Hope not. We need to win
Eight Brazilian players might be ineligible to play this weekend
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These are the qualifiers for the world cup in the summer, not friendlies. If anything, they could have organized them in a neutral venue bubble in a green lit country.
Which is the problem, neither are good enough on their own to do a job. The bottom line is, if either one play, they are very very inconsistent. Unfortunately, Matic is just as inconsistent so one of them has to play.
Or neither of them have another proper midfield player to partner them at the club?
Yeah, I get that too. You have to admit though, neither are top class midfielders who can do what we need in the middle.
We either need a destroyer who will mop everything up ala Ndidi, Fabinho, Fernandinho, Kante or we need a ball playing DM like Jorginho, Rodri, Veratti.
If it means the Dippers cannot play Alisson, Fabinho and Firmino, I am all for this.
Joke of a punishment.
You have to add hefty fines on top for it to have any effect.
You have to add hefty fines on top for it to have any effect.
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What a mess.
I really hope we have a better legal reasoning than "errr PANDEMIC" if we're gonna field Alisson and Fabinho without resolving the issue beforehand.
I don't think the clubs have a way of out this one with that argument, I think it is mostly setting the battleground for the next international break
Clubs purposedly/intentionally/knwoingly broke the rules, it would be a joke if they don't get the punishment after the federations presented the complaint. It was surely a calculated risk, given that the players would have faced 14 days isolation if they had come, against a 5 day ban if they didn't...
I understand both the NTs and the clubs in this, hope a better arrangement is achieved for the next breaks.
Legally, the clubs do not have a problem to fight this.
There is no way that FIFA can actually enforce that in the UK.
The question is rather whether the FA would try to enforce possible punishments in the UK?
Nice, first step in eliminating Liverpool from club football.
The FAs are associated with FIFA, they are under FIFA rules, that's why football rules are mostly the same everywhere...
Of course the clubs can try to force FIFA's arm as much as possible, given they clearly have power, threaten with the superleague again or whatever... but the rules or legal ground is there, clubs must release the players, they didn't, they can't act surprised now
there is no source on suarez being deported. all i see is that fifa removed his credentials to go to stadium and team hotel
Liverpool believing something doesn't apply to them?
I will not have it!
I will not have it!
Crap…so Fred can’t play?
Premier league > Brazil.
What happens if Liverpool challenge that in a proper court in UK?
They are punishing their own players by not letting them play.
you mean outside football? Well I am not lawyer so I don't know, but I would say a court outside football has nothing to do in this case... I am not sure where are you going to... what would the grounds be?
Let's hope DVB gets a start.
The federal police showed up at the team hotel to instrument it. They removed his credentials, made him pack his bags on the spot, removed him from the hotel, and escorted him to an airport from which he flew back to Uruguay (yes, there's a plane waiting for him, one he clearly hadn't booked for).
There's photos of all that, albeit not the easiest to google 7 years later (I just keep getting hits of the latest issue).
If that's not deportation I don't know what is. They could argue it wasn't official, that it was an invitation to leave (or else), but it sure as feck wasn't a voluntary or planned action.
He wasn't even allowed to train with Barca or go to the Nou Camp until around September, it wasn't even limited to the World Cup. Completely lost the plot, more so than Suárez did himself (which takes some doing).
Why didn’t you just ask for compensation from the clubs? Or the English government who are the ones enforcing the rules? I’m willing to bet these guys wanted to play and had to be talked out of it like Cavani, because massive COVID risk and remember who’s paying you etc
Problem is they'll break the rules then any fine/punishment will be applicable to all English clubs.
This row is going to make for a challenging t-shirt design.
Punishing players who wanted to play for their national teams but couldn't because of covid regulations ? Stupid fecking rules
No worries. Let them go next time, just on charge wages for all games missed to the Brazilian FA and watch them pipe the feck down real quick.
Free the Liverpool 3 or they’re will be printed T-shirt’s
Wages this, wages that.
That's the deal, players get released for internationals, always has been. The only new thing is the government decided to extend player unavailability. Your government, your problem, just like with taxes. Clubs don't have a leg to stand on there.
Brazil triggering the 5-day punishment makes it all more controversial, but the entire business model behind FIFA and int'l competitions is anchored on players having to be available for certain tournos and their qualifiers.
No, but expect "Matic" to be a few feet shorter and have a very dark tan.
Is this official that they will miss games?
I think pretty early on it was getting obvious that some, if not all countries were going to quarantine, Fifa should have planned for that.
Asking hundreds of players and staff to do international round trips, repeatedly, is crazy.
It's everyone's problem. All 3 parties involved (club, player, NT).
If a government decides for national health reasons to quarantine that's their perogative. The clubs have decided not to release their players under the circumstances. I think going forward they will still prefer to take the 5 day hit rather than the 14 day one. Everyone just trying to do whats best for themselves with no easy solutions if government wont change their policy.
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It's just the UK though, isn't it? Agree with the point anyway, they spent the whole 2020/21 season cancelling fixtures and it was clearly going to catch up with everyone at some point.
In Conmebol's case, once the Copa in Colombia/Argentina was cancelled they could have had more qualifiers instead of setting one up in a rush in Brazil. Of course, no Conmebol FA would have voted that.
Have you heard about any plans to scrap the CL, EL and Conference League? Why not?
Less of a travel around Europe, compared to going to the other part of the planet.
The clubs and UEFA follow rules laid down by the country. For example, last year's certain matches were played in neutral venues.
Easier for clubs to contain and monitor their players in one bubble.
Can't believe you are even making that comparison.
What I don't get is why they were effectively having an extra Copa America anyway. They had a Copa America in 2015 and 2016 and then again in 2019, so why was one schedule for 2020? And if it had to be delayed you're right given they'd had one the year before why didn't they cancel it?
Of course it is. Oddly though, this week several clubs are going to visit or host foreign teams that didn't quarantine at all. Good thing we are hosting Young Boys and not PSG.
They don't have the right to do so, FIFA statutes make it crystal clear.
Probably. They will make a fuss about it, but it's indeed a choice of government quarantine or FIFA sanction. Can't have their cake and eat it.
Maybe they should have put more consideration and tried to work out options with the NTs? They didn't, they just decided they paid the wages so NTs could go feck themselves.
Despite Ole making a pig's ear of it in public with his Norway reference, I do know privately the club made a pretty good case, which was the reason Cavani didn't get called up in the first place.
We have the first secretaries of Foreign Affairs and Health both tasked with the Free Cavani mission. We actually know whose job (and political win/loss) it is to sort this out
Liverpool fans will look up Bolsanaro's old tweets to find something offensive he said and get him cancelled
Shorter distances but bigger numbers, more frequently and less efficiently (one game, not three). Maybe they should just scrap it and play the entire CL/EL/Conference inside a month. Some Covid-free country could host it all. Bizarre nobody suggested this, from what I read it's the solution to international football.
Or maybe the UK government should trust the clubs to handle it well and safely, as you say above. It's not regular John Doe travellers that get home and then go to the local Asda to fill the fridge, then off to a pub to scream loudly at people.
Watch him have a stormer and and then something will go in off of Raheem's arse in the 98th minute.