Big customer-demanding-to-speak-to-your-supervisor energy from that reporter. Clown.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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RR was a failure. If ETH gets 6th, he will also be a failure. It is that simple.
If the security guard can givee them their P45s I’m game
What ETH has to deal with:
Of course it’s not that simple. Jesus Christ. Every manager should be given the chance to build his own team before he can be fairly judged. And that will take longer for some managers than others. With the size of the overhaul handed to ETH it’s a massive ask to expect him to have a squad that is fully fit for purpose by the beginning of next season. If we finish sixth with a team that seems to be improving over the course of the season and is playing a discernible, coherent style of football then he has obviously done a reasonable job.
The big test for him will be the following season. That’s when expectations will reasonably be much higher.
This is one of the best things Ive seen any manager do in terms of handling journalists.
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The way he just bounced off him as well, like a kidWhomever that player is, if they're not leaving by their own accord, they should be released this summer, no questions asked. I don't understand how senior management can just let that happen
Sign him. We've found our DM.
I hate to say this. I rate Ten Hag and want him to succeed, but what he's inheriting is so damaged it seems doomed to fail. One toxic player can ruin a dressing room, and it seems as if weve a squad full. The sky journalist there was a snapshot of how scummy they are and how quickly they can change a narrative - to patronisingly tell a man who has won titles and had CL success with a club as big as Ajax that 'United are a big club' exposes that there are probably already a number of journalists who see him as potentially out of his depth coming from Holland to PL.
There are so many outside forces that can be combated by a tight and loyal squad and I just dont see how he achieves it. Im imagining opening fixtures like Leicester away, Brighton home, Wolves away. Getting 4 points and the narrative hurtling straight to 'turmoil' while our horrible players come up with some crap nickname for him.
Maybe my pessimism is a sign of how bad recent years have been and maybe he's a force of nature that will rip things up and do it his way - I hope so.
There are so many outside forces that can be combated by a tight and loyal squad and I just dont see how he achieves it. Im imagining opening fixtures like Leicester away, Brighton home, Wolves away. Getting 4 points and the narrative hurtling straight to 'turmoil' while our horrible players come up with some crap nickname for him.
Maybe my pessimism is a sign of how bad recent years have been and maybe he's a force of nature that will rip things up and do it his way - I hope so.
"About my contract, there is no exit clause in it by any chance?"
Haven't heard this joke before at all.
You just knew the internet would be awash with it the moment it came out he’d be at the Palace game.
Of course. It is not that simple.
And yet, it is actually that simple!
Ole and RR are bad managers, and that's the reason they never managed a big side before, and they will never manage a big side in the future. This is a fact.
Now, these two bad managers, with this squad, they got 6th. ETH will buy and sell a couple of players, so he will have a better squad next year. Now, if ETH with a better squad does not manage to do better than the two bad managers, then he is a failure. It is that simple.
Of course, there might be some mitigating circumstances, injuries, unlucky results etc, but after 12 months, on the average, he is definitely expected to do better than Ole and RR.
First decision the board have got right in hiring ETH.
Gotcha makes sense.
What time is the press conference?
@12 BST
At this rate that reporter is going to get punched out by a fan. I won't blame the fan.
The problem is you're defining failure through results. It would be like Liverpool not persisting with Klopp after his first 7 months in charge. What matters more so than results is whether or not our play has improved to a point where we feel transfers can change results. It's not a coincidence that Klopp after 2017/18 had Liverpool in a better position than Mourinho did United despite United finishing above Liverpool. We were relying on individual talent as our general play was awful.
One of the reasons why many of us are hopeful of Ten Hag is because he is supposed to change our play for the better. It's not solely about results. Like I stated earlier, I would be more worried about United if ETH got us 4th, but had us playing tumescent football that resembles our past managers compared to if he had gotten us 6th, but improving our general play. Because I know which team would be easier to fix its problems.
I feel like there is a fundamental divide in how failure was defined and therefore how it occurred in the past. Some did not want our managers sacked because they felt the league position meant our foundation was almost there. Others did want our managers sacked sooner because they felt the league position was fool's gold and that the play was the foundation for future success. I belong to the latter group meaning that I had less patience for previous managers. But it was never due to league position, it was due to how United were playing.
First part of the interview out in 5 mins.
Presser at 12.
Presser at 12.
Yes, success and failure are defined through results. Always!
He is the same one who hassled him when still at Ajax. He will be taking a restraining order out on him.
his first interview airs at 10am,so in 3 mins. Press conference at 12.
Then it needs ripping apart and rebuilding. Because if they don't no manager will succeed.
No, what you're suggesting is that short term success, of which you define it as top 4, is more important than true long term success. I am concerned with challenging for the two biggest trophies (PL and CL). What a lot of us are saying is that United playing modern football of which the best managers are known for, is crucial to achieve worthwhile results.
You guys are overvaluing league positions as springboards for future success.
First part is out, although they need to work on the format for the transcript.
Absolutely cannot wait to get him in and really start work on breaking his spirit and destroying his career.
Anyway to watch the interview without signing up to the website?
Transcript of interview
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I can already see the meltdown, bloody hell
They've used "Geggen Pressing" almost in every sentence, is that count ?He said philosophy too
But really, decent presser. "Total high pressing" - excited to see how it goes! I don't think the media ever got Rangnick to say anything about pressing.
Noooooooooooo
He said philosophy too
But really, decent presser. "Total high pressing" - excited to see how it goes! I don't think the media ever got Rangnick to say anything about pressing.
5 weeks until he starts preseason with some of the players. Guessing it'll be the ones not involved in the nations league. Should hopefully have a chunk of the transfers done by then as well
The players who are lazy will be out on their arse by the way he's talking. 'good' is not enough for him. Love it!
no smiles and good vibes from this one.He's not going to make friends in the media is he?
Been putting my thoughts in the last post.
Really like him.
He sounds like he's got a plan and intends to execute it his way. I suspect he's quite stubborn!
I also like his 'philosophy'! Good is not enough for him, and he places a high value on hard hard work.
I do worry about most of the current players - their attitude makes me suspect they will be against the way he works. However, I do not know of his man management skills. If it's close to what Sir Alex has, then perhaps he can get even the sceptical ones on board. We do need the suits at United to back him 100% with this. They need to make it clear to the players that Ten Hag is in charge and there will be consequences for being lazy, leaking etc. Otherwise, they would really need to buy a whole new team.
We also as fans need to stay away from the negativity and give him space to work. You know the media will be working overtime to disrupt shit, we just need to block them out.
Great interview, apart from him referencing our 2nd place finish countless times.
That’s a big worry, as it might indicate, that he doesn’t want that many changes, which would be very concerning.
That’s a big worry, as it might indicate, that he doesn’t want that many changes, which would be very concerning.