That's the point. Mctominay's physical attributes were enough in the PL to make him a completely mediocre player. In Italy those physical attributes has somehow made him one of the best players in the league.
Ederson - Atalanta Midfielder | United sniffing around according to Jamie Jackson
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Because we have made so many from Italy ?
I think this is Atalanta looking to increase the fee with Athletico. He supposedly has already agreed terms with them.
Ederson is a good player - defensively strong, fairly quick, but he is more of a technically gifted player than a great passer of the ball. And he is never injured which is a big plus
Is this another Fred type transfer?
He is Atleti bound, according to Bergamo's journos.
I've never got the 'poor on the ball, new Ugarte' thing with Ederson. It's such a misprofile that it feels like a big game of telephone, repeated so much that it becomes true - like saying Van De Ven would be a good defender if he had pace.
Just watching him he's got a consistently nice first touch, he's very progressive and punchy with his passing - maybe verging on too vertical at times (but that's just Atalanta's style). He has standout upper body strength and uses it well out of possession and especially when carrying the ball.
Stats back it up. From the 24/25 season: shows that he's very forward-thinking, even compared to famously progressive midfielders.
This season before the FBRef purge:
For £35m, as part of the midfield rotation, it feels like a no brainer.
Games vs Barca and Madrid
Presumably he will be one of the main 2 CM's rather than just adding him as that rotational third option
Well that's a relief
Need UK sources for this, Italian only so far. So take with a pinch of salt
Romano saying we aren't that far along
Romano saying we aren't that far along
Contract expiring next year and apparently Atletico pulled out of the deal due to them wanting 45m. Kinda doubt it at that fee.
Either way would be the 2nd midfielder/Ugarte replacement. We'll have to sell Ugarte first..
Didn’t Cas recommend him to United as his replacement ?
If we can't get Tchouameni then this guy would be my 2nd choice over Baleba but wouldn't say no to either at this point, we need at least 3 midfielders to handle all the games next season
I believe that was Bruno G, if you were to believe reports. Unless the media have said similar things about Ederson as well.
Hopefully Conte will do us a favour again.
This is a supposed Wilcox preference. I'd be happy if it was cheap, considering the contract situation and doesn't hinder us from getting some more technical players. He should be supplemental to the midfield rebuild, not one off the main investments.
Sully Talkz backing up Matteo’s reporting.
There’s something in this, would be Ugarte replacement in my opinion
There’s something in this, would be Ugarte replacement in my opinion
Straight swap for ugarte would be acceptable
Would be fine with it in that case if the fee is nominal but not as one of the two main signings. And would still prefer a value youngster signing if there is a third midfielder brought in.
He's got nice close control. Would been highly beneficial with the pace of the league.
Is he actually good enough or another expensive bum? Why are only Atletico the only ones after him? Seems he can't even get into a really shite Brazil team.
He should be signed as a squad player at best. To expect him to be anything more than that will only lead to disappointment. It's quite easy to look decent on the ball in Serie A these days. He'll get half as much time here.
I also wouldn't even contemplate paying 40m for him with one year left on his contract. We've given Atalanta already enough of our money with little value in return.
Jim needs to demote Wilcox. His talent ID sort of sucks
He would be a Ugarte squad replacement rather than a first choice Casemiro replacement?
Romano says deal with Atletico collapsed because Atalanta want 45 million Euros. If we are paying that much, he'd be the 2nd midfield signing and that would be disappointing. If he's bought to be the 4th CM along with Kobbie and 2 other CMs then okay fair enough. But at 45 million I think he would be one of the 2 CM signings.
If Ederson is being signed as a replacement for Ugarte, then I’m fine with the transfer. Otherwise, we still need at least two more midfielders.
Like most folks on here, I think Utd need to move Ugarte on and sign 3 new midfielders.
If Utd were to sign Ederson for 40m or so, do you think that makes it more likely we'd end up with two or three new MF signings this Summer?
Emerson looks a good solid player no doubt, but would be a bit underwhelmed if it was just him plus one more.
If Utd were to sign Ederson for 40m or so, do you think that makes it more likely we'd end up with two or three new MF signings this Summer?
