing off of its fancy special effects and action shots/sequences.

They're going to be in for a surprise.

 

[B20]

This will be the first movie I will go to the cinema to see since bladerunner.

 

[FrankDrebin]

This will be the first movie I will go to the cinema to see since bladerunner.

The original or the sequel ?
I saw BR2049 on its opening night. Small, intimate screening at Cineworld. A room filled by fans of the original. Dead quiet. Great experience.

But, regarding the last film I saw in the cinema, I think I'm in a similar boat. Can't remember watching anything since........oh, dear...I remember watching the last SW film.. oh god.