I suspect I don’t want to know what that means.But you guys have homelander though.
I suspect I don’t want to know what that means.But you guys have homelander though.
Yep and also Maguire and Varane have been fairly comfortable in handling Kane whenever we've played against him, if we're going to do the whole club football thing...Maguire (and Lindelof to be fair) got absolutely wrecked by Giroud a few seasons a go when Chelsea beat us in the Semi Final of the FA Cup. He absolutely dominated our defence sadly.
How many times have we played a "world champion side in a knockout game in a major tournament away from Wembley" in the last several decades?I reckon it's 60-70% a France win. They have equally good players plus they have Mbappe and we have Maguire. Realiy is we have not in several decades beaten a World Champion side in a knock out game in a major tournament away from Wembley. The semi-final in Russia was the resultof a lucky draw. The Euro runs were at Wembley.
Yeah that's the game I was thinking of,we even took the lead too. One moment that sticks out more than the Ronaldinho goal was Beckham jumping the ball in lead up to their equaliser.Maybe the last time was against Brazil in 2002, although I can't remember how the teams were perceived before that match. In hindsight, you probably should have been underdogs against Germany in 2010, but that England team was still great on paper.
That's weird you're quoting me but I never said that?Yeah that's the game I was thinking of,we even took the lead too. One moment that sticks out more than the Ronaldinho goal was Beckham jumping the ball in lead up to their equaliser.
They should set up a sentry post and hire ex navy seal to be bodyguardsIt happens everywhere.
Theo Hernandez was robbed in Italy. There was an attempted robbery at Carvajal's home recently. Aubameyang was robbed and beaten in Catalonia recently.
As for America, a quick google search shows that Draymond Green's home was burglarized just this year. Vince Carter's home was burglarized, with his family in it, a few months later.
History also suggests that the current champions don't get close to winning the thing. Also there are parallels with Germany & France who came close to winning the last 2 Euros with up and coming teams and then ended up the winning the next world cup.The problem with this game is we aren't just facing the defending champions and top european seeds,there is history against us as have never beaten an elite team in a KO game away from Wembley.
Interesting point. With one exception in the last half-century, every European winner of the World Cup went close or won the previous Euros - if you extend it back from France 16/18 and Germany 12/14, to Spain in 08/10, France in 96/98, West Germany in 88/90, Italy in 80/82, Germany in 72/74.Also there are parallels with Germany & France who came close to winning the last 2 Euros with up and coming teams and then ended up the winning the next world cup.
But that suggests that had we beaten Argentina in 1986 it would be relevant to whatever happens tomorrow. It wouldn't, of course.The problem with this game is we aren't just facing the defending champions and top european seeds,there is history against us as have never beaten an elite team in a KO game away from Wembley.
True, but it can still remain a psychological barrier for the players. Up to the players to overcome.But that suggests that had we beaten Argentina in 1986 it would be relevant to whatever happens tomorrow. It wouldn't, of course.
Had we beat Argentina in 86 and Brazil in 2002 would you be saying we stood a better chance as we've at least beaten two top quality oppositions away from Wembley before?
I can't see how any of what's happened before is relevant; good, bad or indifferent
Combined 11 something like?
Pickford
Walker
Varane
Stones
Shaw
Tchouameni
Rabiot
Bellingham
Mbappe
Kane
Dembele
I'd change Pickford for Lloris and go for this as well.Lloris
Walker - Varane - Upamecano - Hernandez
Tchouameni - Bellingham
Griezmann
Dembele - Kane - Mbappe
I know it is on the right, but I would choose Foden over Dembele.Combined 11 something like?
Pickford
Walker
Varane
Stones
Shaw
Tchouameni
Griezmann
Bellingham
Mbappe
Kane
Foden
Griezmann and Theo Hernandez, along with Rabiot, have probably been the best French players apart from Mbappe.Combined 11 something like?
Pickford
Walker
Varane
Stones
Shaw
Tchouameni
Rabiot
Bellingham
Mbappe
Kane
Dembele
Juvenile posting.Such an obvious French win this. One team has Mbappe and the other has Maguire. That will be the difference.
Well I will just list World Cups and since 1966 but Euros are the same pattern. You get the idea.How many times have we played a "world champion side in a knockout game in a major tournament away from Wembley" in the last several decades?
He's not wrong though.Juvenile posting.
Yeah that 1970 defeat to West Germany is a real concern ahead of tomorrowWell I will just list World Cups and since 1966 but Euros are the same pattern. You get the idea.
2018 Croatia
2014 no knock out
2010 Germany
2006 Portugal
2002 Brazil
1998 Argentina
1994 Didn't qualify
1990 Germany
1986 Argentina
1982 no knock out
1978 Didn't qualify
1974 Didn't qualify
1970 W Germany
He's not wrong though.
He's not wrong that we have Maguire and France have Mbappe but he is wrong that it's such an obvious French win. It should be close, if both teams play to their potential. And the 'one team has Mbappe the other has Maguire' is a bit stupid. One team has Kane, the other has Lloris, clear English win - that's how it works, right?Well I will just list World Cups and since 1966 but Euros are the same pattern. You get the idea.
