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Must be a happy guy tonight, can't lie, I'm disappointed we didn't go in hard for him, I think he's a great wee player, I've been wanting Arsenal to go for him the last 18 months.
I'm o.k with it. He's a good player don't get me wrong but dosen't quite give me the sort of vibes of being catalyst for us to say finish 7th next season which isn't impossible.

Within six months of O'Neill taking over we signed John Carew (Ashley Young came in same window) so that's what I'm looking for given it's much harder to go 11th-6th than 17th-11th in premier league.

Higher calibre is someone who's keeping him out of Argentina side currently.....Rodrigo De Paul. I know he's been linked with likes of Inter but also seen Leeds mentioned so would be disappointed if he ended up there.

Ideally I'd love a rapid player on the right just so we can stretch teams a bit more...how about Sanch... :lol:

Being a little more realistic Leon Bailey is someone who had a decent season for Leverkusen and they'd probably cash in now given they didn't make CL so him and Buendia and keeping Jack for another season is what I'm looking for.

Getting in Tammy Abraham would be amazing aswell but think he'll end up somewhere like West Ham with them in europe so we'll probably look for up and coming striker from europe.
 

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do they really though?
In terms of player development yes.

In last 18 months Mings, Watkins, Douglas Luiz and Emi Martinez have all become regulars or got their first caps for their countries while being with us so can see logic of Buendia wanting to come given he's on fringes of Argentina 11 now.
 

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I'm o.k with it. He's a good player don't get me wrong but dosen't quite give me the sort of vibes of being catalyst for us to say finish 7th next season which isn't impossible.

Within six months of O'Neill taking over we signed John Carew (Ashley Young came in same window) so that's what I'm looking for given it's much harder to go 11th-6th than 17th-11th in premier league.

Higher calibre is someone who's keeping him out of Argentina side currently.....Rodrigo De Paul. I know he's been linked with likes of Inter but also seen Leeds mentioned so would be disappointed if he ended up there.

Ideally I'd love a rapid player on the right just so we can stretch teams a bit more...how about Sanch... :lol:

Being a little more realistic Leon Bailey is someone who had a decent season for Leverkusen and they'd probably cash in now given they didn't make CL so him and Buendia and keeping Jack for another season is what I'm looking for.

Getting in Tammy Abraham would be amazing aswell but think he'll end up somewhere like West Ham with them in europe so we'll probably look for up and coming striker from europe.
Think he also has the profile & work rate where he could also play in the 3 in midfield I reckon. I've mentioned a few times on here he reminds me of Santi Cazorla who started off as a wide midfielder then finished off his career central. I reckon he'd have ended up central if we had signed him. Might be an option for you's?
 

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I reckon he'll be a top 5 signings of the season for the PL.
 

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Think he also has the profile & work rate where he could also play in the 3 in midfield I reckon. I've mentioned a few times on here he reminds me of Santi Cazorla who started off as a wide midfielder then finished off his career central. I reckon he'd have ended up central if we had signed him. Might be an option for you's?
For sure...we played plenty of this last season

Watkins

Grealish Barkley Traore

Traore is excellent when on form but consistancy week to week isn't there, Barkley started about 25 games in the end but was massive disappointment when he came back from injury in January.

Would like Buendia to just take the Barkley position but seems he played loads for Norwich on the right. We could even just move Jack back to number 10 and start El Ghazi, another wildly inconsistant player but his goals and assists ratio was very good last season.
 

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In terms of player development yes.

In last 18 months Mings, Watkins, Douglas Luiz and Emi Martinez have all become regulars or got their first caps for their countries while being with us so can see logic of Buendia wanting to come given he's on fringes of Argentina 11 now.
Arsenal have also developed many players who have gone on to represent their country. Saka being a stand out and Tierney has also gone up a notch. Martinelli is currently on international duty.

Im sorry but I wouldn't say arsenal is in a worse off position than villa from a squad standpoint, a player development stand point or even a team performance standpoint.
 

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Really disappointed in Buendia, this is going to tarnish his reputation with the Norwich fans (they hate Villa). Why go to them when if they sell Grealish they'll be right back into a relegation fight with Norwich. He's got the opportunity of another year as the main man in the Prem, and then get the real big clubs after him next year.

Arsenal losing out to Villa is hilarious though.
 

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Buendia is a good player but not sure this is such a great deal. Matheus Pereira is available for about half the cost and seems like at least as good an option. Maybe Arsenal will get him, and might get the better end.

