Eight games away from another disastrous season under Ole

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so Klopp is at Liverpool and Pep is at City? So we can’t have them managing us. I’m not saying there aren’t more experienced managers out there. But we went for Jose and we went for LVG, and that didn’t work. Throwing £100ms away in the process.

If you somehow expected OGS to be challenging for the league after 18 months, arriving season after Jose’s meltdown then that’s utterly insane, and a ridiculous argument to hit him with.

He’s got rid of crap like Lukuku, Fellaini, Valencia and Sanchez. He’s moved on Smalling and Rojo at least temporarily and Young as well. He’s changing the culture and has got the best out of Fred, McTominey, Shaw and Martial - all of which were faltering under Jose.

His signings of Ighalo, AWB, James, Maguire and Bruno have all been successful.

if you think this is just a marginal improvement, then I’m not sure we watch the same team.

Ole was a Utd legend as a player, he’s not particularly one of my favourite players - clearly there is an unbelievable conveyor belt of great players you could choo

remind me what experience Guardiola had at Barcelona, Lampard at Chelsea, Zidane at Real? Again not comparing per se, but experience is not everything. Younger people with less experience come into management ahead of experienced people all the time - that’s a very old school way of thinking. Get over it.

we have made a great deal of progress from the foundations of the club since he’s come in.

1987 BTW is when I started supporting the club. But your attitude seems to be longevity is more important.

I’m part of the ole out brigade but I’m also getting bored of these continuous threads. However I got a warning for saying less than you did in the above post about the ole in brigade. Reading your post makes me cringe.

We have come on immensely over the last 18 months..... are we Man Utd or wast ham Utd? Have your standards dropped that much.

I am bitter and twisted because I am a true Utd fan. I started supporting Utd in 1983 and it was tough with the scouse continuously lauding it. When we finally deposed them it was the happiest day of my life and still is. It’s a religion and when you see your club in the state itwas back in 83, inconsistent as hell with mediocre players like Clayton Blackmore and then players like Colin Gibson coming in, you can understand why we didn’t win the league. We played a midfield of Colin Gibson and Mal Donaghy one match.......

But this team are more talented and are producing the same inconsist performances as the mid eighties teams and they don’t have to play on a quagmire like the players used to in the mid eighties where the pitch was half mudafter rugby league matches.

There is no excuse and it isn’t good enough we aren’t improving it’s just better players with slightly better attitudes (as you’ve suggested) and nothing to do with the coaching. This squad aren’t just relying on Robbo like the eighties squads used to there are better players in this squad but the end result is the same.

I want a manager with pedigree. I was screaming for Klopp when SAF left. You can’t compare ole with Klopp. Klopp is on another stratosphere and you want ole? Any chance he’s one of your favourite players because of the 99 final? Cos let’s face it we’ve had much better strikers at Utd than ole (he was the best finisher of the lot in my opinion but not the best striker)

Love UTD and nothing else, the legend is the club itself not one player and no real football fan can say that OGS has earned the right to manage this legend.

I worked my backside off in my industry to get to where i got to and a few months later some jimmy turns up at my company on the same pay grade with half my experience and qualifications and this wouldn’t happen normally. I did some digging and it transpired his dad knew the director of the department and they were friends.......

Ole’s Appointment as manager is similar and he is benefitting from privilege rather than earned the right to be where he is. It’s come too soon for him, and just one of many points, how long does it take a manager and his defensive coaches to teach professional footballers to hold a straight line? If ole isn’t coaching them why has he not sacked whoever is? He is guilty of this alone.

Earn the right to be at your level do not benefit from privilege. Ole’s appointment was a simple ploy by Woodward to placate some fans. It seems it’s working

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I think this is about right. Our options at fullback and centreback aren't really good enough, we also need a #6, a RW, the goalkeeping situation satisfactorily resolved and one of Martial/Rashford to explode and become a top tier goal threat. Questions remain about Solskjaer's ability to coach a side that can amass 95+ points.

A lot of unknowns and a lot of work to do in the transfer market, at a time when the club's finances will already be stretched. People hoping for a title challenge, will need to be patient for a while longer.
I think this is how you argue that we probably won't directly challenge City and LFC atm. I'm not in love with the 3/4 of the defence that isn't AWB, for the purposes of defending anyway.

