Elliot Anderson | Ornstein: City submit offer | rejected by Forest

sparx99 said:
Players who have gone for £100m+ in recent years

Bellingham
Grealish
Caicedo
Enzo Fernandez
Joao Felix
Rice
Wirtz

I’m not sure you can argue more than two clear successes in there (Bellingham and Rice). Caicedo and Enzo are good but not worth the fee so far. Grealish won a treble but didn’t pull up any trees individually. Wirtz has time on his side and Felix has been a huge dud.
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The CMs on that list did better than the other positions, for what it's worth.

Not sure that means much for Anderson either way
 
Josep Dowling said:
Obviously I’m not saying we want to be like Bournemouth and Brighton. The point is their scouts and data finds them hidden talent at a fraction of the cost we have to pay. Of course United cannot take as many risks as these clubs do. However we need to do it more often in our current financial position and standing in the league.

Look at our bench last season, we never had anyone to bring on. If we spent £120m on one player what if he gets injured? There will be less players joining because the budget has been spent on one player and if he did get injured the starting 11 is unchanged from last year except the downgrade of Casemiro to Ederson. It doesn’t make a lot of sense in my opinion.

But carry on playing fantasy football like the club has infinite money whilst borrowing to fund the transfer budget.
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Every club wants to do that, but it isn’t that common
Otherwise Brighton would have a team of superstars for 10 mil
If we want to be the best need to buy the best, for certain players you go big. Again like we used to
 
gaffs said:
And you dont know that they wont.

City have more spending power and fewer positions of need. We both know that is true.

Therefore, that gives them a massive upper hand and ability to outbid United or any other club.

If they want Anderson, they will get him. Especially when the seller is Marinakis, who will want every last penny.
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Worst case scenario we make city pay more then, in your world, no negative to see here
 
Reds Under The Bed said:
City clearly have been briefing players this won't happen, otherwise why would elite players join them when they could be banned from European football or relegated at any moment?
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City don’t know anything to brief anyone on. You think it wouldn’t have leaked already if they did? And what would holding on to that information benefit? Why would the governing bodies hold on to that info but tell City so they can go and buy players.

I get the whole circus around football rumours and what not, it’s what makes football fun, but there has to be an element of common sense in these things.

No one is going to know shit until it gets announced, and even then City and the PL will be told an hour or two before the official announcement and even then it will trickle down to media outlets.

But until then I see no player moving to City until after the WC. As the rumour is it will be announced before or during the WC.
 
Reds Under The Bed said:
City clearly have been briefing players this won't happen, otherwise why would elite players join them when they could be banned from European football or relegated at any moment?
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How can they know that until the judge issues his verdict? I assume that they have sold it to the players by way of saying a) they are confident that they will be cleared b) even if it does happen it's basically just one season out of the Prem and c) offered very juicy financial compensation packages if the worst does happen.
 
Nothing much is going to happen about Anderson or Tchouameni until after the world cup, so a couple of months time. Best enjoy your summer until then.
 
Not sure anyone will pay 120m for him, even City would be reluctant to go over 100m. He is a very good midfielder and will show this at the World Cup, but it is crazy money, even for 2026
 
gaffs said:
That doesn't really have any impact on the success of Anderson though, does it?

Non of those players "failed" because of their price tag.
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More that it’s hard for any player to be worth it
 
hellhunter said:
The CMs on that list did better than the other positions, for what it's worth.

Not sure that means much for Anderson either way
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Yeah, just interesting.

I think you could even make an argument that Arsenal would have been stronger with two £50m midfielders vs Rice alone potentially.

The likes of Vitinha and Neves were recruited for that kind of money as were Guimaraes & Tonali.
 
With Tchouameni seemingly off the table I think United have to go in strong for him now. I don't see any other available midfielder that will impact the midfield in the way he would. There's excellent potential in some of the other names like Mateus Fernandes and Baleba but IMO these all come with far more risk.

I feel as confident about Anderson as I did about Rice in the summer 2023 window in saying that he'll be a success. Not necessarily saying he'll justifying being worth £100m+ exactly, but he'll be a very good player for United just like Rice is for Arsenal.

I think you'd rather potentially overpay slightly for a sure thing (or as close to as you can get) than spend in the £60-70m and end up with a dud you want to get rid of in 12 months time. The other names like those I mentioned still need to take it up a notch and develop to be at the level of a United starting midfield, Anderson is a plug-and-play upgrade from week 1 who'll fit whatever role he's asked to play pretty well.
 
Is he really gonna pick City now with Pep gone and the possibility of the 115 charges sending them down the leagues?
 
I don't think we'll know anything on Anderson until sometime in July.

It would be genuinely negligent on the part of his agent to make a decision to go to City without knowing the outcome of the charges, which is still unclear. The player is flying to Miami for the pre-World Cup training camp today and there's really just no rush to get a deal done because the PL season doesn't start until August 22nd. Assuming England makes it at least a few rounds into the knockouts, he's going to be at the World Cup until early-mid July and then likely given four weeks off so he isn't going to start training anywhere until early-mid August.
 
You never really know the motivations of players behind the scenes and clearly nothing is going to happen this side of the World Cup.

It's clear that United are wanting to ramp up their spend throughout the window. If you buy from cheaper to expensive through the window you're less likely to self-inflate the market ("You paid X for a player last week, so we want at least that"). Fingers crossed we get Ederson and Fernandes done in the next couple of weeks. If we could get Hall or Diouf as well that would be amazing. We will have a large part of our squad turning up for the first day of preseason since they're not at the WC.

After that, in an ideal world we go for the big name - the top tier name that announces we mean business next season and that's the intangible. You don't know what's going to be key in these discussions. It might be having Carrick who played in midfield and has won it all, it might that someone prefers to become a legend by making a team winners rather than being another body in an already winning team. Of course, at some point the charges will come out, but I very much doubt anyone will announce it to overshadow the WC.

Maybe Keane can go and tell him what moving from Forest to United did for him.
 
DannyCAFC said:
With Tchouameni seemingly off the table I think United have to go in strong for him now. I don't see any other available midfielder that will impact the midfield in the way he would. There's excellent potential in some of the other names like Mateus Fernandes and Baleba but IMO these all come with far more risk.
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I don't think that Fernandes is anywhere near the risk that Baleba is. Certainly not on the form of the last season. For me, he looks to have a very bright future.
 
sparx99 said:
Players who have gone for £100m+ in recent years

Bellingham
Grealish
Caicedo
Enzo Fernandez
Joao Felix
Rice
Wirtz

I’m not sure you can argue more than two clear successes in there (Bellingham and Rice). Caicedo and Enzo are good but not worth the fee so far. Grealish won a treble but didn’t pull up any trees individually. Wirtz has time on his side and Felix has been a huge dud.
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Caicedo isnt worth the fee? Are you serious?.

I am not sure I can name 2 better search and destroy midfielders in the world. If Caicedo became available today despite Chelsea's poor season, its Real or nothing!
 
Silverman said:
Is he really gonna pick City now with Pep gone and the possibility of the 115 charges sending them down the leagues?
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Clearly him and his people don't believe City will get a severe punishment so still gonna be heading there
 
Loon said:
Now, imagine if the PL grow a pair, punish the cheating pricks, and slap a multi window transfer ban on 115?
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Then Anderson would be the guy who only came to Utd because of City getting punished. He can feck right off. Go to Citeh, enjoy their downfall from the front row.
 
surf said:
Nothing much is going to happen about Anderson or Tchouameni until after the world cup, so a couple of months time. Best enjoy your summer until then.
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Agree. He wont be agreeing or announcing a move mid World Cup.

Plus, Marinakis will want to drag this out.

It will all go quiet until after the World Cup.
 
TRUE NUMBER 9 said:
I don't think that Fernandes is anywhere near the risk that Baleba is. Certainly not on the form of the last season. For me, he looks to have a very bright future.
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Fernandes passed the eye tests but if I remember rightly the underlying numbers weren't all that impressive (will have to take another look later).

On the basis of this season yes he looks much less risky than Baleba - but remember the latter was in excellent form at one point as well before the drop off.
 
Mbeumonation said:
Caicedo isnt worth the fee? Are you serious?.

I am not sure I can name 2 better search and destroy midfielders in the world. If Caicedo became available today despite Chelsea's poor season, its Real or nothing!
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I am confused by your point. He is so good that if he became available he must end up at Real or retire?

Or he must either go to Real or stay at Chelsea because Chelsea would only deem Real worthy of purchasing him? Why?
 
Moiraine said:
So is he 100% City bound?
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It's looking that way, but I don't think it's 100%. Ultimately, it will be decided after the World Cup now as he's with the England squad in the US now. Who knows a special bond might be created with Kobbie or City charges might land which alters his thinking.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Fernandes passed the eye tests but if I remember rightly the underlying numbers weren't all that impressive (will have to take another look later).

