I feel for his wife.
Eight games away from another disastrous season under Ole
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Who cares?
Just imagine how bad of a job Ole would have done if United hadn’t scored 100 goals this season
Or where he'd be without Rashford, Martial and Greenwood who scored 56 of those goals.
Or where he’d be without Bruno, Pogba, and Matic
Actually it’s very lucky that he has players to play for him at all. I bet Pep, Plopp and Poch can just win it all on their own.
Bloody hell
Bloody hell
After all this improvement, someone seriously taking CV over results. Results meaning dressing room environment, coaching, match performances, player's performances, signings, stats, What are you smoking?
BREAKING News
Entire United Squad & Staff have been hospitalised due to Covid... All out for the rest of the season.
According to the Interwebs, Ole was the cause. He had dinner in Leicester (against all advice) & contracted Covid. Even knowing this, he decided to lick the heads of all Players & Coaching staff as some kind of ritualistic Nord blessing before the start of this mornings training session.
He is now under threat of deportation due to GBH, and is being fired. Black mark on his CV too, shame.
The OP was right! Ole gone & a terrible end to the season. What a nightmare...
Entire United Squad & Staff have been hospitalised due to Covid... All out for the rest of the season.
According to the Interwebs, Ole was the cause. He had dinner in Leicester (against all advice) & contracted Covid. Even knowing this, he decided to lick the heads of all Players & Coaching staff as some kind of ritualistic Nord blessing before the start of this mornings training session.
He is now under threat of deportation due to GBH, and is being fired. Black mark on his CV too, shame.
The OP was right! Ole gone & a terrible end to the season. What a nightmare...
Stop underating Ole.He has done a tremendous job. The so called big manager Jose failed here and was building up an expensive ageing squad. Perisic this, Sanchez that, Lukaku this and Boateng that. Not a visionary manager at all. Ole fixed that and lets give him another season.
Banter, as the youth say.
We could use a thread like this at the start of next season something like “38 games away from disaster under ole”.
I’m not going to lie like most people he has a poor cv before joining here and in January I felt he was out of his depth and wanted him gone but now I will give him next season even if we didn’t make top 4 as it’s good football.
I’m not a Ole lover or Ole hater I’m a united lover so what is best for the club I feel we should do I’m seeing plenty from this team so it warrants next season
I’m not going to lie like most people he has a poor cv before joining here and in January I felt he was out of his depth and wanted him gone but now I will give him next season even if we didn’t make top 4 as it’s good football.
I’m not a Ole lover or Ole hater I’m a united lover so what is best for the club I feel we should do I’m seeing plenty from this team so it warrants next season
Pretty sure the youth have progressed (regressed) to the term 'Bantz' now
The bold part is so true. So much negativity...
We've done brilliantly since the restart - all down to Ole & managing the squad. Some teams have come back and are playing awfully.
As for loving Ole - you know you do really.
As a player and legend ? 10000% as a manager I look at him and ask is he doing a good job ? Right now? Absolutely so I’m all for him even without top 4Pretty sure the youth have progressed (regressed) to the term 'Bantz' now
The bold part is so true. We've done brilliantly since the restart - all down to Ole & managing the squad. Some teams have come back and are playing awfully.
As for loving Ole - you know you do really.
He's done a great job with his recent recruitments. Exceeded my expectation in that regard.
I'm one of the people that think if you don't have to be an exceptional manager to do a good job with an excellent squad (see: Pellegrini, Mancini, Barca after Pep <for a few years atleast>). When he became the manager, I had no expectation that he was going to be the next Sir Alex. Tactical ability and experience wise, he's far from ideal. But as long as he keeps getting new signings right and glue the squad together, he could achieve much more than his predecessors and that is what the club desperately needs right now. If the players are quality and they like him, that would be enough. Because by the end of the day, a football team is a puzzle. Once it's finished, everything is working together almost automatically. Maybe at some point, if he needs more tactical knowledge he could bring in someone else who is expert at that to level up the team even further. There's no shame in that.
I'm one of the people that think if you don't have to be an exceptional manager to do a good job with an excellent squad (see: Pellegrini, Mancini, Barca after Pep <for a few years atleast>). When he became the manager, I had no expectation that he was going to be the next Sir Alex. Tactical ability and experience wise, he's far from ideal. But as long as he keeps getting new signings right and glue the squad together, he could achieve much more than his predecessors and that is what the club desperately needs right now. If the players are quality and they like him, that would be enough. Because by the end of the day, a football team is a puzzle. Once it's finished, everything is working together almost automatically. Maybe at some point, if he needs more tactical knowledge he could bring in someone else who is expert at that to level up the team even further. There's no shame in that.
He's done an incredible job. United are now favourites for third place and, in reality, could have it wrapped up before the final game of the season.
If they can keep everyone fit this could be an outstanding end to the season.
If they can keep everyone fit this could be an outstanding end to the season.
Honestly if you can't enjoy this football and these results, why do you waste your time? Ole has done everything we could have asked for. He's getting rid of the rot and installing that United DNA. He's going to make these kids and this team elite.
It was potentially the most romantic wedding I have ever heard...imagine the wedding wows....she starts with Bailey, Moran, Robson, Stapleton, Olsen, Strachan, Albiston, Duxbury, McGrath, Hughes and Whiteside
And you can see the disgust in his eyes...
For a second it looks like the marriage is cancelled - before she suddenly remembers that Atkinson preferred Gidman to Duxbury - and she asks ?
Did I get it right ? He replies : You do.
Will you marry me ? I do
I don't understand why everyone feels the need to downplay Ole's tactical ability. He's already shown he's very tactically aware and Utd fans should be even more aware of that considering the shite football we have had to watch in previous seasons.
Shut up XG child
Ole deserves credit for how he has got the team focussed for this run in. What he needs to do now is be ruthless and show the door to the players that aren't good enough. The standards for United need to be set.
That's the only way they can come out with their ego undamaged. That way they were right that he's not much of a manager but still acknowledge the results.
It's somehow acceptable for the winning to be attributed to the players but the losing to the manager.
In the end it doesn't matter. The important thing is that Ole seems to have full backing of the board and I hope we never get back to the fan stupidity of chanting against the team and the players.
As the original poster of this thread, I have to say Ole has managed things superbly since Bruno was brought in. We look like an outstanding team, a few questions remain for me though - how will the side respond to a bad result, previously under Ole one bad result is the catalyst for a complete collapse in form but I'm confident that won't be the case because we seem to have grown in mental strength, there are doubts too if we get an injury to key players that the squad players aren't of a sufficient standard to keep up the level we have set for ourselves. That's why this summer is crucial in terms of recruitment, if we get it right we have every reason to be positive about the immediate future - it's been a long time since we could say that.
So Ole good enough or not? What does everyone think? Ha ha ha
Hes already done that, the list is quite numerous so soon into his tenure.
This thread aged well
I think up until this point, can't say it's a disastrous season.
It's also not a great season, but just okay.
Winning one of the cups would make it better, winning both will turn it into a good season.
It's also not a great season, but just okay.
Winning one of the cups would make it better, winning both will turn it into a good season.
Just good enough.
Thing is right now, I can't see anyone else that can do a better job.
No, he has 'orrible CV, unlike previous managers we had, or Ploch, relegated Mainz, ooh snap, I mean Cardiff, won some trophies with some Moldy club from some country, somewhere, hmm, in Europe I think. He smiles a lot, which is awful, I 'd prefered him to have a baseball bat next to him in the technical area, but hey, can't have everything... I could go on, but have to learn all the names of '83 team (replay of course) so I can propose my self.. Life sucks.
Bruno. He’s the only player we have who I fancy to grab a game by the scruff of its neck if it’s not going well. We need another personality like that in the team. If we lost him to injury for any length of time, I’d be genuinely concerned. One of those three positions in the team we are looking at, CB, CDM or RW needs to be filled with an experienced and positive personality.
The frightening thing is that you belived this was funny when you wrote it, fecking hell.
Ole has done an incredible job so far. Let’s look at his tenure.
Joined the club and went on an amazing unbeaten run where we played some good football, culminating in that night in Paris. He asked players who had been playing quite passive football under Jose to start pressing from the front and outrunning opponents. The squad ran out of steam towards a charge for top four and the lack of quality and maturity showed.
During preseason his rebuild could start. Got rid of as many of the players he thought were a negative influence or wanted away as possible, even though he knew it may leave us short. Brought in Maguire, Wan Bissaka, James and from what we can gather, wanted a no.10 as well.
Ole wanted to implement a high press and again set about on improving our fitness as well as the mentality of the club. We had some teething issues and the squad often looked like a group of individuals rather than a team. Pogba got injured early on and remained so.
as the season progressed, players started to improve. Fred and McT gained confidence and looked a good partnership, Maguire became Captain and took a leadership role and Rashford and Martial were having their best seasons in positions that favoured their skills more. Ole showed faith in youth and brought through Mason Greenwood and Brandon Williams gradually.
January arrived and our upturn continued with Matic playing himself in to good form now too, allowing us to have more support for our back four. The real change in this period of course was the arrival of Bruno Fernandes, who seemed like a huge piece of the puzzle and finally we could see how Ole wanted to play. His good work on character building and fitness was paying off and Bruno the catalyst for the attacking play. Greenwood and Martial thrived in front of such a playmaker, yet Rashford gets injured. Odion Ighalo comes in on loan and chips in with some goals from the bench.