But again, if you can't see the progress of the last 2-3 playing months, what have you been watching? Before that was grim at times, admittedly.

Next season HAS to be Top 4 but I don't think this one does. But it looks like we might do well and possibly win something (with an asterisk, obvs)
 

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Again did Ole know Pogba would miss half the season ? He's a creative midfielder and one of the best around so why wouldn't he sort out the defence ? We wouldn't be challenging for 4th without those 2 signings and God knows where we would be with Pogba fit all season
Ole knew that he was going to rely on an unhappy player, who happens to have a devious agent as his only outlet of creativity. One injury and our season risked to be seriously delayed. Instead of tackling that problem we preferred to spend 130m on two defenders one of whom was paid 80m in cash. That was a mistake whether you accept that or not.

My stance about Ole is this. If he makes it to CL qualification then he stays. If not then he leaves. I think that's realistic and fair enough.
 

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Season is still not over for us/Club to evaluate how successful/disastrous the season has been. In my view

Great season:
1. Finish 3rd
2. Win in europe
3. Win FA cup

Good season
1. Finish top 4
2. Win one cup

Average season
1. Top 4

bad season
Outside top 4
 

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Season is still not over for us/Club to evaluate how successful/disastrous the season has been. In my view

Great season:
1. Finish 3rd
2. Win in europe
3. Win FA cup

Good season
1. Finish top 4
2. Win one cup

Average season
1. Top 4

bad season
Outside top 4
What kind of season is it we finish 6th, but win both Cups?
 

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I wonder how this forum would’ve judged SAF during his first few years... finishing 11th would see people marching with torches and pitchforks.
 

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All you have to do is to watch the way we are generally playing. There is a massive improvement since xmas and one media outlet last weekend put us joint 2nd with City on results since January.
Ole has proved he is not frightened to move players on and you cant get rid of all the deadwood in one go.
He has proved he can spot the players with the right mentality and ability.
He has proved he can build harmony in the club. When has there been any bad press over the last few months of infighting, players not happy etc?
He has proved he can improve players AWB, Fred, McTom, Martial etc.
He isnt frightened to give youth a big chance.
All positives. We wont win the league next year, but top 3 should be a realistic aim, along with being a lot closer points wise to the top 2. This should then give us the platform for a good go at wining it the season after.
 

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Many green shoots are appearing with this team. Mistakes were made by Ollie and the management team, but you have to be blind if can't see things are going the right way and it's because Ollie has a plan, the pace of the improvements is what we need to be increased. If we can reach the top four and win either or both of the Cups, it will be a great success for this team considering the changes and the injuries we had. What United and Ollie need now is WINS to show that we are turning the corner.

Positives this season
  1. Rashford is starting to establish himself as a leader, improvements in his goalscoring numbers
  2. Martial, Fred, Mctominay, Shaw form improvement
  3. Rejuvenation of Matic
  4. Players seem to enjoy themselves, no leaks from the dressing room that players are unhappy with the management.
  5. Defence improvement
  6. Wan back attacking getting better
  7. Bruno signing game changer. Other signing all successes.
  8. Pogba is looking like he wants to here. (world-class player but consistency problems)
  9. The emergence of Greenwood, William. Some major talent coming through the youth system, just need to go out on loan and gain experience.
  10. A lot of deadwood gone with a few more to go.
 

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Ole knew that he was going to rely on an unhappy player, who happens to have a devious agent as his only outlet of creativity. One injury and our season risked to be seriously delayed. Instead of tackling that problem we preferred to spend 130m on two defenders one of whom was paid 80m in cash. That was a mistake whether you accept that or not.

My stance about Ole is this. If he makes it to CL qualification then he stays. If not then he leaves. I think that's realistic and fair enough.
How would fixing a defense with the options we had at the beginning of season was a mistake? The evident this season shows that it is opposite. It is not his fault that the 2 previous managers bought some shit defenders. He had to start fixing it first and I doubt he thinks it is done yet.

As for attacking options, they did try to get the guy from Juventus and he didn't want to come. Should they have tried harder to get one more attacking players? Of course. But, is it Ole's mistake? And, they fixed it with Bruno in Jan.

Every manager would want more players if they can.
 

