Elliot Anderson | Athletic: United's main target

[Fracture90]

For £100-120mil price tag + wages, considering he'd be joining UTD, the most scrutinized club by the press, he would have to put in 8/10 performances each and every week in order not to be labeled as flop. Can he deal with that kind of pressure?

 

[Posh Red]

Yes, if they were available, they would cost far more than that.

I assumed the poster’s point was they wouldn’t be available in their current form and contract position.

 

[RedKnight88]

For £100-120mil price tag + wages, considering he'd be joining UTD, the most scrutinized club by the press, he would have to put in 8/10 performances each and every week in order not to be labeled as flop. Can he deal with that kind of pressure?

For some reason it rarely works for us. For other clubs they seem to get away with it.
Eden Hazard was a big it for Real Madrid.. Coutinho for Barcelona.
Alexander Isak and Florian Wirtz so far are kinda flop, but wouldn't surprise me if they do well next season.
Caicedo and Enzo wouldn't say was worth the outlay but wouldn't say they flopped.
Declan Rice will be worth it when Arsenal win the league too.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

For £100-120mil price tag + wages, considering he'd be joining UTD, the most scrutinized club by the press, he would have to put in 8/10 performances each and every week in order not to be labeled as flop. Can he deal with that kind of pressure?

No way he will be 100m, not even City will pay that for a defensive minded CM who hunt the ball.

I think he will go for 80m + add ons tops. It's still a lot of money, but for a dependable 7/10, occasional 8/10 player for the next 6 years+ it might be worth it the same way Harry Maguire was worth the 80m after all.

Better than spend a couple of 40m's on players we will have to replace soon like Ugarte.

Still hope we have scouts to recognize soem CM with a good value out there. But think we will do the same as we did with Cunha or Mbeumo, buy the best in the league with potential. Easily the msot pragmatic way for rebuilt, costly, but cant afford to have another poor season due to CM shortage.. and also back in the champions league and all cups.

 

[Fracture90]

No way he will be 100m, not even City will pay that for a defensive minded CM who hunt the ball.

I think he will go for 80m + add ons tops. It's still a lot of money, but for a dependable 7/10, occasional 8/10 player for the next 6 years+ it might be worth it the same way Harry Maguire was worth the 80m after all.

Better than spend a couple of 40m's on players we will have to replace soon like Ugarte.

Still hope we have scouts to recognize soem CM with a good value out there. But think we will do the same as we did with Cunha or Mbeumo, buy the best in the league with potential. Easily the msot pragmatic way for rebuilt, costly, but cant afford to have another poor season due to CM shortage.. and also back in the champions league and all cups.

You're being very optimistic with that number. Forest will easily ask for £100m. They will ask for Caicedo and Rice money

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[LordSpud]

You're being very optimistic with that number. Forest will easily ask for £100m. They will ask for Caicedo and Rice money

Unless City comes in with a £65m bid.

How many 100m+ players have City actually bought? They always get good prices

 

[sprezza]

If one believes the briefings, City are lowballing Forest because they know they are Anderson's preferred destination, and Forest are responding by saying Man Utd are still in the race to try to jack up the price.

This ends with City signing Anderson for about £80 million.

 

[Fracture90]

Unless City comes in with a £65m bid.

How many 100m+ players have City actually bought? They always get good prices

Grealish i think. Guardiol was close to 100 as well. Whole lot of 70mil + players though.

 

[matherto]

Unless City comes in with a £65m bid.

How many 100m+ players have City actually bought? They always get good prices

Yeah but there’s a bidding war

 

[DJ_21]

Unless City comes in with a £65m bid.

How many 100m+ players have City actually bought? They always get good prices

That’s because they know how to negotiate. They’d have got Antony for 30m

 

[TheNewEra]

That’s because they know how to negotiate. They’d have got Antony for 30m

I don't think they get him for 65m, it'll be pushed up significantly I think by a bidding war.

He probably does want to go to City though if rumours are to be believed.

 

[dinostar77]

There's two ways of looking at the £65mil fee. One, if it happens at that price which I highly doubt. It will set the standard this summer in PL for all other CM transfers. If one of the best CMs this season goes for £65mil, the other will have to go for less or similar.

As another poster said it will probably be £80mil. Though if Forest stay up, you could see them holding firm on £100mil.

Those City charges really need to come through soon....

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Forrest bought him a year ago for 15m, now we are looking at 80m.. why cant we find these players first?

 

[caid]

Forrest bought him a year ago for 15m, now we are looking at 80m.. why cant we find these players first?

The 15m version of him wouldn't get games for us and become the 80m version people want. Same with Garner. Its 2 seasons, its not that short a space of time.

