And it will be hard to be that high if we get Alderweird(?) and put him with Lindelof.
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We really are cursed recently. Our new signings are either shit or always injured 
Shame for him missing the CAN. Hopefully he comes back from this stronger.
Yeah, thing about positioning looked like a bullshit eithout any proof.Average positions vs Chelsea
Lindelof deepest with Bailly quite far up.
Average positions of our last good result, against West Ham.
Jones deepest with Smalling quite far up.
So theres only a small distance between us having majority possession against Chelsea, and us having less possession than West Ham with Jones and Smalling playing. Theres a much bigger change in all the other players being far more spread and further forward.
Our recent games we've played 3 at the back and yes our defense have been further back in those games. Also Everton where we conceded 4, obviously our CBs were dropping deep trying to cope.
But in general its a small difference to when we were playing well under Ole before
Here's the previous win 2-0 over Chelsea in the F.A cup
Lindelof deepest with Smalling not as far up as Bailly yesterday, but Ander dropping into that space as a DM.
Here's our 1-0 victory over Arsenal in the F.A cup
We won, Bailly and Lindelof played and they were actually deeper than most of our CB pairings over the course of the season.
1-0 over Spurs in the league
Smalling and Jones this time are even deeper than Lindelof in the last example and about level with Bailly. Ander is only a bit further forward than Bailly was against Chelsea yesterday.
So if you look at it properly, all of our players were further forward specifically yesterday. Matic took on more responsibility with Ander playing further forward than the halfway line when usually he's been sitting near him. Our attackers are more spread out and further forward too.
It wasnt the personnel, it was the tactics. In general our players were deployed further up the pitch and we tried to have most of the ball unlike most weeks where we let the other team have most of the ball and we counterattack when they are out of position.
Does anybody still hold out hope for bailly? There was a time as recently as September when lindelof was being held in as low regard and now most of us think we should be looking for a partner for him.
I think bailly had a fantastic first season here. Last season was an absolute disaster. His injuries have been unlucky at times, things like ligaments rather than repeated strains and we all saw a guy operating last year with zero confidence,
But there are positives. He’s physically imposing which is what lindelof needs, he’s very fast, he’s not bad on the ball. I’m not saying we should rely on him but if the alternative is a 80m Maguire, would we better off trusting Smalling while allowing bailly the chance to salvage his career here like lindelof and shaw? After his first season I thought we were sorted for years with him
I think bailly had a fantastic first season here. Last season was an absolute disaster. His injuries have been unlucky at times, things like ligaments rather than repeated strains and we all saw a guy operating last year with zero confidence,
But there are positives. He’s physically imposing which is what lindelof needs, he’s very fast, he’s not bad on the ball. I’m not saying we should rely on him but if the alternative is a 80m Maguire, would we better off trusting Smalling while allowing bailly the chance to salvage his career here like lindelof and shaw? After his first season I thought we were sorted for years with him
No matter how talented you are as a defender, the most important attribute is concentration levels and with the exception of fatigue I believe that’s something you either have or you don’t. Even in Bailly’s best performances he’s had moments where he’s switched off.
Hate to use him as an example but Van Dijk doesn’t switch off for a second. I don’t think Bailly has that alertness instilled him to not only smell danger but be ready for it for a full game.
I’m not saying sell him but he’s nowhere near the levels of a title competing CB starter. Just my opinion.
No, he's bad.
No use having a Messi in your team when he is only fit to play 10 games a season, same applies to Bailly.
He's been so poor and anonymous in the last year that I don't think many would notice or care a lot if he left. I wouldn't mind giving him another shot this season, but even if we do keep him we should be buying another centreback anyway. Arguably none of our current lot are good enough to be starting for United.
No, he's brainless unfortunately.
Good post, but I would say with his glaring weaknesses he needs to go. We could perhaps have persisted with such a player if surrounded by great players, but none of our CBs are fantastic. Lindelof is the best of a very average bunch, and we need to put some faith in him. Bailly, Rojo and Jones need to go as quickly as possible.
Knowing there are competent football people at United gives me confidence that Bailly will get a chance next season. Don't think I would trade Bailly for Maguire given a chance, sounds like madness to me. The fact that Leicester ended behind us on the table last season seem to be lost on some people. If we can work out his fitness issue, I reckon we got one of the best CBs in the league in Bailly.
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He's shit. You can't point to how fast he is all you want. That doesn't make a professional footballer. He's severely lacking in every single aspect of being a good defender.
