Ederson - Atalanta Midfielder | United sniffing around according to Jamie Jackson

saik said:
So we are looking at midfielders who are all workhorses first and foremost. Tonali, Tchouameni and now this guy. Not exactly known for their passing game.

Not sure if that's a good idea considering Mainoo isn't exactly a playmaker either.
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The no6 replacement for Casemiro first and formostly has a responsibility to snuff out attacks. Screen the defence and win back possession.

It will the no8 signing whoever that is. If it's not Anderson who'd id expect to be the stronger passer of the ball of the two.
 
saik said:
So we are looking at midfielders who are all workhorses first and foremost. Tonali, Tchouameni and now this guy. Not exactly known for their passing game.

Not sure if that's a good idea considering Mainoo isn't exactly a playmaker either
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Éderson's long passings stats are actually really impressive. If he can carry that on to Premier League, he could be a great asset because his defensive game is pretty solid. That being said, bringing it over to PL is no easy task, but it's obviously not impossible as we see players from foreign leagues signed by other PL clubs adapting easily all the time.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Maybe because we have an elite playmaker in Bruno.
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Let me rephrase that. We have no one like a Vitinha or Rodri or even a Gravenberch/Zubimendi who can control the play from deep with the required passing game and press resistance. Bruno is an attacking no.10.
 
I thought Ederson agreed terms with Atletico and even a price was agreed between the clubs(basically a done deal)?
 
dinostar77 said:
The no6 replacement for Casemiro first and formostly has a responsibility to snuff out attacks. Screen the defence and win back possession.

It will the no8 signing whoever that is. If it's not Anderson who'd id expect to be the stronger passer of the ball of the two.
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I much rather prefer players who are good on the ball first and foremost which means we'd be able to control possession better and lose the ball a lot less.

His stats in https://scoutlab.streamlit.app/ look alright though. Decent all around expect aerially which he sucks at. At 40m he should be an upgrade on Ugarte surely. If he's the additional midfielder coming alongside the one who would be Casemiro's replacement then I'd be okay.
 
I’ve said this before but he doesn’t even get picked for the worst Brazil midfield I have ever seen, he would absolutely not improve us.
 
Legendary said:
I’ve said this before but he doesn’t even get picked for the worst Brazil midfield I have ever seen, he would absolutely not improve us.
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Casemiro
Bruno Guimaraes
Joao Gomes
Andre
Joelinton
Douglas Luiz
Lucas Paqueta
Andrey Santos

I dont think there's any shame in not getting into the squad with the midfield above. Casemiro and Bruno are dead certs. Joelinton, Joao Gomes and Andre are playing at a good level in the Prem. Paqueta is class on his day and provides something the others don't.

Then the others aren't exactly rubbish either.
 
The guardian picked this up as well. Wondering if Utd are looking at it from an price perspective and it gives them more firepower to get more deals done this summer.

 
It feels a bit underwhelming, mostly because he’s out of sight, out of mind. But he’d actually be a perfect partner for Mainoo.

He’s essentially a taller João Gomes. That said, to really win fans over, he probably needs to come in alongside someone like Tchouaméni; on his own, he’s not exactly a headliner. Still, if it happens, it’s a very solid signing. He was basically handpicked as Bruno G’s replacement at Newcastle.
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
It feels a bit underwhelming, mostly because he’s out of sight, out of mind. But he’d actually be a perfect partner for Mainoo.

He’s essentially a taller João Gomes. That said, to really win fans over, he probably needs to come in alongside someone like Tchouaméni; on his own, he’s not exactly a headliner. Still, if it happens, it’s a very solid signing. He was basically handpicked as Bruno G’s replacement at Newcastle.
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Surely if Ederson came, he would be the no,6 and we wouldn't pursue tchaumeni then. We'd switch to the new no8, which if we can't get Anderson, might be someone like Alex Scott or Mathus Fernandes.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Casemiro
Bruno Guimaraes
Joao Gomes
Andre
Joelinton
Douglas Luiz
Lucas Paqueta
Andrey Santos

I dont think there's any shame in not getting into the squad with the midfield above. Casemiro and Bruno are dead certs. Joelinton, Joao Gomes and Andre are playing at a good level in the Prem. Paqueta is class on his day and provides something the others don't.

