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Ha Ha Geezers got his own very special version of Football Manager !After this we should get Kane and son for £30m combined, then see about van dijk for £20m
Ha Ha Geezers got his own very special version of Football Manager !After this we should get Kane and son for £30m combined, then see about van dijk for £20m
Agree a sensible list with realistic prices, I think the reality is the club are actually losing 4 Midfielders, Matic (CDM), Pogba (BTB), Mata (AM), Lingard (AM)Forward: Nunez 65m or Nkunku 65m
Forward: Antony 50m or Bergwijn 30m
Midfield: De Jong 65m
Midfield: Kamara free or Sangare 35m
CB: Inacio 35m or Ndicka 35m
LB: Sosa 25m
Not really and Neymar isn't the starting point of an inflation. For that kind of fee you have to be pre 2008-2009.It's what players used to cost pre Neymar to psg. His been under a rock.
Is this 2006?£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.
Just buy FM12 and get them all together for 50k, easyHa Ha Geezers got his own very special version of Football Manager !
I think the Ronaldo and Kaka window started the general increase to the top players/talents costing 100m (with players like Zidane and Figo making it a bit less shocking to break the limit occasionally), but Neymar and Mbappe being 220 and 180(?) seemingly made many good players cost 100m too. I wonder if the Dembele/Hazard/Coutinho/Griezmann transfers humbled things down a bit, though.Not really and Neymar isn't the starting point of an inflation. For that kind of fee you have to be pre 2008-2009.
The inflation in prices is linked to the inflation in TV and sponsorship deals, Football clubs make a lot more money today than they did 15-20 years ago. They actually mirror each others with total transfer spendings increasing after the signings of new deals. People make the basic mistake of looking at fees without looking at who the selling club is and what are their finances, a club that doesn't need to sell won't sell a player for a reasonable fee, they have no reason to do that.Just buy FM12 and get them all together for 50k, easy
I think the Ronaldo and Kaka window started the general increase to the top players/talents costing 100m (with players like Zidane and Figo making it a bit less shocking to break the limit occasionally), but Neymar and Mbappe being 220 and 180(?) seemingly made many good players cost 100m too. I wonder if the Dembele/Hazard/Coutinho/Griezmann transfers humbled things down a bit, though.
But you can't get a Maguire/Rice/Neves/Koulibaly for 30m anymore (bar a few personal/contractual exceptions), while they will not be your star attacker or midfielder, nor your marketable poster boys in another manner (like Van Dijk is for Liverpool).
Are you having a laugh? Take a break from the lower leagues once in a while and play with the big boys.£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.
That is true also, but bigger jumps did happen around those time. I guess it was all bound to happen eventually, though, but the way things did seems (to me) influenced by the limit breakers, rather than everything moving as 'gradually' as the overall market did.The inflation in prices is linked to the inflation in TV and sponsorship deals, Football clubs make a lot more money today than they did 15-20 years ago. They actually mirror each others with total transfer spendings increasing after the signings of new deals. People make the basic mistake of looking at fees without looking at who the selling club is and what are their finances, a club that doesn't need to sell won't sell a player for a reasonable fee, they have no reason to do that.
I'll just give you an example, why would you expect to get a Koulibaly for 30m€ in 2017 when Otamendi, Bailly, Mangala, Lindelof went for more prior to this transfer? Someone like Martial went for +50m€ after 6 months as a starter for Monaco, Andy Carroll went for +40m€ in 2011. People have largely been in denial of fees, it's not new and it wasn't a jump, it's also worth mentioning that Neymar's "fee" isn't related to the market, it's a buyout, it has no relation to his market value.That is true also, but bigger jumps did happen around those time. I guess it was all bound to happen eventually, though, but the way things did seems (to me) influenced by the limit breakers, rather than everything moving as 'gradually' as the overall market did.
Perhaps the shock about transfers is mostly based on these players' wages and their contracts costing so much, while forgetting that it's all marketing and marketability. Plus, even if all they're able to do is kick a ball in the right direction (you hope), it is these fellas making the market roll as it does, so it's not that weird that they make a lot of money. Bruce Willis made a lot of money too, because his face is the one that sells. I don't know what does screen writers and producers earned, but you don't put Mr. Woodward on the cover of FIFA 23. And then just like you said, why sell a marketable player if you'll have to replace that market value with a variable. The 100m does increase your chances of getting a new star, but 150m gives more breathing space when you lose that Messive income stream and need to find Neyw market value.
The inflation in wages matches with the inflation in TV deals, especially in the PL. It went from 1bn in 2004 to 1.7bn in 2007 to 3bn in 2013 to 5bn in 2016 and current 4.5bn. There is nothing insane with the current wages inflation, there is simply significantly more money in Football between TV right and sponsoring deals that are multiple times higher than before. Surely you didn't expect wages to not increase dramatically when everyone is aware of every commercial and TV deals?
It honestly wouldnt suprise me if the club tries to bring them both in as frees. Eriksson would make sense due to his technical ability; fantastic passing, crossing, setpieces and corners. Also a good shot on him. However could you really play him in the same misfield three with either bruno or VDB? I doubt it.Agree a sensible list with realistic prices, I think the reality is the club are actually losing 4 Midfielders, Matic (CDM), Pogba (BTB), Mata (AM), Lingard (AM)
With only Fred, Mctominay, Bruno, DVB as senior pros, we need at least 2 Midfielders and probably 3 especially with Europa or Europa conference next season.
