Elliot Anderson | Athletic: United's main target

Be interesting to see if any punishment comes for the cheating, and if that is before or after their summer business. Imagine they’re allowed to go big in the summer and then get a travel ban. Should be uproar.
 
Fracture90 said:
Mate i don't know what point were you trying to make, i just pointed out the absurdity of that line. And even you would agree, it was pretty absurd.

Thing about Mainoo, I'm willing to bet that he's keeping it simple per Carrick/staff instructions. He's got a load of talent, if he was in some lesser club, I'm pretty sure he would be one of the top targets for us.
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My point is that the Newcastle version of Anderson would have been considered a great cover for Casemiro and possibly a good competitor for Mainoo. He would have gotten loads of games and he'd probably be a first teamer by now.

Mainoo has talent but he's overrated by our fans as well. The trouble isn't about his talent but by the skillset he provides. His passing is decent but not amazing which currently doesn't make him suited for the DLP role. His anticipation and attitude is good but he lacks mobility. That's a key asset for a B2B. His dribbling in tight spaces is great but he lacks the physique or the ability to be at the right place at the right time that a no 10 has. If Mainoo was at Brighton or West Ham then I doubt anyone would want to bid 70m on him. He's simply not at that level yet. Newcastle version Anderson would have given him a run for his money and he'd probably be our first teamer by now.
 
dinostar77 said:
There's two ways of looking at the £65mil fee. One, if it happens at that price which I highly doubt. It will set the standard this summer in PL for all other CM transfers. If one of the best CMs this season goes for £65mil, the other will have to go for less or similar.

As another poster said it will probably be £80mil. Though if Forest stay up, you could see them holding firm on £100mil.

Those City charges really need to come through soon....
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Aren’t they to release decision next Tuesday? Assuming no other delays. Big assumption I know.
 
strandty said:
Absolutely no chance they get him for £65m.
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Don’t worry; it wouldn’t be £65m. Not that you’d know any different.

Off the books is a wonderful thing when you’re a state dabbling in something as trivial as purchasing players from willing sellers at strangely knocked down prices.
 
King7Eric said:
Anderson would not become the player he is today if he moved to a Utd/Liverpool/City 2 years ago. Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive clubs. Because in these positions mistakes are costly and if you are constantly scrutinized, you tend to start playing within yourself, afraid of making mistakes. You need to develop in an environment where the media scrutiny is less, that's why we see most players move to "mid table clubs" to develop in their early 20s before making the leap to a bigger one. Also, the risk of them getting dropped after making errors is less in these clubs than it would be in a Utd or City.

Of course, that is not to say no young players can thrive at big clubs, they absolutely can and a lot of it is to do with circumstances and player mentality. Ugarte would actually look a lot better playing for Forest than he does here because he would consistently get games and every mistake his wouldn't be amplified. That's why I never get this nonsense you keep hearing oh why didn't we get this and that player on the cheap? Because if he we did maybe they wouldn't develop into what they are today.

Sesko is actually a prime example of this. We have been trying to sign him since he was 17 but he didn't feel ready for the move until last year. And fair play to him because I am sure had he moved here at 17, he wouldn't be the player he is now.
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Nobody is saying Anderson should've moved at 17. We're talking about moving at around the same age as Sesko.

If it's so hard to develop at United at CM/CB, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo, Yoro, and Heaven?
 
City have cheated their way to too strong a position. They’ll always be first or second in line for the best talents. Hopefully they get punished and we work on ourselves so one day we are the preferred target or at least good competition for players like this.

Hope he’s as overrated as Wirtz and Isak turned out to be.
 
bb8 said:
Nobody is saying Anderson should've moved at 17. We're talking about moving at around the same age as Sesko.

If it's so hard to develop at United at CM/CB, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo, Yoro, and Heaven?
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It is hard, not impossible. And Heaven/Yoro aren't exactly playing every week, are they? If Amorim was manager, neither would have Mainoo. And Mainoo and Yoro are 2 of the most highly rated young players in Europe, and yet they have struggled at times here.