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How would fixing a defense with the options we had at the beginning of season was a mistake? The evident this season shows that it is opposite. It is not his fault that the 2 previous managers bought some shit defenders. He had to start fixing it first and I doubt he thinks it is done yet.

As for attacking options, they did try to get the guy from Juventus and he didn't want to come. Should they have tried harder to get one more attacking players? Of course. But, is it Ole's mistake? And, they fixed it with Bruno in Jan.

Every manager would want more players if they can.
We certainly needed some reinforcement in defence however spending 130m in defence was a bit OTT especially since we bought two decent but hardly WC players who offers zero creativity when going forward. We could have found cheaper and yet valid options which would have costed significantly less then 130m, 80m of whom is thought to be in cash. Regarding Dybala we were wasting time. He didn't want to come, his media rights weren't his and without them there's no way the club would have bought him. Every man and his dog knew that Dybala didn't owned his own media rights so I am surprised we wasted so much time on him.

I find this pro and anti Ole debates boring. The reason being that most are so polarised that they are almost childish. For pro Ole people, the guy at the wheel is a saint that can't do anything wrong. For the anti Ole he's a moron who is ruining United. The reality is somehow in the middle.
 

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Season is still not over for us/Club to evaluate how successful/disastrous the season has been. In my view

Great season:
1. Finish 3rd
2. Win in europe
3. Win FA cup

Good season
1. Finish top 4
2. Win one cup

Average season
1. Top 4

bad season
Outside top 4
IMV

Top 5 + ...
Good season -> win EL and FAC​
Fine season -> win EL​
Meh.. season -> win FAC​

Poor season -> just top 5​

:nervous: Rubbish bad S*** season -> out of top 5 (doesn't matter if we win EL and FAC, or just either one)

Season is far from over. The points differences are staggeringly over close.
 

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How would fixing a defense with the options we had at the beginning of season was a mistake? The evident this season shows that it is opposite. It is not his fault that the 2 previous managers bought some shit defenders. He had to start fixing it first and I doubt he thinks it is done yet.

As for attacking options, they did try to get the guy from Juventus and he didn't want to come. Should they have tried harder to get one more attacking players? Of course. But, is it Ole's mistake? And, they fixed it with Bruno in Jan.

Every manager would want more players if they can.
Possibly Ole wasn't backed by the club to get a CAM...

...either that or he was too confident that things will go well, and he over-trust Lingard. Remember his comments about Lingard's "personal issues at home". I think him not getting a CAM eg. Bruno at that time, summer last year is because of that. Lingard is at his best at CAM. Managers can have "special fondness" with certain players.. until they don't. It's like a sign of trust, no new CAM to compete = trust in Lingard. But his trust is misplaced, and it's too high risks.

Anyway, that's just speculation, if Ole actually had backings by the club and then he chose not to get Bruno, that's on him.
Nevertheless, it's over now and Ole with his team rectified it as quickly as he can in Jan.

For me, I agree with you, he should get a CAM at that time along with the trio Mag, AWB and James.
4 Players.
 

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Ole knew that he was going to rely on an unhappy player, who happens to have a devious agent as his only outlet of creativity. One injury and our season risked to be seriously delayed. Instead of tackling that problem we preferred to spend 130m on two defenders one of whom was paid 80m in cash. That was a mistake whether you accept that or not.

My stance about Ole is this. If he makes it to CL qualification then he stays. If not then he leaves. I think that's realistic and fair enough.

Well isn't it a good thing your opinion means absolutely nothing to Manchester United cause Ole will be going no where this season . We needed new defenders . People like you would be going mental if we hadn't signed Maguire or AWB because we would be sitting lower in the table without them. Bottom line the defence needed to be strengthened and we did it very well .
You keep quoting money as if it's a problem.
United can afford to spend these fees so you should relax and stop worrying about transfer fees .
Please stop using heresay as gospel. Firstly you where saying Longstaff was Oles number one target you dropped that pretty quickly when you realised you are making shit up and now you are running with Pogba was unhappy .
Like I said before how do you know Pogba was/is unhappy ? Do.you know Longstaff was even a target? Again you don't know you are using paper talk and using it to bash the manager .
 