He has all the physical attributes to be a very good defender, the only questionable thing is his strange heading technique. Mentally though, he is unfit to be playing football at the highest level and I am pessimistic about that aspect of his game improving.
Hopefully he can get back to the form he showed in his first season.
I think Bailly's first season was considered good in the context of a young player who would hopefully improve a lot. Not because it was actually all that good. There were plenty of obvious flaws. Sadly instead of improving he's got even worse.
Spot on, and that was three years ago now.
Hope he gets sold tbf. Hopefully to Arsenal
I don't have any no, even setting aside his giving Phil Jones a run for the most injured player of the year award and his patchy form. He is still very erratic, he does batshit crazy stuff nearly every game.
We really need to stop giving players over 24 4-6 years at the club in the hope they can develop into something. We need to be more ruthless. Back in the day the likes of Poborsky, Kleberson etc were shipped out within 2 years of under performing. If they'd been here in the last decade they would probably be on course for a testimonial like Phil Jones.
Having said that I think due to the amount of players we need to bring in this summer he will survive the cull, but in an ideal world he, Rojo and Darmian should be out the door. None are good or reliable enough.
We didn't finish higher than Leicester because of Bailly though.
Yeah he showed some promise that first season but i was never convinced by him. Sadly it is looking like he won't develop into a top class defender or even a good one.
Sunk cost fallacy springs to mind. He’s unable to stay fit and hasn’t developed in the last couple of years. In an ideal world we’d get rid of him, Rojo and Jones and at least give someone else the chance to fail, given we already know that those three players ultimately will.
His best run for us was a few months of good form in his first season. Ever since then it's been downhill at an alarming rate. Our worst CB at the club. Ideally we'd sell him off to Arsenal.
He was good at the start of Jose second season, when we were winning nearly every game 4-0.
Of 8 games Bailly started in the league last season, our record was 4W 2D 2L, thats 1.75 points per game, and comes to 66 points a season, the same amount of points we ended the season with. Yeah that is not good enough, but it still better than Leicester who ended the season with 52 points.
After Solskjaer came in, Bailly started 3 games, 2W 1D. If you subscribe to the idea that everyone gets a reset button when we change manager, Bailly played well, if you overlook the fact that he been injured the hole time.
Exactly we didn't finish above Leicester because of Bailly, even if Bailly had played every game (fat chance) it still wouldn't have been because of Bailly. United have much better players in almost every position compared to Leicester thats why we finished ahead of them.
You can't single out 2 players and give them 100% of the credit for their respective teams league finish. It doesn't work like that it's a team game.
I don't, he's not good enough and is always injured. We need to replace him with someone who is better or at the very least able to stay fit for the entire season, that shouldn't be too hard in either case. We have too many mediocre sick notes in defence, at least 2 of Jones, Darmian, Rojo and Bailly need to be shipped out. The time of stock piling average players who can't stay fit needs to end if we ever want to get back to the top.
Brainless and rash, I'd love to see the back of all the centre backs at United but he's one of the worst for me.
That’s right. His concentration level is very low which is why I don’t think he’ll be good enough. He has the skills to be top centre back, but he can’t deliver in 90 minutes in consistent basis due to poor concentration. If he can fix it which is very hard to do since it’s part of the player’s nature then he will be a top defender.
And also needs to stop being rash too often launching sliding tackle. It’s main reason he keeps getting injured.
He isn't even better than Smalling but there is a large portion of our fanbase who are deluded and still defend Bailly.
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There's still something about Bailly, would love to see him alongside Maguire.
What is about him? Genuinely what is about him other than he can kind of run fast?
He has useful qualities but I just don’t trust him not to go and do something really daft.
He’s not our worst CB though. That honour goes to that idiot Marcos Rojo.
He’s not our worst CB though. That honour goes to that idiot Marcos Rojo.
I don't agree with it but I suppose last-ditch defending is more easy on the eye for some. Bailly is the master of getting into last ditch situations.
I've said it on here a while he will never be a good CB. He doesnt hold a line, poor in the air, gets dragged out of position and always throws himself about like a shithouse on fire. And if that isnt enough he is never fit to play. Hope he goes to Arsenal.
Curious about this too. Would love to know what these people are seeing
Wasn't he linked to Arsenal?
So hes basically a rubbish defender
Well yeah.
He's the first defender I've seen here that genuinely looks confused a lot of the time. Like this is completely new to him and he's not sure what to do or where to go. It's quite staggering that some people still somehow think he's a good defender.
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