Gonna buy some Aspirin to subsidize his severance package right now...
We only had to pay €5m according to Sport Bild, a real bargain!
Erik ten Hag | 100k a day, who is the real loser, heh ?
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We only had to pay €5m according to Sport Bild, a real bargain!
It was insanity. We spent £1.275 billion in total post Fergie and half of those are for Ten Hag. And we paid £14.5m to sack him.
14,5m GBP as a pay-off for being shite at your job. Gosh. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't performance metrics built into these contracts whereby finishing bottom half (or 8th! for a club of our size) in itself, should be a sackable offence for gross incompetence - without a payout.
Similar to Woodward, who made multi-millions out of the club even though he was grossly incompetent from a footballing perspective.
It seems Leverkusen just added 5m to that.
Some of the stuff and the newspaper pieces feel weirdly personal and harsh rather than just standard critique. He really annoyed people, eh?
Yeah, but a lot of reports are saying he fell out with players and other members of the staff too. No doubt that this is a bad look for Bayer Leverkusen's top brass, but ETH seems to have handled his relationships poorly across the board.
A lot of the comments in the press and on here under ETH, especially season 2, was that we looked very under coached. The massive gaps in midfield, the lack of control, surrendering loads of shots etc. the fan boys claimed this was nonsense, he needed more time, more coaching, more players etc etc. maybe the very simple reality was he wasn't a very good coach and certainly could not adapt. Success with a big club in a small league. Elsewhere, no. He should have gone after the cup final, my view then and my view now.
His severance money can buy Lammens (last season).It seems Leverkusen just added 5m to that.
You really need to go back to the initial post that you took umbridge with.
What I was saying is that Ten Hag's statement yesterday was totally reasonable. You're arguing a completely different point.
They could barely lay it on any thicker if they tried. It's about a step away from saying they found out he was also a nonce.
The opening line about falling quickly out with the inner circle is all you need to know about what happened.
I don’t know if it was so reasonable. I think it’s nothing more than an attempt to save face. And he can whine about only being given two games as much as he wants. It’s very clear this wasn’t the issue. So I take that as an attempt to move public opinion towards his side. Basically: look how mean they are, I’ve only been given two games.
His statement was a load of crap that if anything highlighted his personality flaws and lack of introspection.
His firing came as a complete surprise? Everybody and their dog reported that it was imminent, and that there was no dementi by the club was telling. I also very much doubt that nothing internally showed that he was already down for the count out. Especially since articles claim that he had already been excluded from the inner circle after his misbehaviour and inadequacy.
The complete rework of the team? Certainly true, but here he is just deflecting from why he was let go, pretending that it was because this completely redone team didn't come out of the gate swinging already. In reality, the reasons were in how he managed to fall out with both the squad and his bosses in record time and in a way that made the situation look unfixable with him at the helm. None of it was about the (few) games he's had so far or the squad not having gelled perfectly already.
He then goes on about trust, and not having had been given the trust he thinks he deserves? Coming from the guy who publicly dissented with the club leadership, constantly making demands (again, publicly) which players to buy and which to (not) sell, that's a really rich thing to go on. Demanding blind trust is also questionable in and off itself. When what you're doing looks like complete bollocks to everyone in the club, from management to players, physios to medical personnel, even your own assistants, then maybe you should start questioning yourself instead of just demanding blind faith. And maybe see that trust should be earned with the work you are doing and how you are doing it, rather than blindly afforded.
The final nail in the coffin is then his statement about having brought success and silverware everywhere he went throughout his career. What an incredibly self-indulgent statement to make when he was fired from his last job for his lack of success, the only "silverware" being brought in there being second-rate cups while the actually important campaigns in Europe and the EPL were far below expectations.
It's an incredibly unthinking, self-absorbed statement that if anything underscores why Leverkusen made the right choice to show him the door this quickly.
And mind you, I don't even like Leverkusen, and I certainly don't diminish their own fault in hiring him. But praising his hogwash of a statement as reasonable is a joke.
100% this. Trying to spin this „I only had two games” is just so infantile
Not when you come from United where blind trust is a given
I don't care enough about Ten Hag to argue this. While I agree that they probably shouldn't have hired him, he is spot on to feel aggrieved that they sacked him so soon once they did.
