England squad (Games against Bulgaria and Kosovo)

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    Jimmy Skitz Full Member

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    if you can't work out how to fit someone like Maddison into a 433 when his club team is literally playing the same system then you should resign as you are clearly too dumb to be a manager
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    The Ox looks to have lost some pace to me since the injury, he looks very cumbersome.
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    Jimmy Skitz Full Member

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    he probably needs 10 games to knock the rust off
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    Ah well, that's your opinion I guess.

    But Eriksen scores more, assists more, is a better finisher (on both feet, unlike Maddison) and they're both similar in terms of their passing range.

    I rate Maddison, but I think you'll struggle to find even some hardcore Leicester fans who think he's already better than Eriksen. If that was the case then there's no way Southgate could even dream of leaving him out.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    According to whoscored you haven't played him a 4-3-3 system this season in the position that Barkley and Henderson were playing for England.

    https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/14/Show/England-Leicester
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    Jimmy Skitz Full Member

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    they also kept saying we were playing 4231 last season when anyone with eyes that watched saw it was a 433, first 2 games it was a 4231 with him on the left, next 2 it was 433 with him playing CM
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    Saying Maddison is better than Eriksen pretty much invalidates any opinion you may have on the guy tbh.

    It's Rashford > Mbappe levels of delusion.
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    SquishyMcSquish Full Member

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    :lol: Weird isn't it.

    Not to mention I bet Alli will go straight in to the lineup (southgate seemed to be able to force him in pretty comfortably) when he's back/in some kind of form, and he plays more advanced than Maddison does. And he found time to bring Mount in to the game who as far as I'm aware has been playing as the most advanced midfielder in a 4-2-3-1 for Chelsea this season.

    The 'doesnt fit in to the system' bullshit is just that. Southgate clearly just doesn't rate him that highly for whatever reason. Time will tell whether he's right on that or not.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    Yeah, he was just all round impressive as a CM, and I was already impressed with him as a LW who'd cut in and playmake like how Nasri and D.Silva used to do together at City, too.

    I thought he built a good understanding with Maguire, Chillwell and occasionally Barnes down your left last year as a CM. Replace Barnes with Sterling and England's left could cause so much havoc, never mind us just being lethal in general with Maddison playmaking behind Kane, Sterling and one of Rashford/Sancho.
    Oh, I definitely know I'm in the minority in regards to that opinion and that's completely fair and understandable.

    Yes, Eriksen has better stats, but Maddison's general play is just a lot better for me. I love how good he is at resisting pressing opposition with his excellent close control, ball shielding, and dribbling.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Fair enough if he doesn't rate him as highly as others, just that excuses/reasons for why he didn't play look bit weak.

    Can't blame him too much though, by far the best English NT manager I have seen or remember.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Eriksen is in the prime of his career. When he joined Spurs around the age Maddison is now his output for the first couple of seasons was around the same as Maddison's was in his first PL season. Players develop and get better as they get older.

    @Jimmy Skitz

    I'll take your word for it on the formation.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    Not really...

    Rashford, as much as I like and rate him, hasn't terrorized teams the way M'bappé has.

    Maddison last year created more chances in the PL than Pogba, De Bryune, D.Silva and Eriksen, and he was playing in a struggling team under Puel for the most part, too.

    Not to mention that as well as those chances created, he scored some bangers, too, and his general play was, to me, more impressive than Eriksen's. He looked like a PL veteran in his debut season.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Someone should create video of all the chances created by Maddison. IIRC his average xA per chance created was low. Looks like headers won from set pieces.
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    Yeah, I don't wanna harp too much on Southgate. Regardless of his decision on Maddison he's done (and still doing) a great job!
    Still, we as United fans know a good set piece taker is important! :D
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Yeah, I know good set piece taker is worth a lot to the team but any header won is counted as a chance created. That's the problem with these chances created stats, especially for set piece takers.
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    The argument is that Maddison>Eriksen right now though, not what potential Maddison has. Whilst I think he has great ability, here and now Eriksen is a much more polished player than he is.

    @Yagami I respect your opinion and that's entirely fair, but whilst Maddison is definitely the more exciting dribbler and a better set piece taker, I don't think he takes anything else over Eriksen right now. And if we're talking bangers then we all know what Eriksen is capable of in that regard.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    He was 9th in xA in the Premier League last season though, one ahead of........Eriksen in 10th :). Eriksen had more assists by virtue of playing with players like Kane which enabled him to comfortably outperform his xA.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    True, mate. Even if he just passed it to someone next to him from far out and they have a lash counts so it can be misleading, granted!

    Still, the games I watch of Leicester he really is a creative player. England's best at the moment, imo.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    Yeah, that's fair, mate.

    For me, it just comes down to personal preference from what I like to see in a CM which is why I'm not saying my opinion is fact or anything, and can see why people don't agree which is definitely understandable.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Yeah, I like him. He is very talented player. It's just that stats abuse is too much when it comes to Maddison. Most chances created should be considered with other stats to give better context.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Yeah, not saying he isn't good player. Obviously he is. Just that people should calm down with "most chances created" stat whenever Maddison is discussed. Most don't know that any header won by attacker from set pieces is a chance created, doesn't matter how good or bad the set piece is.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    The reason I was so impressed with said stat was because I thought De Bryune and D.Silva would be way ahead of everyone when you factor in how good both are, how creative in general they are, and how they (City) seemingly have 20-30 shots a game regardless of opposition! Though that probably isn't true, it sure does feel like they have that many shots.
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    Nah, Eriksen scored 10 and assisted 12 in his first season at Spurs despite playing the majority of the season on the left of a flat midfield four. Maddison's stats are inferior even though he played a more offensive role. He's been the superior player by far at every stage of his career.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Tbf to KdB, he barely played last season.
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    Maddison didn't impress in the U21 Euros in June. Foden looked better than him. To present him as a creative genius is premature. Very good and promising player but still a long way to go before being compared to the top creative players in the league, imo.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    You're right! I completely forgot about his injury problems as I try to avoid City when they're not facing us as it's depressing how good they are :lol:
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    Honestly, if he was half as good as he's billed to be he wouldn't be at Leicester right now (and would be able to get on the pitch for England).
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    Jimmy Skitz Full Member

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    England rely on set pieces, I wonder if having someone with exceptional delivery might be of benefit?
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Where did you get those stats from?

    First season he got 15 goals and assists combined and second season he got 12. I'm talking PL obviously because that's the high level competition they both play in.

    Maddison got 14 combined last season.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    Fair enough if you disagree, mate.

    Leicester are a good team, though, and I think some of the big teams were looking at him the window just gone as well? I remember us being linked to him a fair bit, but I don't think Leicester were ever going to sell this season unless, like Maguire, the fee was too big to turn down.
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    It's kind of interesting really. Before he went to Leicester, big teams looked at him and decided not to sign him, a year later the same thing happens. Southgate looks at him and doesn't give him a cap.

    Alarm bells would be going off in Souness's head if the lad was a few shades darker.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    :lol: Nice one.
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    I'm not sure if Phil Foden would be good enough for England seniors right now. He hasn't had enough of first team football to justify his inclusion. Considering that Maddison can't seem to get into the squad as well, which is weird since he certainly seems to be a top player. He is much more experienced at this level then Mason Mount anyway.