Edinson Cavani - Manchester United Player

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From my personal perspective, there is plenty of actual racism going around and everyone should fight it rather than making an example of an unintended and unfortunate mistake by someone who clearly did not make a racist comment.
This is the problem - it was a racist comment, but may not have had racist context. Making things 'acceptable' based on context gives justification to actual racism, which actually makes it dangerous.

To reiterate: it's very worrying that it need explaining
 

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I find it very difficult to believe he’d leave solely because of that one incident, although it seems his father is still quite upset about it. It’s much more likely that he doesn’t see himself being the main striker for Man Utd this season or next. He’s played the equivalent of 10 games in terms of minutes out of 28 games so far in the PL. Coronavirus and subsequent restrictions on seeing family, combined with the weather and the inability to socialise in Manchester as he must have done in Paris seem more likely reasons to leave.
 

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Wish we could get 1 more season out of him. however, if it prevents us from signing a top quality striker like a Haaland then he can go.

But if we are only looking to sign Haaland when his release clause is active in summer 2022 then having Cavani for another year isn't a bad shout, providing we strengthen other areas of the pitch too.
 

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This is the problem - it was a racist comment, but may not have had racist context. Making things 'acceptable' based on context gives justification to actual racism, which actually makes it dangerous.

To reiterate: it's very worrying that it need explaining
I guess the Spanish needs to change their language just so sensitive sobs don't get offended over nothing.
 

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It was interesting to see this in the article on SSN:



Not verbatim or else it'd be a quote, but it does go to show that some countries are well behind in social terms, if that's the view.

There's a difference between "being racist" and saying things that are insensitive or can be interpreted as such. That seems to be the mistake he made, but I assume that's been lost on him. Certainly explaining 'it isn't racist because we say it all the time' is the kind of thing that people bash old people for using as an excuse for saying non-PC things.

It's a bit like an Aussie going to the US and calling everyone a "C" word and saying "We use it all the time at home - it's a thing you say to a mate". Culture has boundaries, and you have to respect them.
That's so wrong on so many levels. You would think that writing about such a contentious and relevant topic, you'd try to get your very basic points and analogies right, but you don't even manage to clear that bar.
They speak English in both Australia and the US, don't they?
 

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I guess the Spanish needs to change their language just so sensitive sobs don't get offended over nothing.
Every language has words that are inappropriate. This isn't a spanish word that sounds like a naughty word in another language (e.g. Negrito means table but people get offended because of what it sounds like), it literally means 'little black'. The argument is that it's perfectly, culturally, acceptable to use - it may well indicate that the culture in question is 'pending' positive change.

African Americans, especially in hip-hop/gang slang, may use the 'N' term with each other, but if Eminem used it as a term of endearment to Dr Dre on Instagram it would also get a bad reaction - even if Dre said "it's okay, that's normal for us".


Let's not forget that Suarez is the same age and nationality as Cavani, and used the same word with Evra. If you're saying that Cavani's is okay, then you're also saying that Suarez was wrongfully punished, right?
 

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That's so wrong on so many levels. You would think that writing about such a contentious and relevant topic, you'd try to get your very basic points and analogies right, but you don't even manage to clear that bar.
They speak English in both Australia and the US, don't they?
They don't generally speak Uruguayan Spanish in Manchester, where he works, no.
 

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This is the problem - it was a racist comment, but may not have had racist context. Making things 'acceptable' based on context gives justification to actual racism, which actually makes it dangerous.

To reiterate: it's very worrying that it need explaining
The term's first introduction to the UK was when Suarez was misquoted as saying it to Evra. He in fact said 'Negro' in an aggressive manner to a black man. They do use it as a term of endearment and it doesn't sit too well with me when its used to describe a black man in a friendly way. However its also used as a term of endearment for a man with darker features, i.e a white man with black hair and brown eyes. Are we now to understand that this white man with black hair's nickname, which he has had for his whole life, which he calls his son, is racist? Context is of course important. In English itself context is important. Even the term 'black' can be misused.
 

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Every language has words that are inappropriate. This isn't a spanish word that sounds like a naughty word in another language (e.g. Negrito means table but people get offended because of what it sounds like), it literally means 'little black'. The argument is that it's perfectly, culturally, acceptable to use - it may well indicate that the culture in question is 'pending' positive change.

African Americans, especially in hip-hop/gang slang, may use the 'N' term with each other, but if Eminem used it as a term of endearment to Dr Dre on Instagram it would also get a bad reaction - even if Dre said "it's okay, that's normal for us".


Let's not forget that Suarez is the same age and nationality as Cavani, and used the same word with Evra. If you're saying that Cavani's is okay, then you're also saying that Suarez was wrongfully punished, right?
Get your facts right about Saurez's incident before talking shit.
 