Emerson looks a good solid player no doubt, but would be a bit underwhelmed if it was just him plus one more.
I liked him a few seasons ago, but I think perhaps we should look elsewhere.
We should aim for higher talent potential in my opinion.
We should aim for higher talent potential in my opinion.
Not picking on you as such, but reading this forum, it feels like there is no midfielder that is good enough for United.
Has anyone else noticed this on the forum? Feels like the standards for an acceptable signing are insanely high right now.
Yes exactly, more like the 3rd / cheaper midfielder given the contract expiry and such. We will go big for something like a Tchouameni + M Fernandes regardless I think. Ederson will be the 3rd. I wouldn't dismiss links because we've been chasing this guy for a while now.
The data folks seem fine with the guy, the eye test folks are not. So there's something up here, but don't really watch Serie A enough to comment. If Atleti are interested and the fee is decent, then I'm sure he could do a job for us.
To a degree yes but most of the players we’ve been linked to so far are extremely mid.
But who is good enough? It feels like there is just no player on the market that will satisfy some folk.
Garner and Fernandes and a youngster punt is the dream for me this summer. Anderson and Tchouameni would be good gets but are unrealistic and would both cost a bomb surely. A lot of the others we’ve been linked with are extremely underwhelming.
Tchouameni and Anderson have got mostly positive feedback on here, however typically they're the two least likely signings of all that have been linked really. Madrid letting Tchouameni go seems very unlikely, and all indications are Anderson is heading to City.
Fernandes from West Ham has got mostly positive response.
Baleba, Wharton, Tonali, Ederson was very mixed, a lot of negative.
But yeah, standards are high on here, we've made so many poor signings over the last 13 years, in order to avoid any more the fans only want the best of the best only.
Very mid player and honestly nothing to rave about. I don't know what's our fascination with him. This reeks of the delap transfer push by wilcox.
The only way, this is acceptable of its no more than 30 million pounds and a back to an established no. 6 . Basically the alternative to spending 60 million on Baleba.
The only way, this is acceptable of its no more than 30 million pounds and a back to an established no. 6 . Basically the alternative to spending 60 million on Baleba.
Back when fbref was a thing, the data analytics people weren't a fan of him. Basically when it comes to midfielders they care about:
- Do they dominate touches and passes in quantity relative to their competition?
- Do they progress the ball with their passes regularly?
- Do they progress the ball with dribbling regularly?
- Are they press resistant, or statistically do they get dispossessed often?
- Are they involved defensively?
Also - unlikely to get him cheaper. As I said - Atletico pulled out of the deal as they wanted 45m with just 1 year left. Unless they change that stance, we aren't getting him either. He'd be pretty low on the pecking order for me anyway.
That's how it should be. You want to compete for titles, there are only going to be a couple good players on any given year that actually fit and have the talent. Vast majority of potential buys would be bad ones.
The fanbase has been far too charitable on most signings as well. The amount of praise heaped on atrocious buys on here...
The analytics liked Ederson's passing last year. Here's a Transfer Flow article from last summer advocating for United to by Ederson due to impressive numbers: https://www.thetransferflow.com/p/let-s-find-manchester-united-a-new-midfielder-db75
Seems like he can pass and progress the ball, but weak defensively. At 26, he's a pretty low ceiling player. I agree that if it's a cheap £25m buy, he can be a solid depth piece. At £40M+ though I think the price is too rich.
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Agreed. It’s infuriating. The CAF wants Ballon d’Or level, Lothar Matthäus and Ruud Gullit as our signings.
The market for us is slim. We need midfielders. People need to lower their standards. Doesn’t mean accepting mediocrity, but accepting what level of player is on the market for us.
While I agree that there's too much scepticism, the key is in your statement. The ones everyone would agree are good enough are not 'on the market'.
Ederson is an exceptionally skilled no 6. In the upcoming season, we will be competing in the UEFA Champions League, which necessitates not only English-style players but also European-style players.
Tchouameni is a 6, Ederson is box to box. The Brazilian is more like an Anderson so to speak ie he's decent in everything he does but he's not a specialist in anything. I think that if we're buying Ederson then he's neither Casemiro's nor Ugarte's replacement. He's the cover/competition for Mainoo