2018 Croatia
2014 no knock out
2010 Germany
2006 Portugal
2002 Brazil
1998 Argentina
1994 Didn't qualify
1990 Germany
1986 Argentina
1982 no knock out
1978 Didn't qualify
1974 Didn't qualify
1970 W Germany
He's not wrong though.
It's relevant because we have a storied history of deluding ourselves that we are way better than the stats say we are. The idea we were going to beat Maradonna's Argentina (for example) was laughable in retrospect, but people still believed it at the time because that's the game the English press like to play. Right up to the point he slalomed through our team like it wasn't there.Had we beat Argentina in 86 and Brazil in 2002 would you be saying we stood a better chance as we've at least beaten two top quality oppositions away from Wembley before?
I can't see how any of what's happened before is relevant; good, bad or indifferent
I was only young at the time but I don’t recall us being massive favourites to beat Argentina in 86. We’d been very poor at the start of that tournament. It certainly wasn’t laughable that England might have won though and I still think it was a tough match to call. That’s a squad with Lineker, Barnes, Waddle, Beardsley and Hoddle all in their prime and Shilton was still one of the best keepers, with a decent defence. Had Lineker put away that late headed chance it might have ended very differently.It's relevant because we have a storied history of deluding ourselves that we are way better than the stats say we are. The idea we were going to beat Maradonna's Argentina (for example) was laughable in retrospect, but people still believed it at the time because that's the game the English press like to play. Right up to the point he slalomed through our team like it wasn't there.
Even in 2018 many people were acting like we would roll over Croatia till Modric showed what world class meant. The only one of the games we deserved to win was 1990 against Germany when we were genuinely unfortunate.
This time we are actually slightly nearer the 1990 situation than the 1986 situation. There are reasons to think we might win. But Mbappe and Maguire tilt away from that and an English win would be an upset. You have to be realistic. They have the best player in the world. We have a defender with a known and glaring weakness for speed and turning who really isn't up to this game. The rest could go either way but those two things loom pretty large.
AS I remember it we were being swept by Gaza-mania in 1990 and everyone thought we were amazing. There was a lot of abuse for Robson in qualifiers when he played 4-4-2 but once he switched away from that, things got very carried away.I was only young at the time but I don’t recall us being massive favourites to beat Argentina in 86. We’d been very poor at the start of that tournament. It certainly wasn’t laughable that England might have won though and I still think it was a tough match to call. That’s a squad with Lineker, Barnes, Waddle, Beardsley and Hoddle all in their prime and Shilton was still one of the best keepers, with a decent defence. Had Lineker put away that late headed chance it might have ended very differently.
1990 was a much tougher task. England probably didn’t have as strong a team and Germany were a much stronger all-round team than Argentina 1986. England probably deserved to win the way the match played out but we were clear underdogs beforehand.
This for me as wellLloris
Walker - Varane - Upamecano - Hernandez
Tchouameni - Bellingham
Griezmann
Dembele - Kane - Mbappe
We were dreadful throughout the 1990 World Cup. The only good match we played was Germany (and we were ok against Holland). The rest was dour tumescent stuff, with Gazza and Platt being the only real plus points. Perhaps I just didn’t read the tabloids, and of course there was some optimism as we reached the SF, but I don’t recall any real feeling we were the best team in the tournament.AS I remember it we were being swept by Gaza-mania in 1990 and everyone thought we were amazing. There was a lot of abuse for Robson in qualifiers when he played 4-4-2 but once he switched away from that, things got very carried away.
In 1986 everyone was focused on Maradonna. It was not long after the Falklands and it felt like a grudge game. Plus we never perform in South America. The heat was against us. Sure there were always people who think we will win the World Cup but neutrals didn't fancy us in that game.
I agree it was a poor group stage till they switched from 4-4-2. The goal against Belgium? The come back againt Cameroon? Gazza was outstanding as I recall.We were dreadful throughout the 1990 World Cup. The only good match we played was Germany (and we were ok against Holland). The rest was dour tumescent stuff, with Gazza and Platt being the only real plus points. Perhaps I just didn’t read the tabloids, and of course there was some optimism as we reached the SF, but I don’t recall any real feeling we were the best team in the tournament.
I doubt Southgate is going to play Maguire on speedsters such as Mbappe. He will use Harry in a different defensive context and will make good use of his height especially at set pieces. Yes France is formidable but England do have enough players who can be flexible as well as a much better strikeforce and midfield than the last World Cup version.Such an obvious French win this. One team has Mbappe and the other has Maguire. That will be the difference.
I’d probably need to rewatch but i remember the Belgium match being extremely tumescent until Platt’s goal. Cameroon was a decent match but not one that shouted out “potential winners” to me. Here’s a quote from a Guardian article at the time:I agree it was a poor group stage till they switched from 4-4-2. The goal against Belgium? The come back againt Cameroon? Gazza was outstanding as I recall.
This annoys meThe problem with this game is we aren't just facing the defending champions and top european seeds,there is history against us as have never beaten an elite team in a KO game away from Wembley.
It was pretty tumescent. But good tumescent. Like George Graham Arsenal.I’d probably need to rewatch but i remember the Belgium match being extremely tumescent until Platt’s goal. Cameroon was a decent match but not one that shouted out “potential winners” to me. Here’s a quote from a Guardian article at the time: