Surely they did not expect him to turn out so good. Did they include a buy-back and 50% sell-on?
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Surely they did not expect him to turn out so good. Did they include a buy-back and 50% sell-on?
That’s mad.
Elanga was sold. Won’t be easy but nothing is impossible
It was only decent money on the books really. In reality they got about £15m for him as they paid Forest £20m in return for their absolute shite Greek keeper who's not worth close to half of that.
So with your clear scouting knowledge you’d look at who to improve the midfield ? Ever think maybe Baleba hasn’t hit form yet because his head was turned ? I suppose you’d turn your nose up at Salah if that was a possibility too seeing as he’s been awful so far this season.
Been banging this drum for a while. The sort of midfielder we should go for - but not to play alongside Bruno in a 2.
We’re so limited at the moment with a midfield 2, the bottom line is we need a player like this and to switch to a 3
We’re so limited at the moment with a midfield 2, the bottom line is we need a player like this and to switch to a 3
I think the mistake was no buy back/sale options. Though I susoect they rushed through the sale out of durress.
I have no doubts though they believed he'd turn out this good. Howe was clearly pissed off at the sale and was clear their hand was forced at the time. You don't do that if you don't believe your are losing a future star. And given how Anderson has turned out since. He was correct.
You see, that tells me they had no idea how good Elliot would become, if he was just part of a PSR fix the books exercise. If they had bought a similar potential player in return, fair enough, but seems they got f'ed.
ERM how can you call them specialists then if they specialize in naught?
Seems to me gross incompetence. Yes, the PSR thing is a disaster when it pushes club's to sell academy players to fix the books, no question. But Newcastle should already have anticipated some of these things and not to include those basic parts in the deal is just criminal, really.
I think the only comparable thing from us, which wasn't PSR related, was the sale of Fernandez who is now Real Madrid's starting left back
I said 'either on the ball or off it'. So good at one or the other
Considering they paid £35m and he has 3 and a half years on his contract it would be very difficult to get him.
it wouldn't surprise me if they demanded £100m+
I'd love Anderson, he's badly needed. I'd take Milenkovic too. We have a lot of CBs but there's question marks over all of them for various reasons.Could we possibly raid forest for Milenkovic, Anderson and Gibbs-White?
Mgw is a good player but we need to ask ourselves where he would currently fit into the side in this godawful 3-4-3 system, or if Amorim goes and we go back to one 10 in the team, does he get in ahead of Bruno or Cunha there?
We're awash with number 10s at the moment!
Could we possibly raid forest for Murillo, Anderson and Gibbs-White?
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Really poor planning by Newcastle. They bought that awful Forest keeper for the same price for PSR and lost a real gem. He is Forest’s best player by a difference for me.
Him and Minteh would have made their squad so much better.
Him and Minteh would have made their squad so much better.
TrueSeems to me gross incompetence. Yes, the PSR thing is a disaster when it pushes club's to sell academy players to fix the books, no question. But Newcastle should already have anticipated some of these things and not to include those basic parts in the deal is just criminal, really.
I think the only comparable thing from us, which wasn't PSR related, was the sale of Fernandez who is now Real Madrid's starting left back
Thanks for the clarification.
MGW is the most overrated player.Could we possibly raid forest for Milenkovic, Anderson and Gibbs-White?
He does seem to be turning out better than they expected, perhaps similar to Cole Palmer. Though they didn't really get that much money for him considering the swap deal; maybe just over £15 mil (albeit pure PSR profit).
At the time of him being sold, most Newcastle fans really were not that fussed at all about him going. They thought he would struggle to get in to their team ahead of the likes of Bruno Guimaraes, Tonali and Joelinton. And he might have tbf, they have quite a strong central midfield already. They also have Miley coming through.
Some comments from the Newcastle forum at the time, you can find plenty more similar as well if you look:
"I've never seen anything in Anderson that convinces me he can go on to be a really top class player, so in the present climate I'm not too fussed to see him go. "
"Not too bothered about this as I don’t rate him much. Hopefully this means we will sign another quality midfielder. "
"Don't really see anything in Anderson to make me upset about him leaving - him and Gordon are best mates so that's interesting. Anyway best of luck Elliot."
"I'm actually less disappointed about this one than I am about Minteh. With Minteh or was the unknown potential for greatness. Love that Anderson is a local lad, but Miley has already shown more in a few games than Anderson ever did. He was (sadly) never going to get to the level we needed."
"I like Anderson, and think he could be good, but we're not going to miss him. "
"Sad to lose an academy lad but only ever been impressed with Anderson twice; Forest away (Isak brace game) when he came on at half time and Spurs at home this season. "
"I really can't help but wonder what Forest see in him and how they plan to use him. He's been a solid contributor for us when he's played, but it was more of a case of waiting for him to take the next step."
https://newcastle-online.org/topic/36600-elliot-anderson-now-playing-for-nottingham-forest/page/107/
They didn't really pay that much though - they signed Vlachodimos from Forest for around £20 mil as part of the swap deal, so Anderson's fee was more like £15mil (albeit pure PSR profit).