I don't agree that Villa minus Grealish and plus Buendia would be in a relegation fight, though. They have decent quality in most departments to be mid table and well above Norwich's level.
 

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For sure...we played plenty of this last season

Watkins

Grealish Barkley Traore

Traore is excellent when on form but consistancy week to week isn't there, Barkley started about 25 games in the end but was massive disappointment when he came back from injury in January.

Would like Buendia to just take the Barkley position but seems he played loads for Norwich on the right. We could even just move Jack back to number 10 and start El Ghazi, another wildly inconsistant player but his goals and assists ratio was very good last season.
Pretty much exclusively on the right except from a few games in his first season. I don't see any reason why he can't take Barkey's position though (apart from perhaps his temperament).
 

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I'm o.k with it. He's a good player don't get me wrong but dosen't quite give me the sort of vibes of being catalyst for us to say finish 7th next season which isn't impossible.

Within six months of O'Neill taking over we signed John Carew (Ashley Young came in same window) so that's what I'm looking for given it's much harder to go 11th-6th than 17th-11th in premier league.

Higher calibre is someone who's keeping him out of Argentina side currently.....Rodrigo De Paul. I know he's been linked with likes of Inter but also seen Leeds mentioned so would be disappointed if he ended up there.

Ideally I'd love a rapid player on the right just so we can stretch teams a bit more...how about Sanch... :lol:

Being a little more realistic Leon Bailey is someone who had a decent season for Leverkusen and they'd probably cash in now given they didn't make CL so him and Buendia and keeping Jack for another season is what I'm looking for.

Getting in Tammy Abraham would be amazing aswell but think he'll end up somewhere like West Ham with them in europe so we'll probably look for up and coming striker from europe.
Seen a lot of both players. Buendia is just as good, De Paul has just had more seasons in a top league to prove himself
 

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Buendia is a good player but not sure this is such a great deal. Matheus Pereira is available for about half the cost and seems like at least as good an option. Maybe Arsenal will get him, and might get the better end.

I don't agree that Villa minus Grealish and plus Buendia would be in a relegation fight, though. They have decent quality in most departments to be mid table and well above Norwich's level.
They'd likely be fine but wouldn't be a foregone conclusion. It's hardly a massive step up when he's good enough for a European club.

Norwich are as bad at selling as we are. 30 million to a potential rival where there's no financial pressure. He'll be worth double in a year or two like Maddison is now.
 

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They'd likely be fine but wouldn't be a foregone conclusion. It's hardly a massive step up when he's good enough for a European club.

Norwich are as bad at selling as we are. 30 million to a potential rival where there's no financial pressure. He'll be worth double in a year or two like Maddison is now.
But no way anyone would pay £50m+, he might agitate to go, and if they spend the money well they could be better off. Not so sure this is like Maddison but even if it were, you cannot sell based on some putative future success and especially not for a player with one less than spectacular season in the PL behind him.
 

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he was really good for them even back then. I think he was 3rd or 4th in the league in most created chances. For Norwich!
That is not a stat I place much meaning behind tbh. He was decent for them, wouldn't say anything more personally.
 

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But no way anyone would pay £50m+, he might agitate to go, and if they spend the money well they could be better off. Not so sure this is like Maddison but even if it were, you cannot sell based on some putative future success and especially not for a player with one less than spectacular season in the PL behind him.
Another good year in the Premiership and he's worth 40 easily. It's different to Maddison because he had to be sold, but the quality of player is very similar.

If Brentford sold Toney now (after one good year in the Championship vs Buendia tearing it up twice, and creating the 4th most chances in the Prem playing for bottom of the league) they'd get 30m. Of course they won't, bcos which club has ever sold their best player after promotion?

I don't think they'll be better off reinvesting, as how many Premiership quality players is £30m really going to get you? Especially when Norwich can't afford the wages.

Can't sell based on future success? Is that why we pay tens of millions for teenagers like Diallo?
 

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Another good year in the Premiership and he's worth 40 easily. It's different to Maddison because he had to be sold, but the quality of player is very similar.

If Brentford sold Toney now (after one good year in the Championship vs Buendia tearing it up twice, and creating the 4th most chances in the Prem playing for bottom of the league) they'd get 30m. Of course they won't, bcos which club has ever sold their best player after promotion?

I don't think they'll be better off reinvesting, as how many Premiership quality players is £30m really going to get you? Especially when Norwich can't afford the wages.