My picks Kamara, E Christensen (both Free) F De Jong or D Rice 70M or £100M or a cheeky bid to Chelsea for Ngolo Kante at 35M, he’s 30 will easily play for 5 more years because of his athletic frame. We need a world class no 6 and a decent back up, we also need another creative midfielder whose at an elite level and knows the PL.We can bring through James Garner then in Europe.
Get Colleen Rooney on itSimple give ten people in Utd 4 names, 3 the same and the 4th one 10 different players and see which one ( or more) shows up in the paper sand there folks you have your mole(s) once and for all.
interesting I though Ngolo Kante was a good idea and it looks ETH thinks so too, trust me even at 30/31 you could play CE or DVB with Bruno In the 3, seems to me that we need 2/3 in midfield 2 in defence and 2 upfront so ETH saying 6/7 is pretty much in line what we all know, Add Amad Dialo, James Garner and maybe E Laird which would be 9/10 new players and ship out 12-14 we all know who they are!It honestly wouldnt suprise me if the club tries to bring them both in as frees. Eriksson would make sense due to his technical ability; fantastic passing, crossing, setpieces and corners. Also a good shot on him. However could you really play him in the same misfield three with either bruno or VDB? I doubt it.
How similar are bobucar kamara and autelien tchounami? If we have no real chance with the latter would the former be a good stand in?
I'll give you £10m for all 5First of all we need to sell players to open some space. Here is a realistic list:
£31,4m Andreas Pereira
£82,7m Fred
£62,3m Telles
£45,1m Dalot
£173m Paul Pogba
See, this is what happens why you fry your brain by spending all Summer finding and posting tweets from the lower leagues.£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.
Maybe you'd like to add Darwin Nuñez for 5M and Antony for 2M to that list.£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.
Fred has been one of the most consistent performers. No way we should be selling him when Matic is already leaving.First of all we need to sell players to open some space. Here is a realistic list:
£31,4m Andreas Pereira
£82,7m Fred
£62,3m Telles
£45,1m Dalot
£173m Paul Pogba
This would probably be quite accurate if you removed everything before the decimal points:First of all we need to sell players to open some space. Here is a realistic list:
£31,4m Andreas Pereira
£82,7m Fred
£62,3m Telles
£45,1m Dalot
£173m Paul Pogba
See, this is what happens why you fry your brain by spending all Summer finding and posting tweets from the lower leagues.
Nkunku has been mentioned a bit. I think he's an interesting option. People won't like it but i also think haller would be a good sub striker. More and more we see the importance of the right players for a managers system while more talented players fail in a set up that doesn't suit.Who are the most linked besides De Jong and Timber?
They obviously make sense as players that he's worked with previously that know and fit his style, but I'm interested to see which players he targets that he doesn't know, but likes their abilities to work in his system.
Even if my price predictions are wrong by 10-15%, we could still get those 4 players for £69-81M, and have room leftover for Rice (£60-70M).
Don't lie. You got that from The Departed, didn't you? I read it in a Southie accent to make it sound even better!Simple give ten people in Utd 4 names, 3 the same and the 4th one 10 different players and see which one ( or more) shows up in the paper sand there folks you have your mole(s) once and for all.
yes well, I think you can safely double to triple those sums though.£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.
A midfielder is crucial and I hope we get at least one sorted soon. Timber also looks like he is coming.Nkunku has been mentioned a bit. I think he's an interesting option. People won't like it but i also think haller would be a good sub striker. More and more we see the importance of the right players for a managers system while more talented players fail in a set up that doesn't suit.
I don't think we'll get de Jong, but he, tchouameni and nkunku could transform our starting 11.
I worry about how few full backs are linked
He's right footed. Do agree he'd go for a silly number like 50 if he was left-footed, probably more like 40 in this reality, but I think Palace would want to make that sell in 2 years when he still has 2 years left. Also Chelsea might want him back with Christensen and Rudiger and Azpi all leavingI think he’d be very good. Tidy on the ball and left footed. CP could ask silly money for him now though. He’d be over 50 million.
Declan fried rice
Oops! Nevermind. He's a good player, and I was surprised Chelsea let him go. Done very well at Swansea and I think is better than Chalobah. Was always highly rated at Chelsea as well.He's right footed. Do agree he'd go for a silly number like 50 if he was left-footed, probably more like 40 in this reality, but I think Palace would want to make that sell in 2 years when he still has 2 years left. Also Chelsea might want him back with Christensen and Rudiger and Azpi all leaving
I'd be over the moon if we can pull this off. I think de Jong and Timber are possible.CB - Timber
CM - De Jong
CM - Tchouaméni
FW - Nkunku
Nkunku can play as a Striker though, his versatility would be huge for us if Ronaldo is staying as we aren't going to find a pure striker of a high enough quality who is happy to just play games here and there.I'd be over the moon if we can pull this off. I think de Jong and Timber are possible.
Tchouameni probably won't come, Pogba will talk him out of it and he has enough suitors.
We might also buy a backup striker instead of signing Nkuku this year.
Has the value of football players cracked lately? These prices are VERY LOW compared with 2019-2021. We talk about a 30-40% price reduction.£5M - CENTRE BACK = Goncalo Inacio
£35M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Frenkie De Jong
£10-15M - CENTRE MIDFIELDER = Ibrahim Sangare
£10-15M - VERSATILE ATTACKER = Christopher NKunku
Total spend: £60-70M. That leaves room for more strengthening, such as Rice (£50-60M) + AWB replacement.