It will be £35m on the books though, and considering the way he's playing plus the English tax, they will want a massive amount for him.
There's plenty of time for Ange to work his magic and get Forest down to 16th.
Bonsoir, Elliot.
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I like this guy and he’d probably be my first choice over Wharton or Baleba. I think he’d bring what Mount brings in terms of knitting us together and bringing a bit of energy. This In addition to having a good all round game for a position we’re really short in.
He doesn’t seem to have many weak points from what I’ve seen of him. £100m is about £30m too much though I think.
His ceiling is lower than that of a player worth 100 million, but is he worth that to us? Probably not, but anyone we go for who can do a job in that area now would cost about that much, so the question is pretty much "who will we shell 100 million out on, who would do a job of a 60 million pound player most consistently, and for more years?"
He has to be up there
He has to be up there
I hate how £100 million seems to be the standard valuation for any exciting player we’re interested in. Like with Dibling when we were interested, I expect Forest will end up with their tails between their legs. Hopefully once they’re relegated his price will drop by more than 50%.
We probably should have signed him for 20 million last season.
How come we never find these hidden gems?
How come we never find these hidden gems?
100m is definitely too much but there are very few central midfielders of his level around, maybe only Wharton and rice have been of a similar level of the last year and a half and Wharton is a bit injury prone
It's not hard to.imagine his price rising fuether post world cup
He is nothing like dibling
He was sold for £35m.
Should have signed him after his loan at Rovers. That’s when he was a ‘hidden gem’. He was so much better than everyone else in L2 it was ridiculous.
I love the sound of him LCM & Mount LAM with a competent LWB i believe we'd be sorted on both sides of the field and would just need an 8 & possibly a striker to shore up the spine
But I also agree 100m is too much, but you dont always get what you want and I feel we could get thos done around 70-80m addons etc
Yeah, but Newcastle had to take Vlachodimos for £20m. It was a PSR trade. Vlachodimos's value was close to zero, so effectively they got Anderson for £15m.
We wait until they become proper players first. We cut out the middle ground… instead of developing them ourselves we let other clubs do it and then just spent a lot more on them.
Because he was only included in a dodgy PSR deal with Newcastle
If Newcastle thought he was anything more than a PSR stash, then they wouldn't have sold him. Anyone who says he was on people's radar before is a feckin liar
a term on this forum is hidden gem, after his Bristol stint he was in that category of prospect with the potential to be a good level.
The market defines certain values for players.
It seems the highest bracket for a goal scoring wide player is 65-70m.
Average mid or wide player 50m.
An elite defender 70-80m.
Striker with potential 75-80m.
Prem Midfielder 80-110m.
Generational Player 120m plus.
My point is that its difficult to compare prices; as we see with Sesko and Mbeumo. The market dictates different values depending on position.
The likelihood is if we want Anderson, a great deal would be 70m, but we might need to pay 100m due to the market defining it.
Or look in different markets.
Whats interesting though is that different markets previously had Man Utd Kone as 35m, but since PL and PsG links came he is now in the default 50m range.
It seems the highest bracket for a goal scoring wide player is 65-70m.
Average mid or wide player 50m.
An elite defender 70-80m.
Striker with potential 75-80m.
Prem Midfielder 80-110m.
Generational Player 120m plus.
My point is that its difficult to compare prices; as we see with Sesko and Mbeumo. The market dictates different values depending on position.
The likelihood is if we want Anderson, a great deal would be 70m, but we might need to pay 100m due to the market defining it.
Or look in different markets.
Whats interesting though is that different markets previously had Man Utd Kone as 35m, but since PL and PsG links came he is now in the default 50m range.
What happened to dibling?
Haven’t heard the name at all this season.
Went to Everton, no idea if he plays or not. @SilentWitness
Going to be fascinating if we come through December still at or around top 5-7. Clearly we need a midfielder and getting one in January, if he can bed in quickly, could propel us to Europe. But we aren't getting Anderson in the winter. And I can't see how they could justify buying a six month stopgap. So, they need to buy someone that can fight for places with the likes of Anderson, Wharton, Baleba, Stiller, Scott, Gomes, etc that won't cost us so much in fees that we can't go get two guys of that caliber in the summer. Unless they feel they can rebuild a midfield with Mainoo as part of the rotation? I'm convinced they want to move on from Casemiro for financial reasons. I think they would love to not have to play Bruno where they are currently playing him, nor every week.
Are there two guys who compliment each other AND both of them would mesh will with Mainoo so can be the third guy who rotates in and out with, hopefully, a heavier fixture list? Fascinating times ahead.
I do think they want Anderson, and I do hope they can sell him on 'be the next Roy Keane'.
Are there two guys who compliment each other AND both of them would mesh will with Mainoo so can be the third guy who rotates in and out with, hopefully, a heavier fixture list? Fascinating times ahead.
I do think they want Anderson, and I do hope they can sell him on 'be the next Roy Keane'.