Don’t see many if any of these too much
Elliot Anderson | Ornstein: City submit offer | rejected by Forest
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120m …. At that price I can see why we would pull out. We don’t spend that kind of money under Ineos on one player anyway. I like Anderson though, I do feel he’d do very well here.
Obviously the Ineos team means they only want players that "really" want to play for us! Not player that giving clear preference to other team!
If he pushes Sesko out, so be it.
And City will just say, "ok, we will go to 130".
They have more cash to spend and less positions of need. Its not a bidding war we could win.
Good player but £120m is crazy money. United shouldn’t be paying that for any player, no club should. All it takes is one serious injury and they’re out.
It’s such a shame and very typical of City. Do they actually need him in their midfield? Time and time again when the right player comes up for us the likes of City and Chelsea hoover up the talent.
It’s such a shame and very typical of City. Do they actually need him in their midfield? Time and time again when the right player comes up for us the likes of City and Chelsea hoover up the talent.
You don’t know that
i think you’ll find that kind of thinking will mean we don’t win the league.
We are in for Anderson, he seems to not be in for us.
He might be worth 100-120 million pounds, but you don’t pay it if the player is not set on coming here.
Trying to turn someone’s head with money is not the way to go. You don’t have to if they are excited to play here, and they will try harder to succeed.
No, and anyway, City could potentially be looking at a year or 2 without CL football (obvs not next season) if they ever get charged for the 115. Revenues will plummet if they drop down to the Championship - they can't fill their ground as it is...
He’s not coming, but if he is, Amad needs to vacate that #16 shirt.
You can't justify 120m on one player, in our position. We need to upgrade quite a few parts of the team.
Would be interesting to see if they’ve literally ever had a legit season under the state. I highly doubt they have, nor will they.
Why? Would he not have number 18?
Yep, point taken, but in the scenario I was describing they would have just received a massive points deduction for financial irregularities. Assuming one year out of the Prem and 2 years out of the CL, along with reduced ground revenue, TV money, any penalties/reduced deals from sponsors (admittedly unlikely as they seem to sponsor themselves) etc etc, then it surely becomes harder and harder to cook the books? They have to show their revenue as coming from somewhere? The thing about the oil clubs, especially ones like City, is that they don't have that legacy or history that helps cushion something like relegation. To an extent the likes of United and Liverpool are insulated from that. If United got relegated we'd lose the CL and Prem cash but we'd still be filling the stadium, and if anything there would be more global interest in us than there was before. City obvs have their local diehards, but in terms of global fans, they've only been around for 10 years - once they don't have the Pep factor of guaranteed success, allied with a potential relegation, they suddenly become a lot less attractive proposition globally.
Would be interesting to see if they’ve literally ever had a legit season under the state. I highly doubt they have, nor will they.
Cause Matheus Fernandes would call dibs come June 1st
Yeah, and for that sort of money we ended up getting two Premier League-proven players in Cunha and Mbeumo - both of whom were among the league’s top contributors that season.
Having said that, if the club genuinely believes Anderson is the midfielder, similar to how Arsenal viewed Rice, then they should absolutely push for him. It’s not like United haven’t beaten City to players financially before either. We outbid them for Maguire and reportedly did the same with Fred. The difference is City usually walk away once they feel the price no longer represents value.
Honestly, I don’t think Anderson - like Rice at the time - has a clear preference. But honestly, most English players grow up dreaming of playing for Manchester United, whether they openly admit it or not. In the end, it’ll probably just come down to who’s willing to pay more.
I would like him to take Keano's shirt.
It’s not as simple as that
Forrest will likely accept highest bidder
Then there is city being in a better position vs the romance of restoring Man Utd
Both good options if you’re a neutral
Ideally we say to his agent we will match city’s offer after Forrest accepts.
Man City get slapped with a massive points deduction or worse :-0
We become the best option.
Man City get slapped with a massive points deduction or worse :-0
We become the best option.
You can if he’s going to be the next cm superstar
That's debatable. A year ago it was Baleba, now he's seemingly dropped off a cliff. You can't put all your eggs in the basket unless it's a player who's done that for a few more years in the PL.
I do like the approach we took last summer where we only went for players who had us as their no.1 option. Removed so much faff and red tape.
Agreed. No more De Jong shenanigans
I disagree. That kind of thinking under Woodward is why we squandered millions, wracked up a load of debt and now don’t have the funds to compete with the elite clubs.
There are other options around the world. It’s about identifying them. I’m sure next season there will be another youngster rated highly like Anderson. Who would have thought Morgan Rogers would be going to the World Cup but Foden and Palmer wouldn’t 2 years ago?
Next time we should try and sign them before they’re valued at £120m. Clubs like Leipzig, Brighton and Bournemouth can manage it.
The strategy should follow the strategy from last season. Premier League proven at reasonable money and low value signings based on data. We should only be spending £100m when we need the final pieces to complete a title winning squad. We are no where near that yet.
City clearly have been briefing players this won't happen, otherwise why would elite players join them when they could be banned from European football or relegated at any moment?
That kind of spending is generally bad regardless of the situation your club is in. The success rate of +90m deals isn't good at all.
no one can compare these two. Anderson was good last year as well, he didn’t fall off a cliff
He’s just got it, I think he’ll be the next Kane level player, we used to go and get them.
Rooney and rio spring to mind, big money back then for a cb and 17/18 year old
You want us to be like Brighton and Bournemouth
I want us to be Man Utd
We spent big big money before Woodward and were super successful
You against getting him, assuming we can and it’s £100m+?
This is where we have to trust the scouts. If they reckon he''s the next ''Declan Rice '' in terms of impact in cm for a top team, than he is arguably worth it. Seems City bound though unfortunately. We didn't think Baleba was worth that money last year and rightfully pulled out. We do seem to rate Anderson higher according to reports.
I don't have a strong opinion on the player so the price doesn't help but I'm not against him either. I'm just making the point that very expensive deals are generally terrible for the buyer. It's in high risk-high reward territory with a fairly small success rate.
if you can get him for 100m then you pull the trigger but if it's getting to 120m then that's just stupid and not worth the deal
Obviously I’m not saying we want to be like Bournemouth and Brighton. The point is their scouts and data finds them hidden talent at a fraction of the cost we have to pay. Of course United cannot take as many risks as these clubs do. However we need to do it more often in our current financial position and standing in the league.
Look at our bench last season, we never had anyone to bring on. If we spent £120m on one player what if he gets injured? There will be less players joining because the budget has been spent on one player and if he did get injured the starting 11 is unchanged from last year except the downgrade of Casemiro to Ederson. It doesn’t make a lot of sense in my opinion.
But carry on playing fantasy football like the club has infinite money whilst borrowing to fund the transfer budget.
That seems a bit arbitrary
I'd be happy with Ederson and Anderson as opposed to the purchase of 3 other midfield players for a similar outlay.
I would pay whatever to forest, provided he actually is desperate to join us, if not he can feck off.
Players who have gone for £100m+ in recent years
Bellingham
Grealish
Caicedo
Enzo Fernandez
Joao Felix
Rice
Wirtz
I’m not sure you can argue more than two clear successes in there (Bellingham and Rice). Caicedo and Enzo are good but not worth the fee so far. Grealish won a treble but didn’t pull up any trees individually. Wirtz has time on his side and Felix has been a huge dud.
Bellingham
Grealish
Caicedo
Enzo Fernandez
Joao Felix
Rice
Wirtz
I’m not sure you can argue more than two clear successes in there (Bellingham and Rice). Caicedo and Enzo are good but not worth the fee so far. Grealish won a treble but didn’t pull up any trees individually. Wirtz has time on his side and Felix has been a huge dud.
And you dont know that they wont.
City have more spending power and fewer positions of need. We both know that is true.
Therefore, that gives them a massive upper hand and ability to outbid United or any other club.
If they want Anderson, they will get him. Especially when the seller is Marinakis, who will want every last penny.
That doesn't really have any impact on the success of Anderson though, does it?
Non of those players "failed" because of their price tag.