On the basis of this season yes he looks much less risky than Baleba - but remember the latter was in excellent form at one point as well before the drop off.
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There are online rumours, that City are going to pullout due to the valuation difference between the two clubs. Forest aren't budging from their £115-£125mil valuation.

He may end up staying at forest next season.
 
dinostar77 said:
There are online rumours, that City are going to pullout due to the valuation difference between the two clubs. Forest aren't budging from their £115-£125mil valuation.

He may end up staying at forest next season.
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Would love to see it but no chance that happens
 
Stinkypete said:
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What is a 'grade'? I wouldn't put any real weight into this without any in-depth explanation. I'd imagine it's a self-created, entirely unique algorithm and these things never make much sense. Percentiles will be much more reflective of the truth without bias.
 
DannyCAFC said:
With Tchouameni seemingly off the table I think United have to go in strong for him now. I don't see any other available midfielder that will impact the midfield in the way he would. There's excellent potential in some of the other names like Mateus Fernandes and Baleba but IMO these all come with far more risk.

I feel as confident about Anderson as I did about Rice in the summer 2023 window in saying that he'll be a success. Not necessarily saying he'll justifying being worth £100m+ exactly, but he'll be a very good player for United just like Rice is for Arsenal.

I think you'd rather potentially overpay slightly for a sure thing (or as close to as you can get) than spend in the £60-70m and end up with a dud you want to get rid of in 12 months time. The other names like those I mentioned still need to take it up a notch and develop to be at the level of a United starting midfield, Anderson is a plug-and-play upgrade from week 1 who'll fit whatever role he's asked to play pretty well.
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Tchoumeni isn't off the table. Public statement from clubs regarding transfers should never be taken at face value, especially not from Madrid. I've lost count of the times a club has said a player's not for sale only to sell them that same window. There likely won't be movement on a lot of the big transfer targets will after the WC when dominos will start falling. In the mean time we should try to get the likes of Ederson, Fernandes and Hall wrapped up as that'll strengthen our position when other players start moving later this summer.
 
DannyCAFC said:
What is a 'grade'? I wouldn't put any real weight into this without any in-depth explanation. I'd imagine it's a self-created, entirely unique algorithm and these things never make much sense. Percentiles will be much more reflective of the truth without bias.
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He ranks very well against PL peers for various passing, carrying and defensive metrics in all the statistical analyses I've seen. EG: https://www.fotmob.com/players/1356312/mateus-fernandes
 
Zumbi said:
Tchoumeni isn't off the table. Public statement from clubs regarding transfers should never be taken at face value, especially not from Madrid. I've lost count of the times a club has said a player's not for sale only to sell them that same window. There likely won't be movement on a lot of the big transfer targets will after the WC when dominos will start falling. In the mean time we should try to get the likes of Ederson, Fernandes and Hall wrapped up as that'll strengthen our position when other players start moving later this summer.
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Madrid are not known to be a selling club, his wages are large relative to our wage structure, he's been Madrid's most consistent player injury wise, even filling in at CB. What is the compelling reason for them to sell him.
 
krazyrobus said:
Madrid are not known to be a selling club, his wages are large relative to our wage structure, he's been Madrid's most consistent player injury wise, even filling in at CB. What is the compelling reason for them to sell him.
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Madrid frequently do things in the market that aren’t logical. And they do sell players, often to bring in a shiny new toy. They already have lots of CM options and they’re rumoured to be interested in Rodri and Enzo Fernandes. At the moment none of us know whether Tchoumeni will become available this summer or not, but it’s certainly too early rule it out.
 
Zumbi said:
Madrid frequently do things in the market that aren’t logical. And they do sell players, often to bring in a shiny new toy. They already have lots of CM options and they’re rumoured to be interested in Rodri and Enzo Fernandes. At the moment none of us know whether Tchoumeni will become available this summer or not, but it’s certainly too early rule it out.
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Will they even try and sign either though, of course maybe Real will think it's possible to sign one (Rodri) and still keep Tchouameni happy too unfortunately
 
croadyman said:
Will they even try and sign either though, of course maybe Real will think it's possible to sign one (Rodri) and still keep Tchouameni happy too unfortunately
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Maybe, again, who knows. That’s my point. We don’t know enough about anything to know that he is definitely off the table. It’s barely even June and the transfer market is notoriously unpredictable. There will be lots of movement of bigger name players after the World Cup, and things leaked from clubs should never be taken at face value because bluffing is all part of transfer fun and games.
 
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