Can't sell based on future success? Is that why we pay tens of millions for teenagers like Diallo?
Diallo is not really comparable. That is a case of United being willing to take a punt on him being one of the best players in the world in a few years' time; something clearly not possible in Buendia's case.

I would say in this close season, while it is always difficult, it would be possible to elevate a team with £30m. I mean it has done before. The purchases of Cash, Traore, Martinez and Barkley, for example, elevated Villa last year. Wages... yes, but much there depends on appetite for risk. Norwich might be happier being a yoyo club and taking the £31m in these times doesn't seem so bad. I mean what if they get Pereira for just over half that? Unlikely perhaps due to competition but not impossible. Would look like smart business then.
 

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Diallo is not really comparable. That is a case of United being willing to take a punt on him being one of the best players in the world in a few years' time; something clearly not possible in Buendia's case.
I'm not comparing him to Buendia. I'm comparing him to the statement you can't sell players based on future success. I obviously just rate him a lot higher than you.

Nevertheless, I hope you're right but can't see it. That Villa lot must have been £60m plus and they didn't have to sell Grealish to fund it! Norwich are happier being a yoyo club, they can't take that risk being self funded. It just sucks when they were in more or less the exact same position as Villa only a few years ago. Peirera would be amazing but not going to happen.
 

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I'm not comparing him to Buendia. I'm comparing him to the statement you can't sell players based on future success. I obviously just rate him a lot higher than you.

Nevertheless, I hope you're right but can't see it. That Villa lot must have been £60m plus and they didn't have to sell Grealish to fund it! Norwich are happier being a yoyo club, they can't take that risk being self funded. It just sucks when they were in more or less the exact same position as Villa only a few years ago. Peirera would be amazing but not going to happen.
Yeah fair enough. The point I was trying to make (not very well) about selling is that in the end if you are going to sell a player you can only get the top end of what clubs are willing to pay. I think for Buendia £31m in the current market is at that top end so not really a bad deal for Norwich considering the player likely wanted the move. I don't think they could have got more by holding out, put it that way, and not so sure they would necessarily have been wise to try to keep him either. I mean not many other deals this summer to compare it to but Tomori for £26m looks like a better buy to me, just to put one example out there.

You are definitely right that I underestimated Villa's spending on their squad though. As you say, more like £60m than £30m for the mentioned players.
 

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They'd likely be fine but wouldn't be a foregone conclusion. It's hardly a massive step up when he's good enough for a European club.

Norwich are as bad at selling as we are. 30 million to a potential rival where there's no financial pressure. He'll be worth double in a year or two like Maddison is now.
Nobody in their right mind would pay 60m+ for Madison or Buendia.

They clearly got a fee they were comfortable with and the player wanted to get out. It's a win win, though how the feck Arsenal didn't get him over Villa is weird, unless Arsenal are skint and can't afford him.
 

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I'm not comparing him to Buendia. I'm comparing him to the statement you can't sell players based on future success. I obviously just rate him a lot higher than you.

Nevertheless, I hope you're right but can't see it. That Villa lot must have been £60m plus and they didn't have to sell Grealish to fund it! Norwich are happier being a yoyo club, they can't take that risk being self funded. It just sucks when they were in more or less the exact same position as Villa only a few years ago. Peirera would be amazing but not going to happen.
Pains me to say it but i suspect you are right , lets not forget they let Ben Godfrey go to everton for 30 mil last season . Small ground , and covid probably means they will be like this until either new investmant arrives or the ground is extended . Very well run club on the whole though
 

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Helps Grealish a lot too — assuming he stays and this isn’t a stylistic replacement.
Yeah I think he will too, he’s not as proficient at dribbling as Grealish, but he’s not awful either and his passing will definitely add another feather in Villa’s cap. He’s very good at getting a tune around the players him, great at finding players but also willing to make runs and find space. I hope he settles in and does well because I like watching him.


Argentine press reporting we (Villa) agreed 30m fee with Norwich and he's passed a medical already.

He's a good player for sure but not convinced he's right fit for us on the right as we need more quick player for that position.

If he's coming in as a Barkley replacement, fair enough.
I think there’s a good chance it will be as the Barkley replacement. He does start on the right but it always feels like a pretty nominal starting position as he spends so much time taking up central positions where he can effect the game more.
 

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They'd likely be fine but wouldn't be a foregone conclusion. It's hardly a massive step up when he's good enough for a European club.

