Eredivisie 2022/23

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These threads are starting to pop up, so I'd better be quick before I lose my thread starter status! (And what great use did I make of it last season!)

So, what's happening in the Netherlands? Obviously, Ajax took last year's title, meaning they've qualified directly for the Champions League group stage. Having come second (while they also won the cup), PSV enters it in the third qualifying round. Feyenoord will be in the EL group stage, while Twente and AZ (as European play-offs winners) are entering the qualifying rounds of the Conference League, and will be looking to play a gazillion matches only to be outfoxed by an Italian or Spanish club in the finals. At the bottom, PEC Zwolle, Willem II, and Heracles (as relegation play-offs losers) got relegated to the Eerste Divisie, to be replaced this year by Emmen, Volendam, and Excelsior.

PosTeamPldWDLGFGAGDPtsQualification or relegation
1Ajax (C)3426539819+7983Qualification to Champions League group stage
2PSV Eindhoven3426358642+4481Qualification to Champions League third qualifying round
3Feyenoord3422577634+4271Qualification to Europa League group stage[a]
4Twente3420865537+1868Qualification to Europa Conference League third qualifying round
5AZ (O)3418796444+2061Qualification to European competition play-offs
6Vitesse34156134251−951Qualification to European competition play-offs
7Utrecht341211115146+547Qualification to European competition play-offs
8SC Heerenveen34118153750−1341Qualification to European competition play-offs
9Cambuur34116175370−1739
10RKC Waalwijk34911144051−1138
11NEC34108163852−1438
12Groningen3499164155−1436
13Go Ahead Eagles34106183751−1436
14Sparta Rotterdam34811153048−1835
15Fortuna Sittard34105193667−3135
16Heracles Almelo (R)3497183349−1634Qualification to Relegation play-offs
17Willem II (R)3496193257−2533Relegation to Eerste Divisie
18PEC Zwolle (R)3476212652−2627Relegation to Eerste Divisie

In terms of predictions, everything is up in the air for this year. Ajax obviously lost Ten Hag, and may also be losing all of Mazraoui and Gravenberch (Bayern), Onana (Inter), Haller (Dortmund), Timber, Anthony, Martinez (all to United? why not!), Brobbey, and Ihattaren (end of loan; might be bought or renewed?). The only big name coming in that I've heard about is Bergwijn from Spurs. Some of that remains to be confirmed, Onana wasn't playing anymore anyway, and Ajax always have a great academy and scouting network; but still, that's a lot of quality gone, plus a relative unknown in their new coach, Alfred Schreuder. So let's see how that will play out.

Similarly, PSV lost their coach Roger Schmidt and replaced him with Ruud van Nistelrooij in his first top-flight job. They have also lost Mario Götze (Frankfurt), Bruma (Besiktas), and may be without Zahavi, Sangaré, and Gakpo by the end of the transfer window. In turn, they are signing Walter Benítez from Nice in hopes of geting their first reliable goalkeeper since... Waterreus?, and are looking to bring Luuk de Jong back. Not as wild as Ajax maybe, but all remains to be seen here as well.

Feyenoord then? At least they got continuity at the top with Slot starting his second season, which I think is their greatest asset. I don't know too much about most of their confirmed and rumoured transfers, but certainly Cyriel Dessers returning to Genk will be a big loss for them. And as always, Feyenoord are severely strapped for cash, so they can't sign big names and will probably again have a relatively thin squad. For them to win the league, there would have to be a significant drop in performance from both PSV and Ajax, I think.

If PSV and Ajax do drop off and Feyenoord can't capitalize on it, then we can start looking at the subtop. I expect Twente's season to have been a flash in the pan, so I would rather be looking at AZ and Vitesse for any challenge to the top 3. Vitesse is the Dutch Neverkusen though (and of lesser status; even if they did win the cup in 2017), and even though I rate AZ's coach Pascal Jansen irrationally high, they'd have to make a pretty big step up. On the other hand, part of their issue last year was longer periods where they were losing a lot of points, so if they can reduce that (and again, if the top 3 aren't very consistent), maybe they can be competitive.

That's potentially pretty exciting, and so is the bottom of the league, for those interested. Or maybe it's rather very unexciting, cause it seems to me that there's so much poor quality in the league that literally half its clubs will go into the season worrying that they might be part of the relegation battle. I would expect this to apply for all of Cambuur, Emmen, Excelsior, Fortuna Sittard, Go Ahead Eagles, NEC, RKC, Sparta, and Volendam. (Yep, that makes 9!) If I'd have to bet, I'd put Volendam, Excelsior, and RKC in the bottom spots, but who knows really.

So, what do we think!
 
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How does Eredivisie plan to survive without the star power of Mario Götze?
 

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Ajax might lose Martinez, Timber is definitely staying. Martinez could be replaced by Blind adequately. Wijndal would then likely replace Blind.

Onana, and Haller arent huge losses especially if Brobbey and Bergwijn are signed.

Antony is likely to stay though, can't see anyone paying about 80 million euro's for him. Ajax is not selling him for 40 million pounds, forget about that.

Gravenberch and Mazraoui are huge misses but Taylor/Kudus can well replace the first, Rensch doesnt look up for it to replace Mazraoui. I'd give more chance to Regeer who's very similar in style and qualities.

I think Ajax will be fine.
 

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How does Eredivisie plan to survive without the star power of Mario Götze?
It's funny, it was such big news when he joined, it was considered a real coup for PSV. And then that fizzled out, and now he's leaving and I don't think it's a considered very important anymore.