Then the others aren't exactly rubbish either.
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That's a strange thing to say; someone who's not in the top... 9 midfielders for his country is good enough for us? It's not even an impressive set of midfielders to compound matters.

Going from the best of the bunch to someone who can't even get on the list would be a depressing outcome.
 
If he's 35m odd, he would be a great squad option, but that would have to be the last physicality over technique midfielder we buy.
 
Great signing as a Ugarte replacement IMO. If we can sell Ugarte for the same price, it’s like a swap deal which doesn’t impact budget and improves squad options. Doubt he will be the primary target though.

Glad to see the club are planning as opposed to running after the shiny thing to sort everything, and then struggling when they are off form or get injured
 
Waste of money. We’d be trying to move him on next summer.
 
Didn’t we get all excited over him 2 years ago only to agree he was utterly underwhelming and didn’t want?
 
Find it hard to believe this is true, 40m for more squad filler. He’s nothing special in Serie A and would be more deadwood in no time.
 
Fortitude said:
That's a strange thing to say; someone who's not in the top... 9 midfielders for his country is good enough for us? It's not even an impressive set of midfielders to compound matters.

Going from the best of the bunch to someone who can't even get on the list would be a depressing outcome.
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I don't think its any worse than England and players like Alex Scott - who people want at United - can't get into England's squad.

England have:

Rice
Anderson
Garner
Mainoo
Henderson
Wharton

When you compare that to Brazil, as I said, I'd say it's pretty even in terms of quality. Rice and Anderson are the front runners, but neither of them have the experience and acolades of Casemiro. Bruno G could also get into get into most sides, in my opinion. Then you've got the others who are good solid options.
 
quite poor on the ball and will be exposed in the PL just like Ugarte.

We should not go anywhere near him.
 
I've never got the 'poor on the ball, new Ugarte' thing with Ederson. It's such a misprofile that it feels like a big game of telephone, repeated so much that it becomes true - like saying Van De Ven would be a good defender if he had pace.

Just watching him he's got a consistently nice first touch, he's very progressive and punchy with his passing - maybe verging on too vertical at times (but that's just Atalanta's style). He has standout upper body strength and uses it well out of possession and especially when carrying the ball.

Stats back it up. From the 24/25 season: shows that he's very forward-thinking, even compared to famously progressive midfielders.
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This season before the FBRef purge:
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For £35m, as part of the midfield rotation, it feels like a no brainer.

Games vs Barca and Madrid

 
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One thing we have to think about is that with our poor numbers in terms of first team midfielders next year, and hopefully the prospect of a lot of games in Europe and the domestic cups etc, it's going to be pretty obvious that we are desperate for centre mids and so we are likely going to get quoted silly money for whoever we target. If we can get a credibly good midfielder in for a decent price that should strengthen our hand in any further CM negotiations. I'm pretty sure Ederson would be better than Ugarte too. I might be better than Ugarte in midfield.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
I've never got the 'poor on the ball, new Ugarte' thing with Ederson. It's such a misprofile that it feels like a big game of telephone, repeated so much that it becomes true - like saying Van De Ven would be a good defender if he had pace.

Just watching him he's got a consistently nice first touch, he's very progressive and punchy with his passing - maybe verging on too vertical at times (but that's just Atalanta's style). He has standout upper body strength and uses it well out of possession and especially when carrying the ball.
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Thank you for posting this, largely tracks with what I’ve seen of Ederson whenever I’ve managed to catch an Atalanta match. He may or may not be a good option for us, but the refrain that he can’t pass or dribble was baffling to me. His stat set and role for Atalanta actually looks a lot like Elliot Anderson to me, so I can see why he’d be in consideration as a potential budget alternative/3rd midfielder type signing.
 
