Based Adnan
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Between him and Caicedo we could have had two top talents who are already better than our current options bar Casemiro for a pittance.
This is because £20m signings are hit and miss. We need to improve our first 11, not improve the squad, that will come later.If we could get him for anything less than 40m£ would be fantastic.
But we really need to be making more of these 20m signings for the squad, kinda like Malacia.
It’s not always through lack of trying. nowadays players seem to prefer going to a smaller club first to get guaranteed playing time before stepping upWhy are we always do these type of things too late ? Its making me so mad
Why take him from River Plate on peanuts price when you could buy him for 70m after few months...
Maybe he's a Fred Replacement ?
This is all well and good but are you going to be saying this when they are really inconsistent? The requirements for Brighton and Manutd are different. We are looking to improve our first 11, with players who can come in and improve everyone.How depressing that if we had a south america scout who actually did his job and had a pair of eyes then we could have signed:
Caicedo £5m
Alvarez £14m
Enzo Fernandez £14m
From only a limited amount of scouting it was clear these were top top talents. Honest all 3 were absolutely destroying the opposition at their former clubs. We are a joke.
Club hasn't had the bottle to sign South American gambles since Chicharito. No idea why.How depressing that if we had a south america scout who actually did his job and had a pair of eyes then we could have signed:
Caicedo £5m
Alvarez £14m
Enzo Fernandez £14m
From only a limited amount of scouting it was clear these were top top talents. Honest all 3 were absolutely destroying the opposition at their former clubs. We are a joke.
Genuinely think many of us on here could do a better job than those employed at the club.
Enzo Ferdandes would have got games here, he's playing UCL football at Benfica, Alvarez would have got games here, we don't even have a number 9.This is all well and good but are you going to be saying this when they are really inconsistent? The requirements for Brighton and Manutd are different. We are looking to improve our first 11, with players who can come in and improve everyone.
Caceido would hardly have got games here, its a different pressure at big clubs, you dont get 10 games, you get 1/2 and if you are not good enough, you dont start for a while.
They were clearly outstanding talents. We were liked to many others like sangare etc who it was clear were lacking in technical ability. Now we’re supposedly interested when they’re unattainable or would cost over £70m.This is all well and good but are you going to be saying this when they are really inconsistent? The requirements for Brighton and Manutd are different. We are looking to improve our first 11, with players who can come in and improve everyone.
Caceido would hardly have got games here, its a different pressure at big clubs, you dont get 10 games, you get 1/2 and if you are not good enough, you dont start for a while.
I mean you have said they would start, yet we have 2 who don't start. Which clearly shows why they would chose a smaller club before going to a big one.Enzo Ferdandes would have got games here, he's playing UCL football at Benfica, Alvarez would have got games here, we don't even have a number 9.
As for Caicedo, he didn't start immediately for Brighton, and we signed Pelletri and Amad for larger amounts, so I'm not sure what the excuse is here
Both were clearly no way near the standard of the 3 aforementioned talents.I mean you have said they would start, yet we have 2 who don't start. Which clearly shows why they would chose a smaller club before going to a big one.
There is no excuse, its difficult for players to get into the top teams straight away, now look at Amad and Pellestri, they can't even get a good loan.
he's an all action box-to-box midfielder. Watch his highlights from River Plate, brilliant player.What kind of player is he? It says CDM but he's obviously not going to replace Casemiro anytime soon...
I do remember having a conversation about midfielders. The names you mentioned in Jan this year were Zakaria and Kamara being no risk signings.They were clearly outstanding talents. We were liked to many others like sangare etc who it was clear were lacking in technical ability. Now we’re supposedly interested when they’re unattainable or would cost over £70m.
Endrick is another example of a player who you can guarantee will be top tier, no chance of that one either though as the likes of City and Madrid are already interested.
The quality is clear to see, same with Caicedo, Alvarez. Hence why it's so frustrating we weren't in for them. Hardly huge risks at what they would have cost.Just seen a 2 min YouTube clip.