Norwich are as bad at selling as we are. 30 million to a potential rival where there's no financial pressure. He'll be worth double in a year or two like Maddison is now.
They bought him for 1.5 million and are now selling him for 30 million. Thats a great deal for Norwich.
 

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Nobody in their right mind would pay 60m+ for Madison or Buendia.

They clearly got a fee they were comfortable with and the player wanted to get out. It's a win win, though how the feck Arsenal didn't get him over Villa is weird, unless Arsenal are skint and can't afford him.
They were talking 100m for Maddison last year! He'd comfortably go for £60m if Leicester were to sell. That's why it doesn't feel like a great deal for Norwich when we've seen Maddison's value skyrocket and know Buendia is a better player (I've watched them both live a lot).

They bought him for 1.5 million and are now selling him for 30 million. Thats a great deal for Norwich.
Great profit (albeit they bought out Getafe's sell on clause for an extra few million), but it's still disappointing right after promotion.

With Aarons off next and Skipp already gone, you can pencil 20th in for Norwich already unless they buy amazingly.
 

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Must be frustrating for Norwich fans selling their best player for a rather small fee. The partnership of Buendia and Pukki is pretty much the thing that made them too good for Championship twice. Extremely hard to see them staying up now, even if they could keep Skipp (on loan), Aarons and Cantwell. If they don’t wisely reinvest the money from player sales, they will be stuck in Championship soon.

As for Villa, Buendia and JWP would be some big statement signings. Especially if they can keep their current key players, they should comfortably do better than they did this season.
 

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Arsenal can't even compete with Villa :lol:
I don't think it was that simple as there are many other factors involved in a player choosing a club over another. Is this case; Buendia and Martinez have the same agent. They're both close friends and they're both Argentine. No rocket science there. Additionally, negotiating agent fees (which are critical to transfers) would have been easier between Villa and their agent as they already have a relationship with Emi's transfer.
 

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I don' think it was that simple as there are many other factors involved in a player choosing a club over another. Is this case; Buendia and Martinez have the same agent. They're both close friends and they're both Argentine. No rocket science there.
Who was the Argentine with the same agent as him at Norwich?

If Arsenal would have been exciting for him he would have gone.
 

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Who was the Argentine with the same agent as him at Norwich?

If Arsenal would have been exciting for him he would have gone.

It's not always that simple. You can probably point to many Utd transfers that weren't successful as a result of agent issues. Maybe the player felt like he would have gotten more playing time at Villa and be a more integral part of the squad. Maybe his friend moved the needle a bit. I see what you're trying imply but transfers aren't always about "Utd/Arsenal, etc are bigger clubs hence players would chose them over another".
 

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It's not always that simple. You can probably point to many Utd transfers that weren't successful as a result of agent issues. Maybe the player felt like he would have gotten more playing time at Villa and be a more integral part of the squad. Maybe his friend moved the needle a bit. I see what you're trying imply but transfers aren't always about "Utd/Arsenal, etc are bigger clubs hence players would chose them over another".
Thats where money comes in
 

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Really disappointed in Buendia, this is going to tarnish his reputation with the Norwich fans (they hate Villa). Why go to them when if they sell Grealish they'll be right back into a relegation fight with Norwich. He's got the opportunity of another year as the main man in the Prem, and then get the real big clubs after him next year.

Arsenal losing out to Villa is hilarious though.
Even if this were true you think he gives a feck? :lol:
 

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I don't think it was that simple as there are many other factors involved in a player choosing a club over another. Is this case; Buendia and Martinez have the same agent. They're both close friends and they're both Argentine. No rocket science there. Additionally, negotiating agent fees (which are critical to transfers) would have been easier between Villa and their agent as they already have a relationship with Emi's transfer.
Exactly, people forget how big a part this can play. Both are away with the national team as well, so perfect for Villa to get Martinez to work on Buendia. Both friends, from the same town, both played at Getafe together.

It's probably the reason why Bissouma seems to favour an Arsenal move over others, because he has the chance to play with Pepe & Gabriel again like he did at Lille.

Villa got their offer accepted, it seems we didnt, & Buendia was happy to go to Villa. They've shown they have money & seem to be ambitious, & we're not exactly at a high point ourselves. It's just one we need to take on the chin. It happens, there's plenty other good players out there.
 

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Even if this were true you think he gives a feck? :lol:
It is true. And yes, I'd like to think a player would care about the fans who worship him, of the club that has given him the opportunity to make a name for himself in the biggest league in the world. Not sure what's so hilarious.