Every player is different and they develop at different rates. And if you think about it, Yoro said no to Liverpool and Real while Heaven left Arsenal to come here. All 3 teams at the time were better footballing teams than us, and yet the players chose the team where they felt they had a better chance to play more. So even here it was a case of players prioritizing playing time. For any young player (unless you have an emotional attachment with the club like Mainoo coming through the academy) promised playing time will always be a major deciding factor.
 
real shame if this guy ends up at City considering a glaring need we have in our squad for the role that he plays....would fit in perfectly

but if they lose both silva and rodri this summer, he'll have the same impact at City and they are the more proven team and proven manager
 
King7Eric said:
It is hard, not impossible. And Heaven/Yoro aren't exactly playing every week, are they? If Amorim was manager, neither would have Mainoo. And Mainoo and Yoro are 2 of the most highly rated young players in Europe, and yet they have struggled at times here.

Every player is different and they develop at different rates. And if you think about it, Yoro said no to Liverpool and Real while Heaven left Arsenal to come here. All 3 teams at the time were better footballing teams than us, and yet the players chose the team where they felt they had a better chance to play more. So even here it was a case of players prioritizing playing time. For any young player (unless you have an emotional attachment with the club like Mainoo coming through the academy) promised playing time will always be a major deciding factor.
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Sure. Your latest point is non-controversial. Nobody is disputing that playing time matters for development, nor that players pick destinations where they can play more. Those are obviously true.

The original point was that Anderson COULDN'T have developed into the player he is if he'd been here the last two years bc he wouldn't have gotten enough playing time, and I think that's total hogwash. As already stated, Ugarte has 42 "90s" in the last two seasons. We easily could've given all those minutes to Anderson, and the team would've been better for it from the jump.

My only point to you was you said: " Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive club".... If that's true, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo/Yoro? You haven't answered that question so far.
 
bb8 said:
Sure. Your latest point is non-controversial. Nobody is disputing that playing time matters for development, nor that players pick destinations where they can play more. Those are obviously true.

The original point was that Anderson COULDN'T have developed into the player he is if he'd been here the last two years bc he wouldn't have gotten enough playing time, and I think that's total hogwash. As already stated, Ugarte has 42 "90s" in the last two seasons. We easily could've given all those minutes to Anderson, and the team would've been better for it from the jump.

My only point to you was you said: " Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive club".... If that's true, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo/Yoro? You haven't answered that question so far.
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bb8 said:
Sure. Your latest point is non-controversial. Nobody is disputing that playing time matters for development, nor that players pick destinations where they can play more. Those are obviously true.

The original point was that Anderson COULDN'T have developed into the player he is if he'd been here the last two years bc he wouldn't have gotten enough playing time, and I think that's total hogwash. As already stated, Ugarte has 42 "90s" in the last two seasons. We easily could've given all those minutes to Anderson, and the team would've been better for it from the jump.

My only point to you was you said: " Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive club".... If that's true, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo/Yoro? You haven't answered that question so far.
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Because both were needed for squad depth. But had Yoro stayed at Lille and Mainoo was a player at say Leeds, they would both have played more minutes than they did this season. Now that's a decision every player has to make as well. Forget Mainoo for a minute since he's an academy graduate. But when Yoro was offered the chance to move at 18, he could have stayed and played more football at Lille and developed individually at a faster pace. But maybe by the time he reaches 20, he isn't as good as everyone thought he was, so no one makes a move for him. He decided to sacrifice those additional minutes he might have played at Lille for a move to a bigger club (where he still thought he would get significant playing time). Now even if he doesn't reach his best level immediately, the club most likely won't kick him out and keep patience with him. He could develop into the best CB in the world at a slower rate, or he could develop into a top 20 CB in the world at a faster rate. Or maybe he stays at Lille and never reaches that potential.

It's not an exact science and different players would map their careers differently. I always feel players who are more confident in their ability wouldn't mind spending a couple of years at a lesser club because they know they'll be good enough and further on in their development to make the jump to a top club in a couple of years time. Others might think this is my chance and make the leap before they are ready and falter.
 
bb8 said:
Sure. Your latest point is non-controversial. Nobody is disputing that playing time matters for development, nor that players pick destinations where they can play more. Those are obviously true.