 

[Godfather]

Bayern look proper up for it. That left side of Madrid's defence looks shaky as hell

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

Forrest bought him a year ago for 15m, now we are looking at 80m.. why cant we find these players first?

35 million they paid for him

 

[Lash]

I don't think they get him for 65m, it'll be pushed up significantly I think by a bidding war.

He probably does want to go to City though if rumours are to be believed.

A bidding war only works if he's not sure who he wants to go to. We should know as that's what Brentford did with Mbuemo.

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

The 15m version of him wouldn't get games for us and become the 80m version people want. Same with Garner. Its 2 seasons, its not that short a space of time.

Amen to common sense. Everyone wants the £1m Caicedo like we would give them minutes.

 

[Drainy]

35 million they paid for him

They did. As part of a PSR scam

 

[goldenboy]

35 million they paid for him

They did. As part of a PSR scam

Forest actually did pay more like just 15mil for him - as Vlachodimos moved to Newcastle for 20mil as part of the same deal.

 

[IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos]

There's two ways of looking at the £65mil fee. One, if it happens at that price which I highly doubt. It will set the standard this summer in PL for all other CM transfers. If one of the best CMs this season goes for £65mil, the other will have to go for less or similar.

As another poster said it will probably be £80mil. Though if Forest stay up, you could see them holding firm on £100mil.

Those City charges really need to come through soon....

The thing with City, and other state owned clubs, is if they’re getting Anderson for a “modest” £65m, are Etihad airlines or some other Abu Dhabi based business going to sponsor or invest in one of Marinakis’ other businesses? When they’ve got so many tentacles, they can funnel “unrelated” money around as legitimised back handers. Part of the reason state ownership should never have been allowed.

 

[Posh Red]

Forrest bought him a year ago for 15m, now we are looking at 80m.. why cant we find these players first?

They bought him for over double that. And lots of players that are bought for that amount turn out crap.

 

[croadyman]

The thing with City, and other state owned clubs, is if they’re getting Anderson for a “modest” £65m, are Etihad airlines or some other Abu Dhabi based business going to sponsor or invest in one of Marinakis’ other businesses? When they’ve got so many tentacles, they can funnel “unrelated” money around as legitimised back handers. Part of the reason state ownership should never have been allowed.

Oh yeah huge amounts of money will be going under the table between Mansour and Marinakis for him

 

[philippexyz]

The thing with City, and other state owned clubs, is if they’re getting Anderson for a “modest” £65m, are Etihad airlines or some other Abu Dhabi based business going to sponsor or invest in one of Marinakis’ other businesses? When they’ve got so many tentacles, they can funnel “unrelated” money around as legitimised back handers. Part of the reason state ownership should never have been allowed.

Exactly. It should be talked about more.

I don't believe at all in anything "official" in regards to City's wages, transfer fees etc. Who really knows how much are players paid, how they negotiate transfers with their power/influence/reach...

They're backed by a whole country(and a rich, authoritarian, unscrupulous one at that) - an entity far more powerful and influential than basically any lone, private owner. They're not playing the same game behind the scenes as rest of the clubs.

Having them as owners of a club has ruined the competitiveness, integrity of a league/sport.

 

[croadyman]

Exactly. It should be talked about more.

I don't believe at all in anything "official" in regards to City's wages, transfer fees etc. Who really knows how much are players paid, how they negotiate transfers with their power/influence/reach...

They're backed by a whole country(and a rich, authoritarian, unscrupulous one at that) - an entity far more powerful and influential than basically any lone, private owner. They're not playing the same game behind the scenes as rest of the clubs.

Having them as owners of a club has ruined the competitiveness, integrity of a league/sport.

The reason it's not talked about more is probably due to some threats sent to any journo who dares to blow the whistle on their transfer dealings. Getting it back on topic surely there's zero truth in that £65m pricetag mentioned by the highly unreliable Mirror

 

[bb8]

The 15m version of him wouldn't get games for us and become the 80m version people want. Same with Garner. Its 2 seasons, its not that short a space of time.

Amen to common sense. Everyone wants the £1m Caicedo like we would give them minutes.

Huh? This is nonsense. In the last 2 seasons Ugarte has played in 67 games for us, comprising 42 "90s". We couldn't have given those minutes to Anderson? He was much better than Ugarte, even last year.

That's not to mention all the other dregs and castoffs getting minutes. 12 90s for Christian Eriksen, 4 90s for Toby Collyer, moving Bruno to CM so we could give more time to guys like Garnacho/Zirkzee. He's been better than Mainoo as well.

There was plenty of time to play Anderson, we're not exactly some super team. We just misevaluated (on him AND Ugarte), as we have countless times.