I wonder what happened to him. This is the same bloke who ran 13k with the team after they got out ran by Brighton. You can't say he never had any leadership qualities, but he seems to have lost whatever he did have by the sounds of it.
Nah it was a sensible statement.
It wasn't. Because it addressed none of the issues that were mentioned. He tried to make it look as if he was fired for results, but that's just not the case.
Employees calling him the worst coach of the past 20 years is something. Leverkusen had some real duds over that period...
Anything to back that up and contradict what I just said about why it wasn't, or are you just wumming now?
Says much about us keeping him for 2 years plus and giving him half a billion
Well done to Leverkusen, sacking him was the right choice. 3 games in or 3000 does not matter. It looks bad on them, but giving him a season would have been worse for the team and club, so a bold move really to do it now even if there will be some small backlash, and the right one.
You dont have to wait until everyone realises ETH is a bad coach and lacks communication and leadership skills. If they realised it internally and acted quickly, it is enough. Well done and they have to hope to hire a competent manager now.
You dont have to wait until everyone realises ETH is a bad coach and lacks communication and leadership skills. If they realised it internally and acted quickly, it is enough. Well done and they have to hope to hire a competent manager now.
You wrote about 8 paragraphs where you just seemed really angry at Ten Hag. I've already explained why I think it was a sensible statement and I'm totally happy for you to have a different opinion.
This thread is an interesting (But unsurprising) insight into United fans views on a manager vs the views of fans of other clubs.
Based on what the German posters here are saying, there were loads of issues behind the scenes, that basically amounted to them not thinking that ETH was going to end up being up to the task. It doesn't matter if he had okay results in the first couple games, if the board do not get the impression that ETH is going to take them where they want to go, even if they may have felt like that was the case when they hired him, then they are quite right to get rid of him before wasting more time.
On the other hand you have United fans falling over themselves to say he's been hard done by, that the board are the ones really at fault here, because as per usual the manager is sacred. If you don't think things are going to work out you should get rid. Yeah, they probably shouldn't have hired him in that case, but that is already gone, and the important thing is that the error is rectified.
Based on what the German posters here are saying, there were loads of issues behind the scenes, that basically amounted to them not thinking that ETH was going to end up being up to the task. It doesn't matter if he had okay results in the first couple games, if the board do not get the impression that ETH is going to take them where they want to go, even if they may have felt like that was the case when they hired him, then they are quite right to get rid of him before wasting more time.
On the other hand you have United fans falling over themselves to say he's been hard done by, that the board are the ones really at fault here, because as per usual the manager is sacred. If you don't think things are going to work out you should get rid. Yeah, they probably shouldn't have hired him in that case, but that is already gone, and the important thing is that the error is rectified.
It's not the time to go point by point and address a bunch of potential leaks. He also didn't mention results, he said there was a lack of trust, said a coach needs time to implement their vision and that there had been loads of changes at a club.
All of which is true. Leverkusen can respond that they think he was a terrible manager. I think he probably is pretty average at best but his response would be that he's been pretty bloody successful to date so he disagrees. Which again would be a reasonable stance for him to take.
That sounds like a load of rubbish honestly we don’t know the details of his appointment. If he’s kicking up a fuss that half his squad was sold and that wasn’t made clear to him when he got the job obviously he’s fuming
Sounds to me the board was told some harsh truths and didn’t like it. It’s easy to laugh at the guy after his time here but nobody should be sacked after 2 games especially in a summer where the club have virtually given up being competitive.
There's no point in giving him time when your assessment of his work leads to the conviction that it can't get better. A cohesive team is the result of good coaching. You don't get there magically with time, you progress continually and without progression, there's no reason to wait. Of course, if you aren't capable of judging what progression is and what not, then you have to judge based on results. But when you know what you want to see and the coach fails to deliver that, where's the point in waiting any longer? You're just making matters worse by refusing to admit you made a mistake appointing him.
That is just your own personal impression, and a wrong one to boot. It's four paragraphs answering his post and explaining why it is nonsense for one, and I have no strong feelings about EtH one way or the other for the second part. I am certainly not angry at the man, why would I even be?
You have certainly not laid down why the statement is sensible, you've just parroted the same nonsense about not being given enough time to be successful which is entirely besides the point of why he was let go, and you seem to be unable to grasp that no matter how often several users explain your fallacy to you.