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We certainly needed some reinforcement in defence however spending 130m in defence was a bit OTT especially since we bought two decent but hardly WC players who offers zero creativity when going forward. We could have found cheaper and yet valid options which would have costed significantly less then 130m, 80m of whom is thought to be in cash. Regarding Dybala we were wasting time. He didn't want to come, his media rights weren't his and without them there's no way the club would have bought him. Every man and his dog knew that Dybala didn't owned his own media rights so I am surprised we wasted so much time on him.

I find this pro and anti Ole debates boring. The reason being that most are so polarised that they are almost childish. For pro Ole people, the guy at the wheel is a saint that can't do anything wrong. For the anti Ole he's a moron who is ruining United. The reality is somehow in the middle.

Why do we need defenders who are creative? We have 2 of the most creative midfielders in the world .
I'm guessing you don't really understand football and you think because Liverpool play with fully attacking fullbacks everyone should . Have a look at how Liverpool allow these fullbacks to attack .
The midfield 3 is totally disciplined while our midfield has Pogba and Fernandes.
Good luck playing those to with creative defenders . I think it's possibly time to give up because this argument is starting to look a little embarrassing.
You keep saying posters are being childish yet you are the only one using paper talk as if its the truth haha.
 

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Ole knew that he was going to rely on an unhappy player, who happens to have a devious agent as his only outlet of creativity. One injury and our season risked to be seriously delayed. Instead of tackling that problem we preferred to spend 130m on two defenders one of whom was paid 80m in cash. That was a mistake whether you accept that or not.
My stance about Ole is this. If he makes it to CL qualification then he stays. If not then he leaves. I think that's realistic and fair enough.
Our defence had conceded 54 goals in all comps 50 in the PL the worst of the top 9 that season. Only a moron wouldn`t aggressively fix such a torrid defence first before looking at other positions. Bruno`s signing in Jan was evidence money for a midfielder was always there why we didn`t get him earlier is anyone`s guess my opinion Woodward was to blame for being too slow in negotiations cause Ole wanted a midfielder but our CEO`s slow negotiating skills handicapped him to accept one less signing than he hoped for.
 

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Why do we need defenders who are creative? We have 2 of the most creative midfielders in the world .
I'm guessing you don't really understand football and you think because Liverpool play with fully attacking fullbacks everyone should . Have a look at how Liverpool allow these fullbacks to attack .
The midfield 3 is totally disciplined while our midfield has Pogba and Fernandes.
Good luck playing those to with creative defenders . I think it's possibly time to give up because this argument is starting to look a little embarrassing.
You keep saying posters are being childish yet you are the only one using paper talk as if its the truth haha.
Liverpool FBs contributed to 20 of their assists. To put things into concept its more then the assists generated from Rashford, Bruno, Martial, Pogba, Matic, Fred, Greenwood and McT combined. Our defence produced just 4 assists this season which is less then all the assists produced by Digne, Aurier or Azpilicueta. TBF all our 4 assists came from Ole's signings however you expect more from a 130m pair.
 

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Our defence had conceded 54 goals in all comps 50 in the PL the worst of the top 9 that season. Only a moron wouldn`t aggressively fix such a torrid defence first before looking at other positions. Bruno`s signing in Jan was evidence money for a midfielder was always there why we didn`t get him earlier is anyone`s guess my opinion Woodward was to blame for being too slow in negotiations cause Ole wanted a midfielder but our CEO`s slow negotiating skills handicapped him to accept one less signing than he hoped for.
Last season we had a horrible season with Mou getting sacked after losing the dressing room and Ole taking over mid way. Our stats in defence reflects that. However the year before our defence conceded less goals in the EPL then this season (28 goals vs 31 goals) and the league isn't over yet.

Don't take me wrong I do believe we had to strengthen defence. However we shouldn't have blown 130m (including a rumoured 80m in cash) in a defence expecially since we ignored CM and RW that needed fixing as well.
 

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Liverpool FBs contributed to 20 of their assists. To put things into concept its more then the assists generated from Rashford, Bruno, Martial, Pogba, Matic, Fred, Greenwood and McT combined. Our defence produced just 4 assists this season which is less then all the assists produced by Digne, Aurier or Azpilicueta. TBF all our 4 assists came from Ole's signings however you expect more from a 130m pair.

