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Ed Woodward's house attacked by 20-30 balaclava wearing "United fans"
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Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Yeah I thought of that but I don’t think he’s short of a bob and can probably land a well paid job somewhere else
Thats the length people are willing to go because of hatred towards someone else.. Telling lies about a person so other people will think he's more inept than they actually are.
Its nothing new and more and more people buy into such things because of social media.
There are people in here in genuinly thinks he did this himself....
Yes.
But he will have to actually perform and prove his worth.
Blatant hooligans, fans or not, and their behaviour reflects (very) badly on the club for which they so keenly demonstrate their fanaticism. Being kind, they're clearly straight out of the pond.
As mentioned by various others, all they've really achieved is reducing the pressure that was building on Woodward in the media.
As mentioned by various others, all they've really achieved is reducing the pressure that was building on Woodward in the media.
She probably laughed it off and went to bed with a smile on her face since it was just a bit of fireworks. The kids probably thought it was really cool as well since they obviously will have no problem at all with a group of masked men coming to one of their houses a couple of days after hundreds of people have sang songs about how their father is going to die. We all know that this is one of those things that kids mostly shrug their shoulders at and never think about again.
So yeah, stop making such a big deal about it.
It's legal to protest, but it's definitely unacceptable and possibly illegal to stalk a man in his private home to protest work-related issues. Outside the office should be fine.
I’m sure it’s their first time
Discussing the event and accepting a discussion on some retarded half baked conspiracy theory allows a level of buy-in.
I’m not trying to suppress debate. But equally, not all voices should be heard.
The guy is inept on a football level. Suggesting he’s concocted some elaborate plan to curry some sympathy.... it’s ridiculous. Setting fire to the breeding ground for these ideas is ok by me.
Even the amount of minutes you and I have spent on three posts is more air time than these dafty’s should be given.
A crime was committed. Let’s not let anyone suggest it’s justified in any way, shape or form.
I don't see how you can put fire on your own house just to get some "positive" views on yourself iand how think this is even remotely possible... it's not even debatable.
That's a messed up way of looking at things guys!
It is wrong to go put a fire on someone's house like that. In any circumstances.
That's a messed up way of looking at things guys!
It is wrong to go put a fire on someone's house like that. In any circumstances.
Yes he will get a little bit of sympathy for the next week or so. It was a stupid step to make along with singing wishing he was dead.
Every life partner would say the same thing, hell nothing is worth losing your safety over. Nothing.
So, if you're a local Red you need to start giving a sh1t about the club and not just passively accept the mess that Woodward and co have made but don't sing anything too offensive in case you hurt his feelings. Also, blindly accept every bit of detail that the media feeds you about this incident (from the numbers involved to the extent of the damage caused) despite having doubted every previous piece of information that's come from the press, which was undoubtedly media spin.
Got it.
Got it.
Were you there?
Mate, you're free to sing whatever you want, but wouldn't it work the same for anything in the world?
Do you feel good singing something anti-Semitic, racist or xenophobic just because you can? Even more in a stadium for example?
Sure, you may be granted freedom, but I am sure you an agree that everything is not justifiable, right?
I don't really care about Ed W himself. Yeah if you want to sing he's to be hanged out, sure, go ahead.
I find that extremely weird to think that's OK, but as you said, that's your "freedom".
I am not saying we should restrict about everything, I think we need to find a balance and ideally, we would not need to because people would understand that.
And maybe that is a deeper discussion to have around what is actually allowed in the freedom we intend to have, whatever the topic.
But not everything should be allowed. I am not sure why this is debatable.
And there so many examples of why this is important... let's say a man wants to date a woman but get rejected and doesn't take that well.
Is he "free" to follow her and "force" her in your world? Or burn her house? Or take her life?
Is it "justified" if she is the CEO of Manchester United and she has somehow taken the blame for the current state of the club?
Is that the right way of thinking about this for you?
Is that house burning/attacking story all BS and all wrong? Alright, maybe.
However it is, I hope you can at least agree to say that those actions, when verified, should not be accepted and tolerated.
Yeah, there were 3 of us and the incendiary was a tea light from Tesco.
To compare what those people did to terrorist is to the extreme. Whilst I don’t condone the behaviour they have gone up to a gate a chucked some flares over it, that’s a bit different to blowing yourself up.
The way Gary Neville has put it is good. Better than 'oh no, why won't somebody think of the children!'
I don't disagree with much here. Decent summation of the issue.
Some will say he's excusing their behavior, but it's really just being matter-of-fact about it. Nobody is excusing it, but this was bound to happen regardless.
No sane person would justify trying to burn down someone's house or show up and physically threaten someone. That's not my point at all.