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The term's first introduction to the UK was when Suarez was misquoted as saying it to Evra. He in fact said 'Negro' in an aggressive manner to a black man. They do use it as a term of endearment and it doesn't sit too well with me when its used to describe a black man in a friendly way. However its also used as a term of endearment for a man with darker features, i.e a white man with black hair and brown eyes. Are we now to understand that this white man with black hair's nickname, which he has had for his whole life, which he calls his son, is racist? Context is of course important. In English itself context is important. Even the term 'black' can be misused.
No, again reiterating that this is not the argument. This isn't a black and white 'racist/not racist' argument. It is perfectly possible, and in this case the actual context, to say something as a non-racist person that can cause offence due to a racial context. The question isn't "Is person X racist?", but "Is what person X said appropriate?".

In this case, going to a country where racial discrimination is a more sensitive topic than his own, it wasn't an appropriate term to use. Did the club let him down? Probably? Do people actually think he's racist? No - it's never been stated.

Is it appropriate to use the term "negrito" in the UK/Europe? No, as has been demonstrated. You can see why, as 'allowing' a word that is highly likely to be used offensively would be giving a 'loophole' to actual racists who are misusing social media as it is.

As has been noted, it's a failing on the club to have briefed or anticipated such an issue ahead of time, and surely a cultural 'expert' could have seen it coming. My original point is that his father trying to say "it's not racist because we use it all the time" sounds like excuses people made in the 70's for various colloquial terms for skin colours, takeaways, and nationalities. Similarly, people using those terms were just using 'socially acceptable' phrases, but it wouldn't be okay for someone's who had been in a 40 year coma (using the 'acceptable culture out of its boundaries' example) to go to Spain and refer to people as 'darkie' or the myriad of terms that have filtered out of normal use due to their social insensitivity.

It would have been simpler to just have said "In my country it doesn't mean anything offensive, but I'm sorry if that's been lost in translation".
 

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It would have been simpler to just have said "In my country it doesn't mean anything offensive, but I'm sorry if that's been lost in translation".
Lost in translation? Cavani didn't translate anything, that's the simple, fundamental point which you don't seem to grasp.
Why would he need to apologize if someone else performs a lossy translation?
 

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I guess the Spanish needs to change their language just so sensitive sobs don't get offended over nothing.
Interesting point you’ve made here. Can’t say it’s right or wrong(context). Though I’d like to say in different languages/cultures a few offensive words are seen as normal but knowing it doesn’t sit well with the people they describe in other cultures.
This is not being touchy it’s public figures knowing that some of their very own sympathisers can be offended. We all use words or terms when with people close to us, we know they are offensive to others and thats reason why we don’t go around town ramming it down people’s throat.
It’s like spitting on someone and say to them grow up, it was a sneeze. These guys never use swear words in interviews after games because they know they shouldn’t, no matter how light hearted it is.
Or are the audience just sobby as well.
 

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I do not mind at all, if we lose him in the summer. He has played 2 or 3 really good games for us, but I don`t think, that he is good enough for this level any more. In many matches he is too anonymous and not dangerous enough. He offers our game something good as he is our only box-player. I would much rather have kept Lukaku rather than Cavani. Now I would rather get rid of Cavani and get us a quality box-player.
 

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Meh. Not too heartbroken.

Hope he contributes to the team for the remainder of the season, then he can head home to a certain degree.
 

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We should really keep Zlatan years ago, or be a normal football club and find proper long term reinforcement earlier. Just shows how insignificant last summer window of opportunity was.

Light in the tunnel if Edi will regain some form and fitness and carry us to EL final. At least that would be a proper send off for such a well known footballer.
 

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It's a real shame the way it's worked out, he would have been a massive cult hero a few years ago. The incident earlier in the season certainly hasn't helped either. To top it off, he hasn't even been able to witness the best away support in the country, it would have been scenes after Southampton.

Hope he at least gets to leave on a high note before the end of the season.
 

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Judging by the way we don’t cross or pass to him, it’s better for him if he leaves. The service to him has been appalling recently. We’ve seen what he can do if we feed him the right balls.....imagine if we got Haaland and our two wide front players kept cutting in and shooting instead of passing or crossing........
 

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It's gone as expected. Injury prone, bit wasteful, sheer quality at times showing exactly what we've long missed from a class CF, far too many games where he barely had a sniff of a chance.
 