Looks like a generational talent. Pay whatever it takes, this kid is going to the top.
They we're free transfers if I recall and considering we had pretty much only McTom and Fred at the time don't think they would have fared any worse.I do remember having a conversation about midfielders. The names you mentioned in Jan this year were Zakaria and Kamara being no risk signings.
Can you tell me how they have fared?
Alot of fans just see what midfielder is trending and we should go for them.
I thought we were in for Alvarez, until he heard about City's interest and we withdrew?How depressing that if we had a south america scout who actually did his job and had a pair of eyes then we could have signed:
Caicedo £5m
Alvarez £14m
Enzo Fernandez £14m
From only a limited amount of scouting it was clear these were top top talents. Honest all 3 were absolutely destroying the opposition at their former clubs. We are a joke.
Genuinely think many of us on here could do a better job than those employed at the club.
Nope, the below was what you said.. not free. Zakaria can barely get a game at Chelsea and they have no midfielders and Kamara cant get a game at Villa.They we're free transfers if I recall and considering we had pretty much only McTom and Fred at the time don't think they would have fared any worse.
Ah yes, they were free in the summer. I never said they were in the league of Fernandez, they were potential stop gaps. Not sure Mctominay would get a game at Chelsea or Villa either btw.Nope, the below was what you said.. not free. Zakaria can barely get a game at Chelsea and they have no midfielders and Kamara cant get a game at Villa.
"You're happy with Mctominay, Fred and Matic for the holding mid positions until the end of the season?
Kamara available for less than 15m and Zakaria for 6m.. hardly a huge risk is it?"
Nope, only Kamara was free, Zakaria went to Juve and now is on loan from Juve to Chelsea.Ah yes, they were free in the summer. I never said they were in the league of Fernandez, they were potential stop gaps. Not sure Mctominay would get a game at Chelsea or Villa either btw.
Both are good midfielders. Kamara has the highest ceiling but he is injured, so logically can't play. Zakaria is a very solid anchor that would probably start in many quality teams around Europe.I do remember having a conversation about midfielders. The names you mentioned in Jan this year were Zakaria and Kamara being no risk signings.
Can you tell me how they have fared?
Alot of fans just see what midfielder is trending and we should go for them.
Lets see how high his ceiling is then when he is back from injury.Both are good midfielders. Kamara has the highest ceiling but he is injured, so logically can't play. Zakaria is a very solid anchor that would probably start in many quality teams around Europe.
the evidence was available from watching them. Fernandez, caicedo, Alvarez were tearing it up in professional mens football. Two of them for River Plate no less, likes of Hannibal, Diallo, pellistri had barely played a senior game. Not the same.Nope, only Kamara was free, Zakaria went to Juve and now is on loan from Juve to Chelsea.
Well, you dont know if McTominay would start or not, the point I am making is being better than McTominay or same level is not what we need.
You never know how a player develops at different clubs. Caicedo is now a regular, almost 18 months later btw.
Look at the players we have signed under 18, none of them have ever made it.
Jones, Powell, Hannibal, Diallo, Pellestri.
So there is no evidence to suggest that if we signed any of them, they would have developed here.
They improve by going to the clubs they go to. We barley give VDB minutes what would be the point of signing players who we aren’t going to risk.How depressing that if we had a south america scout who actually did his job and had a pair of eyes then we could have signed:
Caicedo £5m
Alvarez £14m
Enzo Fernandez £14m
From only a limited amount of scouting it was clear these were top top talents. Honest all 3 were absolutely destroying the opposition at their former clubs. We are a joke.
Genuinely think many of us on here could do a better job than those employed at the club.
Zakaria is shite end of. He couldn’t succeed at Juve and isn’t succeeding at Chelsea.Ah yes, they were free in the summer. I never said they were in the league of Fernandez, they were potential stop gaps. Not sure Mctominay would get a game at Chelsea or Villa either btw.