What don't you get here ? United needed defenders who can defend can you understand that ? We have got this plus if you can't see that Maguire is capable of bringing the ball from defence then you either don't watch football or you don't understand it .
We have one of the best defensive records across Europe in all competitions this season yet you are going off on one because our new CB and RB are not creative enough ?
It's like saying Messi is shite because he doesn't defend enough .
I'm away to talk to my one year old about this because I've more chance of getting some sense out of them
 

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What don't you get here ? United needed defenders who can defend can you understand that ? We have got this plus if you can't see that Maguire is capable of bringing the ball from defence then you either don't watch football or you don't understand it .
We have one of the best defensive records across Europe in all competitions this season yet you are going off on one because our new CB and RB are not creative enough ?
It's like saying Messi is shite because he doesn't defend enough .
I'm away to talk to my one year old about this because I've more chance of getting some sense out of them
As said the defence needed strengthening but the defence wasn't as terrible as we make it up to be. In 2017-2018 (ie the last year Mou had control over the squad), our team conceded less goals in the EPL then this year (28 vs 31) and our team produced more goals in the EPL then this season as well (68 vs 48). The time when teams relied on 4 defensive players in defence is long over. Even SAF's first double side had more attacking flair (in Irwin) then this defence.

I understand that you may hate facts. Most anti/pro Ole fans are like that.
 

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As said the defence needed strengthening but the defence wasn't as terrible as we make it up to be. In 2017-2018 (ie the last year Mou had control over the squad), our team conceded less goals in the EPL then this year (28 vs 31) and our team produced more goals in the EPL then this season as well (68 vs 48). The time when teams relied on 4 defensive players in defence is long over. Even SAF's first double side had more attacking flair (in Irwin) then this defence.

I understand that you may hate facts. Most anti/pro Ole fans are like that.
No I hate BS. You have been using anything possible to have a go at the manager like he wanted Longstaff over Bruno that you know how unhappy Pogba is that our new defenders arnt great because they are not creative enough .
When anyone points out your BS you ignore it and bounce straight onto more made up BS.
If you watch United I'm not sure you do it says you are now a Juventus fan but if you do then I'm sure you seen AWB set up a goal this week ?
Our team is getting better in defence and attack as a unit .
Please don't spout BS as the truth behind your agenda to have a go at everything Ole .
Us fans who attend games see the good work being done at the club and we see the improvement in the team in the past year .
 

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We do look so much better with Bruno in the team. It’ll probably save Ole for another season, but in reality this squad should be comfortably top 3 with a decent manager.
 

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Thread title is misleading 'another disastrous season under Ole'. Two thirds of last season were certainly a disaster but only one third was under Ole.

Just saying..
 

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While we have improved considerably over the last few months,I still haven’t forgotten how abysmal we were for the first 6 months of the season.I”m still not sure if Solksjaer is the right guy to take us back to the top,but if we manage to qualify for next seasons CL,then he deserves to be given another opportunity to further improve the team next season.But if our performances remain inconsistent and if we fail to qualify for the CL,then our Board will have to make a big decision...
 

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This squad only existed once Fernandes and Ighalo arrived, since when, the form is good.

I feel like the hardcore Ole Outers, who are losing the argument big time atm, just like sagging Utd off, tbh.

If he freakishly wins the League then it collapses and OGS gets sacked they'll be here saying "I told you so."
 

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Might just be me but watching this team I see more promise and good things from it than the Jose side that finished 2nd. I have high hopes for this team and it looks like it’s heading in the right direction finally.

I would think next season is the real season to see what it generally has/is caps-able of. You add Sancho to that first 11 and to me it should be able to compete with anyone.
 

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Last season we had a horrible season with Mou getting sacked after losing the dressing room and Ole taking over mid way. Our stats in defence reflects that. However the year before our defence conceded less goals in the EPL then this season (28 goals vs 31 goals) and the league isn't over yet.

Don't take me wrong I do believe we had to strengthen defence. However we shouldn't have blown 130m (including a rumoured 80m in cash) in a defence expecially since we ignored CM and RW that needed fixing as well.
How much did we spend on the defence?
 

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Might just be me but watching this team I see more promise and good things from it than the Jose side that finished 2nd. I have high hopes for this team and it looks like it’s heading in the right direction finally.