 

[GoldanoGraham]

The great City lure will be over once Maresca replaces a retiring Pep.

Will gradually start to unravel….Silva is off at the end of the season, Haaland won’t be around long after Pep and players won’t be so keen to join as before.

 

[devilish]

The 15m version of him wouldn't get games for us and become the 80m version people want. Same with Garner. Its 2 seasons, its not that short a space of time.

I think you're overestimating our CM and underestimating 15m version of Anderson. Eliot Anderson played 55 games with Newcastle. So we're not talking of a Kone or a United version of Garner here. Also who would have kept him out in a definitive way? Casemiro is good but he can't play every game, Ugarte's technique makes Gattuso look like prime Maradona while Mainoo hasn't been consistently great for years now. There's not a lot of competition in CM.

There's a huge spectrum between Kone/Orozco on one side and the Andersons/Whartons on the other side.

 

[strandty]

Absolutely no chance they get him for £65m.

 

[King7Eric]

Huh? This is nonsense. In the last 2 seasons Ugarte has played in 67 games for us, comprising 42 "90s". We couldn't have given those minutes to Anderson? He was much better than Ugarte, even last year.

That's not to mention all the other dregs and castoffs getting minutes. 12 90s for Christian Eriksen, 4 90s for Toby Collyer, moving Bruno to CM so we could give more time to guys like Garnacho/Zirkzee. He's been better than Mainoo as well.

There was plenty of time to play Anderson, we're not exactly some super team. We just misevaluated (on him AND Ugarte), as we have countless times.

Anderson would not become the player he is today if he moved to a Utd/Liverpool/City 2 years ago. Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive clubs. Because in these positions mistakes are costly and if you are constantly scrutinized, you tend to start playing within yourself, afraid of making mistakes. You need to develop in an environment where the media scrutiny is less, that's why we see most players move to "mid table clubs" to develop in their early 20s before making the leap to a bigger one. Also, the risk of them getting dropped after making errors is less in these clubs than it would be in a Utd or City.

Of course, that is not to say no young players can thrive at big clubs, they absolutely can and a lot of it is to do with circumstances and player mentality. Ugarte would actually look a lot better playing for Forest than he does here because he would consistently get games and every mistake his wouldn't be amplified. That's why I never get this nonsense you keep hearing oh why didn't we get this and that player on the cheap? Because if he we did maybe they wouldn't develop into what they are today.

Sesko is actually a prime example of this. We have been trying to sign him since he was 17 but he didn't feel ready for the move until last year. And fair play to him because I am sure had he moved here at 17, he wouldn't be the player he is now.

 

[B. Munich]

Forrest bought him a year ago for 15m, now we are looking at 80m.. why cant we find these players first?

What even surprises me more, is Newcastle. I thought they are planning to establish them as top 4/6 team. How, can they let the biggest CM/DM talent leave for just 15 millions?
Or is he just another hyped English player that has 1-2 good seasons in a team where he is the main man but will fail to reproduce these performances after joining one of the big guys?
I haven't seen him play much as I hardly watch Nottingham, so I have no clue if he is better than a Pavlovic or Nmecha.

 

[Reds Under The Bed]

Absolutely no chance they get him for £65m.

Unless it’s the same type of fee they paid for Haaland.
51m cough, cough, nudge, nudge, wink, wink…

 

[Rainy nights in Stoke]

He does tick a lot of boxes but the price tag is crazy in my opinion.....especially as we need at least two midfielders and maybe now is the time for him and us to cash in on Bruno....three midfield signings.

Tonali, Baleba, Wharton, Camavinga....there are lots of real top quality midfielders that could be possibilities this summer and I dont think any will be anywhere near as costly as Anderson fee now.

And I actually though Declan Rice was high but a good deal, not sure it is on Anderson from his experience and progression so far, its a ridiculous fee even in the current market, he has lots of good attributes and ability but no midfielder in world football would cost that if available I think at the moment

Anderson's transfer is very similar to Declan Rice's - very similar places in their respective careers. If Elliot Anderson stayed 1 more year at Forest and performed at the same level as he has this year, I don't think you could make a credible claim that he shouldn't command the same fee as Rice. As it is right now, I don't think he is quite there yet, but close.

Rice captained West Ham to a European trophy and was their main man. He was an experienced international, and West Ham had no financial pressure to sell. I think he was the more proven player.

Forest are in a different situation, but Anderson has 1 more year on his contract. It seems a foregone conclusion that he'll move this year but I think 1 more year at Forest would be the best for his career.

