Emi Martinez

leeroyTX said:
My preference would be Mike Maignan. Seems like the prices quoted to Chelsea were pretty reasonable and I think he's a clear upgrade over Ohnono. £25m feels pretty reasonable.
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Yeah that would be my top choice
 
I don’t want us to sign this guy. Why give Villa a lot of money for a 33 year old keeper?
 
I do think it's funny that the same report that said we're in for him, is also saying Onana is talking to Mbeumo about coming to United.

I don't think it'll happen generally. He won't be on a free which I think it'd take for his wages at his age to be worth it.
 
Pirlo'sBeard said:
This guy clocked out after the World Cup.
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Come on, that's some bushy beard you live in if you trully believe that, it's note even remotely true.

I can get that if someone simply does not like the lad, well it's just that. Yet the theories of him being just a WC champ keeper, or him being horrendous last season are simply not true.
I guess that his age and him far from being a liked fella has a lot to do with such extreme views, but it's becoming a bit bizarre this thread.
 
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It will only take one error for everyone to be on this guy's back and saying he's too old, past it, etc.

It's better going for someone who at least still has a point to prove and is on an upward developmental curve rather than a big name hunting one last paycheck. It worked with VDS because he hadn't completely fulfilled his potential after his spell in Italy and committing to Fulham's abandoned project.
 
Fobal said:
Martinez it's not just marginally better than Onana at any aspect, atribute (Onana once was quite great with his feet, better than Martinez, he just have his confidence a bit low) or point in their carreers. He has been a quite better keeper than him since time.

Yet United at current state can drag any keeper to the worse, even Onana being my cup of tea, he can be better than his last season.
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Quite a bit better? I'm not sure about that. I'm no fan of Onana, but I really do think we're making him a scapegoat far more than is deserved. True, his brilliant footwork never translated into anything for us, but he's no worse than Martinez with his footwork. As for shot stopping, Martinez is superior but neither are brilliant shot stoppers.
 
lex talionis said:
Quite a bit better? I'm not sure about that. I'm no fan of Onana, but I really do think we're making him a scapegoat far more than is deserved. True, his brilliant footwork never translated into anything for us, but he's no worse than Martinez with his footwork. As for shot stopping, Martinez is superior but neither are brilliant shot stoppers.
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I was saying that Onana looked more skill with his feet till he lost his confidence, yet Martinez has what it's need.

Every time I read here talking about Martinez as some sort of cat alike/shot stopper keeper a la Fillol, Casillas or De Gea in decline makes me think how much do people actually know the guy style.

Yes he'll have some classic shot stops, but Martinez mostly is a classic goalkeepper, from the ones that preffers positioning, to be on his front foot in his area or risk himself one on one with an attacker. That would try always to grab the ball if possible when they shoot at him, or send it sideways, that will seek crosses, corners and will want to be dominant in his area...with all that, it also comes some extra shithousery and an overconfidence that can end in some avoidable mistake, it's what comes with the package for all the good stuff.

I do not like to play the IF games, yet Martinez solved the NT keeper situation since the very first minute he put on the shirt and he was vital for Villa because of that all around game he brings in a team that would always be exposed. Onana would not have been able to do that because lots of that stuff needed in the Argie NT specially or Villa ain't in his bag and his style. And believe me, he is quite a better kepper and from the sort that actually makes his mates trust in him.

I get it that like just was said by @LDUred, there will be lots of people just waiting for his first mistake to come over him, that he is 33, that his last season wasn't as great as prior ones, that I trully don't see him having a great time with someone like Harry, etc...yet the ammount of over the top silly stuff that has been said against him regarding his capability/atributes as a keeper, about his carreer and not if we like him or not as a fella, has been way off the mark.

Finally, I can be wrong, yet I don't see him seeking a last paycheck, more like seeking that opportunity that never had in Arsenal, even if Man Utd it's in this poor state and it will be risky for him because of some of the stuff I've said above. He is ambitious, he takes care of himself, he is a complete looney yet he does not seem like a fella that just seeks a last paycheck.
 