I would think next season is the real season to see what it generally has/is caps-able of. You add Sancho to that first 11 and to me it should be able to compete with anyone.
Definitely. The team that finished 2nd got results far better than performances deserved, usually bailed out by De Gea heroics, this season has been the opposite.
 

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No I hate BS. You have been using anything possible to have a go at the manager like he wanted Longstaff over Bruno that you know how unhappy Pogba is that our new defenders arnt great because they are not creative enough .
When anyone points out your BS you ignore it and bounce straight onto more made up BS.
If you watch United I'm not sure you do it says you are now a Juventus fan but if you do then I'm sure you seen AWB set up a goal this week ?
Our team is getting better in defence and attack as a unit .
Please don't spout BS as the truth behind your agenda to have a go at everything Ole .
Us fans who attend games see the good work being done at the club and we see the improvement in the team in the past year .
you seem too emotionally invested on this to discuss it appropriately. So let's agree to disagree.

Regarding my tag, you do notice that tags aren't the gospel right? I got mine because I kept saying that United should have a CEO who understands football, a club legend as vice president and a top quality DOF just like Juve have instead of bankers. Oh well.
 
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We do look so much better with Bruno in the team. It’ll probably save Ole for another season, but in reality this squad should be comfortably top 3 with a decent manager.
That's not really the case. There's still many issues in this team to compete for a top 3 place. Sure it may happen just as Leicester were able to win the EPL title a few years back. However in normal circumstances we're not top 3 level and that's irrespective on whom the manager is.
 

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Strange thread. Going into this season we all knew we had holes in the squad, but that there was no chance of filling all of those holes in the 2019 summer transfer window. We picked up Maguire and AWB, both of whom have been brilliant, and in January we picked up Bruno, who has been brilliant. We've been without Pogba most of the season but now he's back. The De Gea problem, whatever its root cause, has not yet been solved, costing 4 points for sure since January.

This is a side that's heading in the right direction. We still have a few holes to fill, and to be fair Ole can improve his tactical decisions as well (Pogba was fit enough to start against Spurs, a clearly superior opponent than Sheffield) and management seems to have indicated a willingness to invest in the squad this summer.

There will be a time to moan should it all fall apart, but the time to moan is not now.
 

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It's not a good season because we may miss the cl spot. Partly it's down to Ole and partly down to the club.
What if we got Bruno at the start of the season?
Yes we are lacking a defensive midfield player and a right side midfield player and to me even a top class striker.
I think Ole is hamstrung by the fans and the club. I don't think the team he has can play the way he wants them to play. The defense is too weak and too slow to play a high line. We can't play three attackers and Pogba and Bruno against top teams. We need another option to Martial. In my opinion Martial is the second striker in a two man strike force. The player who drops deep and carries the ball.
 

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Who knows what happened with Bruno in the summer but 3 things made me think that he was the preferred choice in the summer but United couldn't agree the deal with Sporting.

1. United played Andreas Pereira as first choice number 10 all through pre season. He's nowhere near Bruno in quality but in the type of number 10 he is, he is similar. Continuing to play more hard working (but limited) 10s all season seemed baffling until Bruno signed and slotted into the system seamlessly.

2. When he signed, Ole made mention that the club had been chasing him for so long and finally managed to land him. This was in contrast to many reports of "United didn't want him" that went around in the summer.

3. There were multiple reports of Bruno being furious with Sporting for not allowing him to leave in the summer.

United went into the season woefully short of numbers in attack. While it cost them dearly in the first half of the season, it at least showed a willingness to wait for their preferred signings rather than having a list of 7 "number 10s" and signing number 5 on that list.
 

Tel074

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you seem too emotionally invested on this to discuss it appropriately. So let's agree to disagree.

Regarding my tag, you do notice that tags aren't the gospel right? I got mine because I kept saying that United should have a CEO who understands football, a club legend as vice president and a top quality DOF just like Juve have instead of bankers. Oh well.

It's nothing to do with emotion it's got to do with someone making up shit then arguing a point using lies . That's one thing I do agree that we should agree to disagree .
 

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Why has he made so many changes today. Ruins momentum & we look disjointed. It’s on Ole if we go out today
 
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