He's a back up bench level player if all our first choice midfielders are dead. He's far too lacking in the areas we need for me to be even remotely excited.
 
SirScholes said:
not sure I like the idea of dropping 40 mil of our transfer kitty on a squad player if thats his standard. Lets get the big guns then use what we have left
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I would hope that our squad players are worth minimum 40m. If we can find bargains, great, but nothing wrong with having squad players in this range.
 
I would love to have this guy with Alex Scott as our two cms bought this summer
 
Id honestly be surprised if he doesnt end up as a footballer next season
 
Judas said:
He's a back up bench level player if all our first choice midfielders are dead. He's far too lacking in the areas we need for me to be even remotely excited.
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Haha. You’re having laugh
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
It feels a bit underwhelming, mostly because he’s out of sight, out of mind. But he’d actually be a perfect partner for Mainoo.

He’s essentially a taller João Gomes. That said, to really win fans over, he probably needs to come in alongside someone like Tchouaméni; on his own, he’s not exactly a headliner. Still, if it happens, it’s a very solid signing. He was basically handpicked as Bruno G’s replacement at Newcastle.
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How do you handpick a replacement when the person hasn’t signed for them and the person they’re replacing hasn’t even left?
 
Uncle Mainoo said:
It feels a bit underwhelming, mostly because he’s out of sight, out of mind. But he’d actually be a perfect partner for Mainoo.

He’s essentially a taller João Gomes. That said, to really win fans over, he probably needs to come in alongside someone like Tchouaméni; on his own, he’s not exactly a headliner. Still, if it happens, it’s a very solid signing. He was basically handpicked as Bruno G’s replacement at Newcastle.
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Yeah only way I ever warm to this is if we still sign someone like Tchouameni or even Mateus Fernandes, if not then can declare myself completely underwhelmed by the signing
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
I don't think its any worse than England and players like Alex Scott - who people want at United - can't get into England's squad.

England have:

Rice
Anderson
Garner
Mainoo
Henderson
Wharton

When you compare that to Brazil, as I said, I'd say it's pretty even in terms of quality. Rice and Anderson are the front runners, but neither of them have the experience and acolades of Casemiro. Bruno G could also get into get into most sides, in my opinion. Then you've got the others who are good solid options.
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After Casemiro and Bruno G. Who are better than anything England have (by a distance), I don’t think the remainder match up in a pair off. Perhaps for the first time ever England has better midfielders than Brazil, which is more an indictment of the massive decline with regard to Brazil.

In other words, right now, being 9th worst for England is better than 9th worst for Brazil. But I guess it’s a matter of opinion, for me Brazil is close to its nadir, poor players relative to even modest standards by their regard.
 
The worry for me is that when I’ve seen him, his best attributes appear his physical ones. They’ll come to the fore a lot less in a more physically demanding league. Only need to look at how amazing Scott McT is in Serie A because of his amazing physical abilities to see how average Ederson may look in the Premier League.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
The worry for me is that when I’ve seen him, his best attributes appear his physical ones. They’ll come to the fore a lot less in a more physically demanding league. Only need to look at how amazing Scott McT is in Serie A because of his amazing physical abilities to see how average Ederson may look in the Premier League.
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If anything McTominay physical attributes were his best whilst at United, and it was his technical skills that needed refining.

I did want us to sign Ederson but he hasnt really refining his technical skills over the past few seasons and I think there's better options out there now.
 
Stinks of a flop, would prefer to stick with our premier league proven transfer strategy unless he’s dirt cheap
 
He is a good player, i would take him for 40m immediately. Very good allrounder. He doesnt get the juices flowing, as he is not flashy, plays for Atalanta and some of his stats are underwhelming, but i was impressed the handful of times i watched him for Atalanta. Since we need at least 2 midfielders, he would be a good option for a decent price.

Him not getting nominated does not mean much, maybe Ancelotti wants another profile. They have some players in the squad that dont make sense to me anyway.
 
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