 

[Fracture90]

I think you're overestimating our CM and underestimating 15m version of Anderson. Eliot Anderson played 55 games with Newcastle. So we're not talking of a Kone or a United version of Garner here. Also who would have kept him out in a definitive way? Casemiro is good but he can't play every game, Ugarte's technique makes Gattuso look like prime Maradona while Mainoo hasn't been consistently great for years now. There's not a lot of competition in CM.

There's a huge spectrum between Kone/Orozco on one side and the Andersons/Whartons on the other side.

The lad is 20y old. He had one great season under Ten Hag, then he got iced by Portuguese snake oil salesman for over a year, and he's only been back in contention for a few months. He's still young and developing, your choice of words was poor.

 

[Hammondo]

Grealish i think. Guardiol was close to 100 as well. Whole lot of 70mil + players though.

Guardiol was £77.6m.

 

[Hammondo]

Unless it’s the same type of fee they paid for Haaland.
51m cough, cough, nudge, nudge, wink, wink…

He had a buyout clause.

 

[devilish]

The lad is 20y old. He had one great season under Ten Hag, then he got iced by Portuguese snake oil salesman for over a year, and he's only been back in contention for a few months. He's still young and developing, your choice of words was poor.

That's not the point I am making. Mainoo has talent and I hope he signs a new contract extension but he also had weaknesses. Some might improve in time while others such as his lack of mobility would not. Would he had challenged for a first team place against the Newcastle version of Anderson? Of course he would. He'd probably start the season as the first team favorite. Would he had doomed Anderson to a bench role with no chance in hell of ever proving himself? The answer is no. Anderson would have brought in a different skillset to that of Mainoo which would have given any manager's options and might even end up with the two playing alongside one another.

I can't help analyzing the names we're being linked to with concern. First of all none of them would fit what we need as a glove. Casemiro brought a wide skill set (experience, high football IQ, great aerial duels and leadership) that it can't be fount anywhere else. Secondly finding a player that can slot around Mainoo will be tough. As said he's skillset and weaknesses are somehow particular and we've yet to know if he'll develop as a 6, an 8 or even a 10. I dare to say that for the time being we should focus on the CM and how it would fit our team rather then on him. Finally we've got so many issues that needs to be addressed and even if we've got a big budget (let's hope its the case) then it can take us so far. We can't blow 80m-90m on one player

 

[devilish]

Anderson's transfer is very similar to Declan Rice's - very similar places in their respective careers. If Elliot Anderson stayed 1 more year at Forest and performed at the same level as he has this year, I don't think you could make a credible claim that he shouldn't command the same fee as Rice. As it is right now, I don't think he is quite there yet, but close.

Rice captained West Ham to a European trophy and was their main man. He was an experienced international, and West Ham had no financial pressure to sell. I think he was the more proven player.

Forest are in a different situation, but Anderson has 1 more year on his contract. It seems a foregone conclusion that he'll move this year but I think 1 more year at Forest would be the best for his career.

Declan Rice was tall, his passing range was great, he had attitude, leadership, he topped the charts for interceptions, tackles and distance covered. I have a reputation of not being easily bought by this EPL proven thing and even I thought that buying Rice back then was a no brainer. Anderson has huge potential and would check multiple boxes. However he's not a non brainer as Rice was.

 

[Fracture90]

That's not the point I am making. Mainoo has talent and I hope he signs a new contract extension but he also had weaknesses. Some might improve in time while others such as his lack of mobility would not. Would he had challenged for a first team place against the Newcastle version of Anderson? Of course he would. He'd probably start the season as the first team favorite. Would he had doomed Anderson to a bench role with no chance in hell of ever proving himself? The answer is no. Anderson would have brought in a different skillset to that of Mainoo which would have given any manager's options and might even end up with the two playing alongside one another.

I can't help analyzing the names we're being linked to with concern. First of all none of them would fit what we need as a glove. Casemiro brought a wide skill set (experience, high football IQ, great aerial duels and leadership) that it can't be fount anywhere else. Secondly finding a player that can slot around Mainoo will be tough. As said he's skillset and weaknesses are somehow particular and we've yet to know if he'll develop as a 6, an 8 or even a 10. I dare to say that for the time being we should focus on the CM and how it would fit our team rather then on him. Finally we've got so many issues that needs to be addressed and even if we've got a big budget (let's hope its the case) then it can take us so far. We can't blow 80m-90m on one player

Mate i don't know what point were you trying to make, i just pointed out the absurdity of that line. And even you would agree, it was pretty absurd.

Thing about Mainoo, I'm willing to bet that he's keeping it simple per Carrick/staff instructions. He's got a load of talent, if he was in some lesser club, I'm pretty sure he would be one of the top targets for us.