The original point was that Anderson COULDN'T have developed into the player he is if he'd been here the last two years bc he wouldn't have gotten enough playing time, and I think that's total hogwash. As already stated, Ugarte has 42 "90s" in the last two seasons. We easily could've given all those minutes to Anderson, and the team would've been better for it from the jump.

My only point to you was you said: " Players need time to develop, especially those playing in positions such as CM and CB, away from the spotlight of massive club".... If that's true, why aren't we loaning out Mainoo/Yoro? You haven't answered that question so far.
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Mainoo has been looking for a loan most of the season to be fair. I think theres some added value to training with Casemiro and Maguire and so on. Hard to make an argument for our managers but normally you'd expect the coaching to be better too. Ugarte clearly hasn't worked out so, again, hard to make an argument for him but a more experienced, established midfielder probably made sense with mainoo around.
So its not an exact, black and white, science. I'm not that firm on it and anderson and garner are bad examples really but the likes of caicedo coming directly from ecuador feel like too big a step and we'd just be sending them on loan immediately. Theres a limit to how far off the radar we can go imo.
I dont think anderson would be sold to us for 15m or 35m or would have gotten the responsibility he's been given at forest and would be at his current level for what its worth. Obviously he would have been better than ugarte but thats more down to ugarte than him.
 
Poborsky's hair said:
No way he will be 100m, not even City will pay that for a defensive minded CM who hunt the ball.

I think he will go for 80m + add ons tops. It's still a lot of money, but for a dependable 7/10, occasional 8/10 player for the next 6 years+ it might be worth it the same way Harry Maguire was worth the 80m after all.

Better than spend a couple of 40m's on players we will have to replace soon like Ugarte.

Still hope we have scouts to recognize soem CM with a good value out there. But think we will do the same as we did with Cunha or Mbeumo, buy the best in the league with potential. Easily the msot pragmatic way for rebuilt, costly, but cant afford to have another poor season due to CM shortage.. and also back in the champions league and all cups.
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they can ask whatever they want, but teams wont pay that. Cunha and Mbeumo price will went for way less, I expect that to be wrapped at 80m. Anderson will surely push for move since they are shite and likely face another relegation battle. They will not keep unhappy player. 80m they can reinvest in two maybe three decent players.
 


Suggests we’re going all out for Anderson and the whole Anderson being nailed on for City isn’t anywhere near as certain as people would have us believe, surely we’d have spoken to his agent and if Anderson was City bound we’d be looking elsewhere.
 
davidmichael said:
Suggests we’re going all out for Anderson and the whole Anderson being nailed on for City isn’t anywhere near as certain as people would have us believe, surely we’d have spoken to his agent and if Anderson was City bound we’d be looking elsewhere.
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I think clubs get strung along quite often.

Look at Newcastle with Sesko in the summer.

Not saying that's what happening here, we have no idea.

If Pep announces he's leaving when the season ends maybe that swings things.

I can't shake the feeling City will be offering higher wages though so it will be tough battle for us to win.
 
davidmichael said:


Suggests we’re going all out for Anderson and the whole Anderson being nailed on for City isn’t anywhere near as certain as people would have us believe, surely we’d have spoken to his agent and if Anderson was City bound we’d be looking elsewhere.
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Regardless, those are the right noises - Tonali is not as good as Anderson, so if Newcastle and Tonali are asking for Anderson-equivalent money then that's a hard swerve.
 
He is an exciting young player with tons of potential. However, right now, he is not a 6, and although I think he can develop into one, he may not fancy playing there. Also, pairing him with Mainoo would leave us with a very inexperienced midfield. If we sign him, we would need to bring in a more experienced number 6 to help stabilize things once Casemiro leaves
 
Catalandevil said:
He is an exciting young player with tons of potential. However, right now, he is not a 6, and although I think he can develop into one, he may not fancy playing there. Also, pairing him with Mainoo would leave us with a very inexperienced midfield. If we sign him, we would need to bring in a more experienced number 6 to help stabilize things once Casemiro leaves
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Pairing anyone with Mainoo will leave us exposed.
 
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