FujiVice
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I imagine he is. He's a proud man, and very confident in his own self worth. That FA Cup final post match seemed like he was on a "feck you" tour, after all the shit he had gotten.
I imagine he is. He's a proud man, and very confident in his own self worth. That FA Cup final post match seemed like he was on a "feck you" tour, after all the shit he had gotten.
Hans Kraay jr. (pundit and ex teammate of Ten Hag) said that he was devastated and down in the dumps (or something like that, when translated from Dutch).
This express headline looks sort of copied from that. Hans Kraay knows him well, so I'm sure it's true.
True, but this seems like a very weird thing to embellish.Hans Kraay is a bit of a clown who does like to embellish his stories though
That is what you call jumping into the ocean to escape the rain.The next West Ham manager
United is known for damaging players. Might as well add coaches to the list.Especially outside England, I doubt his stock will be damaged that much, or even at all, following his Man Utd stint, so I don't think he'll be out of work for too long.
Don't get how any of this would be surprising/shocking for him. Surely, he knew it was coming. I mean, he wasn't really believing all that nonsense he'd been saying, right?! Right?
Well, if it truly came as a shock to him, that can only mean he was misled by his employers.
If that actually is the case, I'm not sure how I should feel about it - to be honest.
On the one hand, I appreciate that they - finally - sacked him.
On the other hand, I don't appreciate the (possible) lack of communication between the owners/upper management and ETH. Which would (possibly) look very similar to what we saw under Woodward: an SMS pretty much out of the blue to announce you're fired.
I would like to think that ETH kept his job after last season on certain, specific conditions (e.g. if you have the team lingering in the bottom half of the table after ten rounds, yer fecked - that sort of thing).
But if that is the case, what's happened now shouldn't be a shock to him.
Absolutely spot on.This shouldn’t be a shock to him regardless. If he’s in touch with this planet he would have known performance wasn’t anywhere good enough and his position was threatened/untenable with those results.
And I mean, part of managing will, sometimes, involve “deceiving” the people you’re managing. Even if he was told his position was threatened, he should have know better and been able to evaluate what has been happening - like, what?
Surely he couldn’t have been that naive?! I mean that would just highlight why he was so completely out of his depth
If he gets hired by a decent team, it'd be a great litmus test for how much of the blame lies with factors outside the manager's control (squad building, player power etc)
Cue the 'eritage rant though. Ole, Jose, Moyes, LvG haven't amounted to much after getting sacked.
It was reported Spurs interviewed him previously and decided against offering him the job, due to ten Hag not having much personality.Tottenham or West Ham nailed on, no?
If he gets hired by a decent team, it'd be a great litmus test for how much of the blame lies with factors outside the manager's control (squad building, player power etc)
Cue the 'eritage rant though. Ole, Jose, Moyes, LvG haven't amounted to much after getting sacked.
The fact he could not, or would not, recognize the value of playing Casemiro in a more offensive 8 ish role, along side a proper 6, is unbelievable, or just stupidly stubborn. They've play together twice in that formation and we've scored 11 goals. Even a plank like myself could easily see this.He's too stubborn, is surprisingly tactially naive (I thought this was suppossed to be a strength of his), and can't manage the match day bench. Had he been more flexible and recognized things were not working, he would have had more time. But to continually bring up the cup wins just shows a stunning lack of self-awareness and what the standards are at United (or at least what they should be). I thought his man management was good, he handled the Ronaldo situation pretty flawlessly imo. I'm sure he'll be back coaching soon.
Not that it should be his job, but his talent evaluation is also terrible and having inputs on transfers was a detriment to him as the club got him many of the targets he wanted and they have been awful.
but they reasoned there comes a point when the manager is responsible through a deficiency of motivation or communication
As @KirkDuyt said, Hans Kraaij Jr apparently knows Ten Hag well, so he might actually have some real information. But all the same, until Ten Hag himself has commented, I wouldn't take anything others say for granted. So for something like this:However, Kraay Jr, a former Dutch footballer turned coach and TV presenter*, has claimed he is in no celebratory mood the 64-year-old has revealed that INEOS' dramatic U-turn** months after deciding to back Ten Hag with a new deal***, refreshed coaching staff****, and £200m in the transfer market has left him distraught.
* A nobody who has probably never even spoken to ETH
** Were rejected by their first and second choices in the summer, no u-turn
*** No new deal
**** Replaced staff ETH wanted to keep, including McCarthy and Van der Gaag
Classic tabloid trash article
And maybe he wasn't. Another tweet I saw yesterday said that Ten Hag had expected to be fired after the FA Cup final - in which case it doesn't make sense that he's surprised or shocked now.Don't get how any of this would be surprising/shocking for him. Surely, he knew it was coming. I mean, he wasn't really believing all that nonsense he'd been saying, right?! Right?
It'll still be interesting to see him in a situation where most other external causes are minimized - the squad's been built correctly, there aren't big egos that won't listen to him etc. and evaluate him purely for his tactical ability.
I do not think he will get a Job at any major club, he proved during his time at the club, that he is unable to get best out of players at his disposal. Too stubborn tactically, asking players to do a job in an unfamiliar position, whilst having talent club paid millions for on the bench.Next Bayern manager once they get rid of Kompany?
Surely he couldn’t have been that naive?! I mean that would just highlight why he was so completely out of his depth
They spoke to him at the end of last season but he got hammered of Palace 4-0 and they decided against it.Next Bayern manager once they get rid of Kompany?
He's a good coach.