You can think he's not exactly what we need but still a massive upgrade. How anyone is saying Onana and Martinez are similar in quality/reliability is baffling! Even Martinez after by his standards a poor season is comfortably better.
 
Look, I'd be happy not to sign Emi Martinez. Put that to one side. We need a clear upgrade. But ultimately, those stats are down to interpretation. There's absolutely no way Onana's errors only led to 4 goals. Off the top of my head, there was one against Brighton he just chucked in. One against Forest, which was dreadful. One against Spurs where he just palms it to Maddison. The goal against Newcastle where he just stood there as a slow header came towards him.

Stats dont take into account how much fans and defenders are shitting themselves when he's the last line of defence. Stats dont see the bonus points you get from Sainsburys with all the Just For Men you have to buy since he became out first choice keeper. He's fecking dog shit. Martinez may not be the right choice, but he's better than Onana by a country mile.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
So that doesn’t include errors that led to goals, just one specific classification of errors.

This doesn’t pick up Cunha scoring direct from a corner. Or conceding a goal from a shot in the middle of the goal against Forest.

Pointless stat.
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How is the Cunha one a goalkeeping error?
Whether or not people consider it a foul, he gets bumped as he's jumping for the ball.
 
The stat is crap but Martinez isn't the answer.
 
sebsheep said:
How is the Cunha one a goalkeeping error?
Whether or not people consider it a foul, he gets bumped as he's jumping for the ball.
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It’s an error, it’s an error in his fundamentals, but irrespective of whether you think it is or not - I’ve highlighted what a pointless stat was quoted in here to defend Onana. That’s the overarching point.
 
Fobal said:
I was saying that Onana looked more skill with his feet till he lost his confidence, yet Martinez has what it's need.

Every time I read here talking about Martinez as some sort of cat alike/shot stopper keeper a la Fillol, Casillas or De Gea in decline makes me think how much do people actually know the guy style.

Yes he'll have some classic shot stops, but Martinez mostly is a classic goalkeepper, from the ones that preffers positioning, to be on his front foot in his area or risk himself one on one with an attacker. That would try always to grab the ball if possible when they shoot at him, or send it sideways, that will seek crosses, corners and will want to be dominant in his area...with all that, it also comes some extra shithousery and an overconfidence that can end in some avoidable mistake, it's what comes with the package for all the good stuff.

I do not like to play the IF games, yet Martinez solved the NT keeper situation since the very first minute he put on the shirt and he was vital for Villa because of that all around game he brings in a team that would always be exposed. Onana would not have been able to do that because lots of that stuff needed in the Argie NT specially or Villa ain't in his bag and his style. And believe me, he is quite a better kepper and from the sort that actually makes his mates trust in him.

I get it that like just was said by @LDUred, there will be lots of people just waiting for his first mistake to come over him, that he is 33, that his last season wasn't as great as prior ones, that I trully don't see him having a great time with someone like Harry, etc...yet the ammount of over the top silly stuff that has been said against him regarding his capability/atributes as a keeper, about his carreer and not if we like him or not as a fella, has been way off the mark.

Finally, I can be wrong, yet I don't see him seeking a last paycheck, more like seeking that opportunity that never had in Arsenal, even if Man Utd it's in this poor state and it will be risky for him because of some of the stuff I've said above. He is ambitious, he takes care of himself, he is a complete looney yet he does not seem like a fella that just seeks a last paycheck.
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Martinez is definitely the kind of keeper that you love him if he's on your team and you hate him if he's on the opposing team. He's a bit nutty, which can be a good thing, but I find him to be erratic, often making brilliant stops but sometimes leaving you scratching your head wondering WTF was he thinking. This is what we have now, although with a keeper who's not quite as nutty.

If both were on offer on the same terms right now, I would take Martinez over Onana every single time. Being 33 is not a big problem for me. And if we are looking to upgrade on Onana with Martinez with a relatively minor net spend I'm ok with that too. But if the net spend to go from Onana to Martinez turns out to be 25m+, and because of that we have to trim our sails on bringing in another player in midfield or the front line, it's a hard no for me. What butchered us last season was the woefulness of our front line, almost to the point where it was actually hard to watch Hojlund with the ball at his feet. As bad as Onana was, and I am not a member of his fan club in any way, he was actually borderline fantastic for a 3-4 month stretch last season. I'm on board with giving him another season rather than deplete resources for a minor upgrade while other positions go unimproved.
 
Agree with Statman Dave. If we get rid of Onana, as we should, it needs to be for a better keeper.
 
Raoul said:
Agree with Statman Dave. If we get rid of Onana, as we should, it needs to be for a better keeper.
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Hopefully that's not by making a 50M signing like Diogo Costa. I'd have taken Kepa @ 5M for example or a punt on some keeper like Vicario. I think keeper scouting is mostly still pretty old school. If we have a scout that's good at identifying goal keepers then I'd take a punt at whoever they point to.
 
Teja said:
Hopefully that's not by making a 50M signing like Diogo Costa. I'd have taken Kepa @ 5M for example or a punt on some keeper like Vicario. I think keeper scouting is mostly still pretty old school. If we have a scout that's good at identifying goal keepers then I'd take a punt at whoever they point to.
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At a minimum Onana should get some competition from Vitek. If the latter performs well in cup games, it could wind up making things much easier for Amorim.
 
So desperate to see Onana out as have zero trust in him that in my mind this guy would be a massive upgrade, which probably isn't the case.
 
Teja said:
Hopefully that's not by making a 50M signing like Diogo Costa. I'd have taken Kepa @ 5M for example or a punt on some keeper like Vicario. I think keeper scouting is mostly still pretty old school. If we have a scout that's good at identifying goal keepers then I'd take a punt at whoever they point to.
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We were linked with Lammens from Antwerp along these lines, a month or so back by Simon Stone. Seems like a reasonable kind of punt. The idea was apparently to get rid of Bayindir and let Lammens compete with Onana. I guess we'd need to sell first before we see any movement on that front.

15-20m price probably. Better than chucking more than double that around for a lad who apparently hasn't had a great season and Porto fans wouldn't mind seeing moved on.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Based on that random stat?
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Based on that and the general eye test. Martinez is a good keeper but he wouldn't be some sort of revolutionary upgrade on Onana, especially given his age. I'd rather get an emerging younger keeper in the young De Gea mold so we don't find ourselvesback in the market for another keeper for the better part of the next decade.
 
Raoul said:
Based on that and the general eye test. Martinez is a good keeper but he wouldn't be some sort of revolutionary upgrade on Onana, especially given his age. I'd rather get an emerging younger keeper in the young De Gea mold so we don't find ourselvesback in the market for another keeper for the better part of the next decade.
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I think we all acknowledge Onana needs replacing, and needs replacing now.

I also think most of us agree Martinez would be an improvement. But by how much is obviously debatable.

The financial package to bring him in, I would suspect is far too big. I don’t mind a keeper that is of that age, that fits the bill, just not at the costs that are likely with Martinez. There are so many keepers we could buy.
 
Raoul said:
He's marginally better, but definitely not miles better. He's also already in his 30s, so likely wouldn't be a long term solution.
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I think he'd be too expensive, and so isn't on the cards anyway. I do think he's miles better though. Onana is the worst in the league in my opinion.
 
Raoul said:
He's marginally better, but definitely not miles better. He's also already in his 30s, so likely wouldn't be a long term solution.
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He really is miles better mate. Onana is a tragedy…..Martinez isn’t coming off the best season but even his worst form is better than Onana’s best
 
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