The same applies to racist or bigoted chants - they're not acceptable at football and, thankfully, I've not heard them at OT (with the possible exception if that terrible Lukaku chant that, ironically, a fair few posters were untroubled by).
Outside of that, I've come to accept that going to a football match is not the same as walking down the street, so most other chants are fair game, and it's accepted as such by most match goers. especially in the case of the vile cretins who've taken so much from the club.
A chant has to be brief and to the point. It's not a nuanced talking point. It's not a statistical breakdown of dwindling net spend, it's 10 seconds to get your point across as bluntly as possible. Do I care if the board are offended by this? Not in the slightest. In fact I hope they are. Knowing the fans' depths of feeling might even shake them into action - which is the whole point. And they're probably smart enough to know that nobody is building an actual bonfire for them, it's just an extremely forceful adaptation of an older song.
And I don't know if you've been to any games but it's liberating to speak your mind among like-minded company. It's one thing routinely tearing into Woodward on a message board from a thousand miles away, but it's another thing entirely to protect that frustration at him, en masse and in person. And vocal abuse he gets is entirely justified in that context.
As for the media's representation of last night, I'd be massively sceptical about the accuracy of their reporting because a) Woodward needs a PR win from somewhere and b) it's the media. They either falsify or exaggerate to generate clicks. We all know this, so why anyone would readily accept their account of last night's events is beyond me.
As for the stuff you said about hounding a woman who rejected you - I have no clue how that's relevant to this conversation.
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I will chip in. Some absolutely awful posters on here.
I don't like Woodward. But this is simply criminal.
Perfectly summarised.
Sometimes people just want any excuse to behave like animals, and these people are often cnuts.
Anyone who agrees with what these so called 'fans' did or justifies their behaviour in any way are just as bad. Imagine people calling for you to die and attacking your property for doing your job. Whether he or his kids were close by or not is besides the point.
Absolutely despicable.
For the last part, I was just trying to imply that freedom is not all about what you want, there's also a component of living together, hence my point. Of course, it's not exactly relevant in any other context.
I get that you're skeptical about the accuracy of the reporting, however, if they were to be accurate, I can only hope you are not OK with those behaviors.
For your point about the chants, I think it's one of those things where I prefer to not go there no matter what but I can see why some would do. One of the reasons I wouldn't go there is because I think often, people tend to get worked up with those things, and when that happens, a tragedy is not far away. However, it's a football game and we've always been there to have some fun so yeah, it's a tough call there.
Sorry, meant to use quotes.
The ‘Men in Black’ are no joke, Ed should be considering witness protection at this point.
Football matches aren't like society, where everyone should be considering each other's feelings are they? It's 2 tribal groups who often hate each other and remember every slight and failure. You wouldn't expect United v Liverpool to reflect a happy, considerate society would you?
I was fairly explicit about my thoughts on going to his house to cause damage or harm the guy - it's absolutely not OK. Under any circumstances.
Apologises if that wasn't clear.
I'm talking about what is acceptable to say at a game and my general suspicion about how the media reports anything United related, including this.
And tragedy isn't really far away is it? Statistically football matches are very safe places and, once it's over, the passion subsides and you go back to reality. It's a pretty heightened atmosphere but there's hardly any genuine threat. It's just words, most of which are forgotten within half an hour of leaving the ground.
Yeah I join you on that, but it's until there's something that goes wrong *sigh*.
However, thank you for making the point clear and I think I agree with you.
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I have a long history of disagreeing strongly with Neville, as many on here will already know. But I completely agree with him here.
He's bang on the money as far as I'm concerned.
The 20-30 people who attacked Woodward's house are not fans, but just idiots. They probably thought they were doing an action that would benefit the club, but they did the exact opposite. They've hurt the club. I hope they are all found and imprisoned. When they have been 20-30 people, it is only a matter of time before one of them is bragging down at the pub after a beer too much, and they are then reported to the police. They are going to end in the prison where they belong.
Thank God, no one was at home.
Thank God, no one was at home.
Yeah, you too. Cheers for your explaining your own POV so rationally.
I read this as a bit of a dig at Ed. "Everyone knows he's shit at what he does, doesn't give people the right to attack him". Comparing him to two other scenarios where someone has done shite at their jobs?
One is Neville explaining why it happened, the other is in reply to the muppets who say things like 'it's a nothing story' or 'having a flare thrown over your gate by a group of men wearing balaklavas is nothing to be upset about'. Two completely different things.
Who does this cnut think he is? Back in your fecking box you gobshite.
This was a bad move from whoever decided this. Yes Woodward has a lot to answer for in terms of the way the club has been run but to go to his house and do that is just completely appalling.
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