If he didn't know this could happen, he wasn't paying attention. By the time he signed, Tah had ruled out another season at Bayer and the exits of Frimpong and Wirtz were more or less certain. The irony it is looking increasingly likely that ten Hag is the reason Xhaka left as well. Which leaves Hincapie who had a release clause so that was clear as well.
And no, that doesn't sound like rubbis but is backed up by facts. At this stage, it is clear that pretty much everybody in the club was convinced he's not up to the job.
In general, I get the logic behind giving a manager time. As a fan, the information on which you can access a manager is very limited. You see the results on the pitch but 99% of his work happens behind closed doors. Talks with players, managers, match preparaten, training, etc. So the only thing you can do is deduce. But when you run the club, you have access to much more information. Feedback from players and staff, observations of the traing, direct talks with the coach, etc. If you see that something is severely off, then you don't need to wait for the results to deduce, instead you can predict. Of course managers need time but time doesn't automatically make things better. The basis for giving a manager time is that you see progression. But if you don't see that, there's no point in giving him time.
Still unfathomable how the powers that be caved to fan sentiment after the FAC win over City. Should have fired his ass the week after and moved on. Wouldn't be in this Amorim mess today, perhaps - they may have hired him that summer anyhow or hired -gulp- Southgate.
Oh no, here I was fully convinced that he will prove the doubters wrong, and show that United were wrong on firing him. Cause you know, if we do not want to win with him, he will go somewhere else and win trophies, it is what he does.
It is refreshing seeing Leverkusen's no-nonsense approach, and rectifying their idiotic mistake that fast. EtH is a quite shit coach that has no business in top clubs. He alienated everyone at United, tried to play without a midfield, spent half a billion in utter dross and effectively did pretty much everything wrong. No surprise he continued the same at Leverkusen, but they gave him 3 months instead of 3 years so the damage was much more limited.
It is refreshing seeing Leverkusen's no-nonsense approach, and rectifying their idiotic mistake that fast. EtH is a quite shit coach that has no business in top clubs. He alienated everyone at United, tried to play without a midfield, spent half a billion in utter dross and effectively did pretty much everything wrong. No surprise he continued the same at Leverkusen, but they gave him 3 months instead of 3 years so the damage was much more limited.
If my point was that you were wrong to sack the man then maybe any of that would be relevant.
My point was that his statement was totally reasonable and it completely makes sense why his perspective is that he's been treated harshly.
To be honest mate I just don't care enough to have a back and forth with someone who wants to write loads of really passionate paragraphs about it.
I'm also totally fine with people having a different opinion to me as I said.
I still don't know where your delusion of "passionate" paragraphs comes from. It's all in your head. No such thing has happened.
If you only want to put statements out into the world and not having them challenged and their reasoning questioned, and somebody who can actually argue their point is too tiresome for you to engage with, maybe a forum isn't for you, and a blog without a comment section would be more to your liking.
You just come across as really snarky and I am not sure why you think I would have any interest in engaging in a discussion with you.
Happily discussed it with plenty of folks in here. Just accept that I've politely told you I disagree with you and that's okay.
As funny as this is, I won't be surprised if this turns out to be true hahaha.He was probably trying to buy the remains of his previous players and they told him to feck off unlike us.
That's debatable to say the least. I say the reasonable thing to do as the manager holding the record for the earliest sacking in history would be to reflect if I did something wrong that caused this situation. Instead, he pretends that firing a manager this early is a no no under any circumstances.
It really is. The whole thread. During the summer we had to mention three times per page that he isn't the one selling and signing players and it was just ignored or not understood by many.
Now around his sacking we have these discussions that directly follow that up. The same misunderstandings about his role lead to opinions that are contrary to how most people see it who are following German football more closely.
The funniest thing is that EtH acted just like them, so you can't even fault the false ideas people had. EtH himself behaved as if that was true and that got him sacked.
You need a dodgy manager whose biggest influence is his best mate the greedy agent coupled with a board that went straight to the hawksmoor for a $200 steak and a few bottles of Tig when they signed him and stayed there until the alarm bells ring. Not only bought rubbish but also sold all the promising players they could get a fee for.