Lockdown starts and ends and our players come back looking like the only team that bothered to get on the bike or treadmill during the downtime. Pogba and Rashford return and the impact of having both Bruno and Pogba in the same team, a now settled (and good!) defence, an exciting front three coupled with the Matic or old and real options from the bench causes us to continue our unbeaten run to 17 games, steamrolling over teams and becoming the first team in Premier League history to win four games in a row by three goals or more. Our rival fans start to call Bruno “Penandes” after he wins Player of the month, third place in in our hands, a cup semi with Chelsea beckons and we get a favourable draw in the Europa league knock outs.
How can anyone look at that and not respect the man for the job he has done, regardless of what the immediate next chapter brings. I am happy to have him as our manager and look forward to his continued rebuild next season.
Joined the club and went on an amazing unbeaten run where we played some good football, culminating in that night in Paris. He asked players who had been playing quite passive football under Jose to start pressing from the front and outrunning opponents. The squad ran out of steam towards a charge for top four and the lack of quality and maturity showed.
During preseason his rebuild could start. Got rid of as many of the players he thought were a negative influence or wanted away as possible, even though he knew it may leave us short. Brought in Maguire, Wan Bissaka, James and from what we can gather, wanted a no.10 as well.
Ole wanted to implement a high press and again set about on improving our fitness as well as the mentality of the club. We had some teething issues and the squad often looked like a group of individuals rather than a team. Pogba got injured early on and remained so.
as the season progressed, players started to improve. Fred and McT gained confidence and looked a good partnership, Maguire became Captain and took a leadership role and Rashford and Martial were having their best seasons in positions that favoured their skills more. Ole showed faith in youth and brought through Mason Greenwood and Brandon Williams gradually.
January arrived and our upturn continued with Matic playing himself in to good form now too, allowing us to have more support for our back four. The real change in this period of course was the arrival of Bruno Fernandes, who seemed like a huge piece of the puzzle and finally we could see how Ole wanted to play. His good work on character building and fitness was paying off and Bruno the catalyst for the attacking play. Greenwood and Martial thrived in front of such a playmaker, yet Rashford gets injured. Odion Ighalo comes in on loan and chips in with some goals from the bench.
Lockdown starts and ends and our players come back looking like the only team that bothered to get on the bike or treadmill during the downtime. Pogba and Rashford return and the impact of having both Bruno and Pogba in the same team, a now settled (and good!) defence, an exciting front three coupled with the Matic or old and real options from the bench causes us to continue our unbeaten run to 17 games, steamrolling over teams and becoming the first team in Premier League history to win four games in a row by three goals or more. Our rival fans start to call Bruno “Penandes” after he wins Player of the month, third place in in our hands, a cup semi with Chelsea beckons and we get a favourable draw in the Europa league knock outs.
How can anyone look at that and not respect the man for the job he has done, regardless of what the immediate next chapter brings. I am happy to have him as our manager and look forward to his continued rebuild next season.
I think we can also describe Rashford with that.
Who has similar talent, right temperament and consistency in doing that.
Martial and Pogba for me tend to be more moody but definitelyhave the talent to do that.
While McT and few others are more consistent and has the right temperament, they lack the talent to be honest.
What's wrong with his tactics?
People with zero coaching experience will post on the Caf about how Ole’s tactically not good enough. Despite how well we actually play or any clear evidence to the contrary. He’ll always be a glorified PE teacher to them... if we win trophies, they will be won despite having Ole, never because of him.
I'm not sure, Ole, much like Sir Alex, Arsene Wenger, Harry Redknapp and these old school managers do much coaching. Blaming Ole for lack of coaching ideas is not understanding his role. All aspects of day to day running of the football side from coaching, fitness, science, buying and selling players is usually a joint decision with specialists employed for these specific roles and his trust of these people to do right. Training, coaching and selection for specific games are discussed around a table on a daily basis. Ole's task is to knit all the above together and make sure it works well.
The club has a busload of specialists for specific roles and it's ultimately Ole's responsibility to hire these specialists. Yes, you can blame Ole if he chooses the wrong personnel for these tasks. However, to blame Ole for lack of coaching or not having the tactical ability is something of a guess without knowing what goes on within the inner circle of the club's footballing structure.
Or Lingard and Jones.
Go on, explain how his tactical ability is far from ideal.
Surely his record against the top 6; against the likes of Pep, Klopp, Mourinho and Poch is evidence enough that he's tactically estute.
This is before we had all our best players fit, using the likes of Lingard and Pereira to beat some of the managers in the world. Are you just plucking this 'tactical ability' out of your arse because that's exactly how it reads so I'd be interested in a full explanation of your position.
Unfortunately some people feel that United’s successes and achievements are actually genuinely their own successes and achievements. Every win is their own victory, every loss their own loss. Those people can’t enjoy football, even football as good as this, unless their club is winning lots of trophies.
So obvious United are finally going in the right direction and I’m loving the goals in the team, even in third gear there are game changers everywhere.