Not that he's been a disappointment, but just not a real Eredivisie superstar.
Ajax might lose Martinez, Timber is definitely staying. Martinez could be replaced by Blind adequately. Wijndal would then likely replace Blind.

Onana, and Haller arent huge losses especially if Brobbey and Bergwijn are signed.

Antony is likely to stay though, can't see anyone paying about 80 million euro's for him. Ajax is not selling him for 40 million pounds, forget about that.

Gravenberch and Mazraoui are huge misses but Taylor/Kudus can well replace the first, Rensch doesnt look up for it to replace Mazraoui. I'd give more chance to Regeer who's very similar in style and qualities.

I think Ajax will be fine.
I can see that, but it's a pretty optimistic scenario; it basically assumes the departures aren't as massive and every replacement easily lives up to their potential. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I think there's a bit more risk than that.
 

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It's funny, it was such big news when he joined, it was considered a real coup for PSV. And then that fizzled out, and now he's leaving and I don't think it's a considered very important anymore.

Not that he's been a disappointment, but just not a real Eredivisie superstar.

I can see that, but it's a pretty optimistic scenario; it basically assumes the departures aren't as massive and every replacement easily lives up to their potential. I'm not saying that's impossible, but I think there's a bit more risk than that.
I am not saying Ajax will be equally as good in all positions, but that the squad is rather good enough to compete in Europe and win the league.
 

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Ajax seems to have replaced ten hag well. I would bet on them defending their title successfully. It will be interesting to see what psv will make of their campaign with Ruud at the helm.
 

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Cambuur in a relegation battle? We're going to win the league man! :)
:)

I have to say I was really surprised with Cambuur, Go Ahead, and NEC this year. I just don't see it long-term - I expect them to do an Emmen and be much further down the table next season. How are they doing over the summer?
 

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Tannane to NEC. Wonder how many matches with flashes of brilliance before the inevitable trouble starts
 

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How does Eredivisie plan to survive without the star power of Mario Götze?
He's going down more like one of the biggest disappointments the Eredivisie has ever seen. But that's also down to PSV's announcement when they signed him as 'the world champion coming to The Netherrlands'. Not saying he was absolute garbage, which he wasn't. But he was underwhelming for the status that he brought with him. For a player with his resume he should have carried PSV, but besides 2 or 3 matches in which he showed his class he was pretty much invisible for the remainder of the time. Players like Gakpo and Madueke had a far bigger influence on the team and last season Sangare as well. PSV won't miss him.

As for the Eredivisie next year, it will be the chance for mainly PSV and Feyenoord to break Ajax' stranglehold. Ajax still has the highest budget, but with a new coach coming in and a lot of player changes, this is where the opportunity for the other teams are. PSV has the advantage that they will keep most of their team and Feyenoord will at least keep their coach (which is their best asset).

In Holland they are fast to say that Ajax is dominating like Bayern is in Germany but that's a total non-comparison because Ajax's financial dominance over the competitors is not nearly the same. Ajax may have the biggest budget, but they are not able to buy the best players from their biggest rival (like Bayern). Moreover, in NL only the champion qualifies for Champions League. If Ajax miss out one time, Ajax may be forced to take a step down on wages and go for a longer term rebuild where that will open the possibility for the team that does qualify to intensify spending. The tables can quickly even out then (I won't say 'turn' because Ajax will be able to keep up for at least a few years even without CL).

Anyhow, I think next year will be very interesting. PSV also has a new coach, but looks likely to keep their team together. Although there is interest for Sangare and Gakpo, I think PSV might be able to hold them for another year. Also for WC purposes (they are guaranteed starters, whereas you never know that after a transfer). If PSV qualify for CL through the qualifying they might be able to get some decent strengthening in the squad. Feyenoord has less financial possibilities, but they have the best coach. If they can get a better team than they had last year, they might really have a chance as I expect Ajax to have a less smooth season. I don't think with the rebuild Ajax will win the league with 85-90 points. I think it's more likely that Ajax will struggle more and end up around 80 points, which leaves possibilities for the others to do better.
 

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Guess @Daslogisch has me on ignore - basically repeating the entire OP and my Götze post. :) At least he/she agrees with me on most points - but well, da's logisch. badum-tish
 

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I have to say I was really surprised with Cambuur, Go Ahead, and NEC this year. I just don't see it long-term - I expect them to do an Emmen and be much further down the table next season. How are they doing over the summer?
Yeah they play entertaining football at least. I must admit I'm not a real fan but I do wish them the best. I grew up in and around Leeuwarden and I've been to games several times but I've also been to Heerenveen a few times due to my grandpa being a fan of theirs and one of my best friends when I was a kid being a season ticket holder. Not recently though. I'm not "anti Fries". I actually like that they sing the Frisian anthem (even though I don't speak Fries, only understand it). But I did not like the ambiance in the Heerenveen stadium much. Too dull. That's better at Cambuur. So I wish them both the best. If I had to choose it would probably be Cambuur though.

Transfer wise I think they've got a promising attacker on loan from Utrecht in Remco Balk and they're also looking at Boussaid. I heard they're looking at Thomas van den Belt from PEC as well. Apart from that I don't know. I believe they're still working on financing the new stadium as well. I know they did find an investor willing to invest a few million so that's looking good but I don't know if it's done or if they still need more.
 

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I was joking about Götze, because wherever he goes there's a huge media hype initially and then, over time, more and more people admit/realize that he's just not a flashy or dominating player anymore. Even now there seems to be similar stuff happening at Frankfurt.