The French are shitting themselves I’d say!
England squad (Games against Czech Republic and Montenegro) | Rashford and Shaw called up
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Such a shambles the FAI are absolute crooks!
Kenny taking over can’t come quick enough!
You think the England team are overhyped, I don't agree. England fans are aware of our strengths, in attack, and our weaknesses , pretty much everywhere else.
Probably best to agree to disagree.
Kenny Cunningham is it?
True. But the biggest and best teams in the land usually provide the bulk of the national team's players (dependent on the size of the league).
Spain is mostly made up Real and Barca players. Same with Germany and Bayern. And Italy and Juventus.
United under Fergie had a shit ton of England players. The fact that we don't now is an indictment of United's current state, and it's easy to see why some may find that embarrassing.
If United were the best team in Europe and no English player could get in because they weren't good enough that would be one thing. But we're currently only 5th in the league and all the best players for the NT ply their trade for teams in the top 4. That's not a good look no matter how you paint it.
We should be the ones providing Kane, Sterling, Alli et al to England.
Yes, in a hypothetical world 'nationality' doesn't matter. But the pool of Premier League-ready players in understandably going to be skewed towards English players. And United should be hoovering up the best within that pool if we want to get to the top. If we did, we'd have more of an English presence by default.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting more England internationals in the side, especially during a period where England have better players than they’ve had in recent years, along with quite a few very talented young players coming through the ranks.
You would be hard pressed to find a club that wouldn’t want a Kane or Sterling playing for them, for example. There’s nothing wrong in saying that, as an English club, we should want to have the best English players in our ranks.
Yup
Nothing embarrassing about not having loads of them either
Obviously I’d gladly take Kane & sterling right now
United back then were far more successful than England
I’d argue England should have used scholes and say carrick better
But I see your point overall
Agree
Let’s move on
We kept it fairly civil at least
And we all have a CL QF to look forward to!
Aye pal.
No need to fall out over international shite, We're all Utd fans and that is the important thing.
You guys are not that bad, honestly.We’re shite don’t mind us
They just snuck past Gibraltar which is a particular low point for them. That said, they've got a lot of talent coming through in the youth teams at the moment so the future could be brighter. Dan Crowley declared for them too, he's more gifted than any player in their squad. If they could get Redmond to switch too it would help.
Very true. Apart from producing great England players from the academy, we also had a solid record for buying English talent. Young, Carrick, Smalling, Rooney, Rio, Smith, Sheringham, Cole.. the list goes on and on. In the years since Fergie, we've bought Luke Shaw and Lee Grant and that's it. Pretty shameful and the excuse that there's no value in buying homegrown players these days really doesn't wash when you look at the "value" we've had from most of our non-English signings.
That sounds promising - I'm always rooting for the other home nation teams. Scotland need to get their ish together everyone seems to be making progress but them.
I agree - it's not even just English we lack its also a strong British core. Im quite annoyed we don't have any Welsh, Irish or Scottish talents. It's something SAF prided himself in and we should have continued with it.
I feel Trevoh Chalobah is the most talented central defender England have to offer IMO. He's a defender in the mould of Jerome Boateng. His ball distribution is exceptional, technically gifted, and athletic too. Given Jack Grealish is out the picture due to playing in the Championship, Chalobah will need exposure in a higher division as he's been on loan to Chelsea. Fortunately, he's trained with the England before. However, he'll need to push for playing in the Bundesliga or something along those lines as Sarri isn't the type to give the youth a chance. Gomez is also quality. I still remember his exceptional performance against Brazil, and prior to his injury, he seemed to have improved further.
I would love to see a midfield experiment of Barkley - Winks - Foden. You might be thinking, where the pure DM fits in that midfield. One of the many things I enjoyed about England's U17 side was the performances of George McEachran. In case you aren't aware, his natural position is in a somewhat advanced role in midfield. Yet, he was deployed in a deeper role and flourished may I add. With Foden and Barkley being managed by the likes of Guardiola and Sarri, they're training in systems which rigorously focus on movement, occupying the half spaces, and dominating proceedings in possession. The added bonus being with Foden's locomotion, and Barkley's dynamism, it could potentially be quite the press resistant midfield.
I'm not English.
But you guys have a very good side. A young and very promising side.with a very good manager to boot.
Of course they will be bitter fans from the usual suspect countries. Pay no heed to them and just enjoy watching this side. You guys have hardly had anything to cheer about for decades. Last Summer you had your joint second best performance at a major tournament. There's finally a reason to cheer on this side.
I’d like a midfield of
———-Rice/Dier/Henderson———-
——-—Winks————Foden———-
To go to Euro 2020
As for centre backs coming through I’d nominate Tomori who is on loan at Derby from Chelsea. I think he’ll get a shot in the PL next year.
———-Rice/Dier/Henderson———-
——-—Winks————Foden———-
To go to Euro 2020
As for centre backs coming through I’d nominate Tomori who is on loan at Derby from Chelsea. I think he’ll get a shot in the PL next year.
Crowley was actually in our youth team but Arsenal came for him at 17-18. He did little in his loan spells at likes of Barnsley and Oxford. Is he still playing in Holland?
ROI is just like so many national teams, had a golden period in early 00s (Duff, Given, Finnan, Robbie and Roy Keane etc) and been decline in standards every since.
Late 90s/early 00s were golden age for international football when you look back. Even mid ranking nations like Norway, Turkey and Romania were ridiculously strong in those times.
He’s in Holland still. He’s a decent player in that league, scores some worldies now and then. I guess he doesn’t maintain his best form enough though.
I think he would have played for England if he could after flip flopping between both nations but has been in the wilderness for years now after not really developing to his potential.
If that was being reasonable I'd hate to see what you post when you're not.
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We have McTominay.
Honestly the lack of Non-English Home nations talent has more to do with the lack of talent there. I think I read the last Irish player to play in the Champions League for an English club was John O'Shea and I think that indicates the larger problem of why we lack any talents from those nations.
There was a golden era in the late 70s and 80s and 90s for irish and Scottish players and many Welsh ones too
As the premier league became more global their chances got less but ultimately the players are not there
England still has lots of good ones and wales have too
Ironically Northern Ireland are doing very good with players who aren’t world class either
Hudson-Odoi and Rice will start tonight.
Sancho and Henderson will not be risked from the start.
Sancho and Henderson will not be risked from the start.