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It's gone as expected. Injury prone, bit wasteful, sheer quality at times showing exactly what we've long missed from a class CF, far too many games where he barely had a sniff of a chance.
Couldn't have said it better
 

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What has happened to him, looked like a class player when he 1st started but looks ordinary now?
We have a way of not using strikers properly recently e.g. Lukaku, Zlatan, Alexis and even Martial
our strikers do not get a lot of chances and always seem to go looking for the ball because of the lack of supply to the strikers
 

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It's probably not a coincidence he's not really looked at it since the massive doubt over his future with us. That or the 10 million injuries have finally caught up with him. Looks like he's just cruising a bit now.
 

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Judging by the way we don’t cross or pass to him, it’s better for him if he leaves. The service to him has been appalling recently. We’ve seen what he can do if we feed him the right balls
i agree with this, he is probably shocked at what he has come into compared what he is used to. collected his money and can now go home
 

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I sense he is less motivated to play for us. No commitment to extend his stay and by all accounts upset the club didnt support him enough over the 'racism' claim against him.
 
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I sense he is less motivated to play for us. No commitment to extend his stay and by all accounts upset the club enough over the 'racism' claim against him.
Just to revisit this, if I were in his shoes I'd be so much angrier at the false accusation and stupidity of reasoning from FA. Wouldn't blame him one bit from being put off there.
 

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I sense he is less motivated to play for us. No commitment to extend his stay and by all accounts upset the club enough over the 'racism' claim against him.
If he is upset by that, perhaps he needs to read the room because United as a brand is bigger than Cavani and potentially going down the same route Liverpool did with Suarez would be fecking stupid.
 

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Just to revisit this, if I were in his shoes I'd be so much angrier at the false accusation and stupidity of reasoning from FA. Wouldn't blame him one bit from being put off there.
Or he could blame himself for not thinking about the potential trouble it could land him in. We're not exactly in Uruguay now, are we?

He's done ok this season but if he leaves he leaves. Not sure anyone at the club will lose sleep.
 

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Or he could blame himself for not thinking about the potential trouble it could land him in. We're not exactly in Uruguay now, are we?

He's done ok this season but if he leaves he leaves. Not sure anyone at the club will lose sleep.
He spoke in Spanish to a player on Instagram and used a term, which in their language does not insinuate anything racist.

You don't punish people for saying words that 'sounds like it can be racist' in English. That ironically stinks of ignorance. Your comment "you're not exactly in Uruguay" is just daft, suggesting people should only speak in English connotations while living in England. What sort of logic is that?
 
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He spoke in Spanish to a player on Instagram and used a term, which in their language does not insinuate anything racist.

You don't punish people for saying words that 'sounds like it can be racist' in English. That ironically stinks of ignorance. Your comment "you're not exactly in Uruguay" is just daft, suggesting people should only speak in English connotations while living in England. What sort of logic is that?
It means that had he done it in Uruguay, he may not have got in trouble.

But guess what? He's in England. Different culture, different rules, etc. Therefore, as I said before, think before putting something on instagram. Its simple!
 

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He's stupid of he thinks United should have done more for him over the race issue.
 

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It means that had he done it in Uruguay, he may not have got in trouble.

But guess what? He's in England. Different culture, different rules, etc. Therefore, as I said before, think before putting something on instagram. Its simple!
You stink of ignorance in your post. If you're not saying anything racist, you should not have to be careful, regardless of if you're in England, Uruguay or Spain. To be clear the culture in England is not to limit dialogue in native tongue, especially when it's to do with a private conversation between A & B on instagram. So your point about different culture here vs other countries is just wank. The FA deciding to ban him doesn't vindicate any stance, they are known to be rotten from pretty much any angle themselves. An organization riddled with systemic racism, ignorance and sexism who have no real grasp on what is or isn't racist or how to tackle the problem themselves.
 

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Personally I'd rather he went, as we need better, and it might force our hand to get a striker, if he stays there's no chance.
 

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You stink of ignorance in your post. If you're not saying anything racist, you should not have to be careful, regardless of if you're in England, Uruguay or Spain. To be clear the culture in England is not to limit dialogue in native tongue, especially when it's to do with a private conversation between A & B on instagram. So your point about different culture here vs other countries is just wank. The FA deciding to ban him doesn't vindicate any stance, they are known to be rotten from pretty much any angle themselves. An organization riddled with systemic racism, ignorance and sexism who have no real grasp on what is or isn't racist or how to tackle the problem themselves.
Ignorance? Because I said there are certain terms accepted in other countries and some not? Where am I wrong? Had he said it in Spain it may have been accepted because I know it's a term they possibly use more frequently. The fact is, as I said before, from Cavani's point of view, he needs to think about this before putting something on social media, especially a person with such a wide following.

It was silly of him and hopefully, he has learned from his mistake.