In the second half yes.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Warming up to the idea that not seeing McTomminay, Shaw, Maguire, Fred and Rashford in the starting line up will do wonders for my mental health, even if the players in for them are players like Arnautovic
Absolutely! I think it’s only taken ETH one game to realise he needs the same, for his own sanity!
I like to imagine what the conversation with Arnold and Glazers went like post match. I bet he lost his shit
When ETH said this in preseason I got worried but thought he might have a plan. Hope he is not a stubborn person to pursue the same. Fred can be useful as AM. He can also press higher up. But no way he is a DM or DLP/Holding midfielder.
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I can imagine words along the lines of "have you seen the fecking state of them!" were screamed at some point.Absolutely! I think it’s only taken ETH one game to realise he needs the same, for his own sanity!
I like to imagine what the conversation with Arnold and Glazers went like post match. I bet he lost his shit
But seriously, we should just go down the Barca route at this point, get a bunch of players with something to prove that aren't world class in for a couple of seasons, try and land the big names we want to replace them and then move them on in. If they bench the likes of Rashford and he can't get back in the team then they need to be sold on next summer also, we can't keep giving these lads a cushy number for years.
Testing your patience after 1 match? Good one.
These comments don't feel me with confidence. Another season of McFred.... I'm dreading this season already.
Testing my patience after 1 match and some ridiculous transfer ideas.
In fact, the whole summer of transfer activity has been well dodgy apart from Malacia. I don't want to speculate how much EtH's stubborness was involved in it, but overall it is not impressive.
We finally have a manager worth giving time and backing. It's been one game and there'll be plenty of bumps on the road, but if we finish this season playing good football I'll be content. This is a long term project.
Turn what around? Its been literally one match. Its going to take years, literal years to turn this around.
I swear, you people are wild.
Do you know how I am least impressed with by a country mile? Our fans. Our idiot fans who are already starting to turn on the manager after a single fecking game. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
That's not the case. I think everyone is just frustrated at the management and owners. Most understand the situation ten Hag has found himself in.
United came 2nd two seasons ago without Ronaldo, but came 6th last season with him.
But the point I'm making and nobody seems to be getting it: the new manager needed to stamp his authority on the club like now. Dropping Ronaldo from the squad, for disciplinary reasons, would have done that - but I believe he came under pressure not to do so from the people above him. He wont get 5 years like Sir Alex, if we lose to Brentford which will be another close match early in the season, well the next match is Liverpool. United could be 9 points off the lead in August... that would immediately put ETH and the club into full-on crisis mode. He will be getting 'advice' from Gill/Ferguson/Robson (I still have no idea why) and there will be dressing room discontent, lead by Ronaldo, who wants to play in the CL & not spend one of his final seasons as a player battling it out in mid-table with Brighton, Wolves, Leicester, Aston Villa, Leeds and Brentford.
I can actually see ETH doing a Steve Coppell and walking away after a month, because he he will have realised he is in an impossible job that could tarnish his CV for the foreseeable. Although he will probably hang-on for 18 months, just to get the big pay-off and in 2024 the whole thing will start all over again.
Sir Alex Ferguson hasn't gone, in fact he was recently given more of a say in what happens at Old Trafford, despite the numerous mistakes he has made towards the end of his time as manager, during the last 9 years and also, most egregiously, in 2003.
The best laid plans can fail at the 'first contact with the enemy', that is what happened to ETH on Sunday.
True his main 'chess piece' has yet to arrive (FDJ) and we are not even sure if he ever will, so then some significant/radical changes are necessary immediately.
Significant changes will need to be made and it looks like Bruno will suffer now. When he arrived he was like a 'Catherine wheel' firework ' constantly spinning and firing all over the pitch' at his best igniting others around him, at his worst just dropping off the radar for a while, but now he's just spinning intermittently and it seems without purpose.
If ETH wants to have a 'pass and move' approach for getting us up the pitch, then its Bruno who will be sacrificed
True his main 'chess piece' has yet to arrive (FDJ) and we are not even sure if he ever will, so then some significant/radical changes are necessary immediately.
Significant changes will need to be made and it looks like Bruno will suffer now. When he arrived he was like a 'Catherine wheel' firework ' constantly spinning and firing all over the pitch' at his best igniting others around him, at his worst just dropping off the radar for a while, but now he's just spinning intermittently and it seems without purpose.
If ETH wants to have a 'pass and move' approach for getting us up the pitch, then its Bruno who will be sacrificed
Genuinely what were some of you expecting, that we would have a new style up and running by the FIRST game of the season after a shortened pre season? Brighton normally outplay us, they are a good team who generally struggle to score but they cause everyone problems, we have a tough start to the season. We all know there are passengers in our team, we all know they've basically been taught to sit in and lump long balls on the counter for 5 years, this is going to take time. There's going to be a lot of similarities with LVG's football, we just have to hope the recruiting side is better. I can see us losing to Brentford and Pool and everyone throwing their toys out the pram, it really doesn't matter - the scale of the task shouldn't be underestimated by anyone.
I also think that a single transfer, replacing McT with any good, doesn't even need to be world class, CM will transform us. Almost everything should be building through him in this system and he simply isn't good enough to play that role, he is the one player I think we just have to sign a body to replace rather than have a specific target in mind. Literally anyone we've been linked with will do.
I also think that a single transfer, replacing McT with any good, doesn't even need to be world class, CM will transform us. Almost everything should be building through him in this system and he simply isn't good enough to play that role, he is the one player I think we just have to sign a body to replace rather than have a specific target in mind. Literally anyone we've been linked with will do.
Its really bonkers isn't it. I'm upset and disheartened about the first game but some of the stuff I'm seeing is bonkers. It's a long season people! Let's see how many bodies we've got in by the end of the window.
You could put Pep,Klopp, Conte etc, in charge and it wouldn’t change a thing. This remnant is the core of a Morinho/Ole squad which was already an unbalanced mess to begin with.
The big problem now seems that these players have dug in and taken control. They certainly don’t like being told what to do or how to play. If ETH becomes a problem they’ll just force him out like they did with Rangnick.
The big problem now seems that these players have dug in and taken control. They certainly don’t like being told what to do or how to play. If ETH becomes a problem they’ll just force him out like they did with Rangnick.
The days of this club supporting the manager through thick and thin are long gone. We've gone through so many sackings in the last decade that we can't really claim that high horse any more, in my opinion. I don't see any particular manager as being 'the one we have to support no matter what'. EtH is simply 'the one we have now'.
If he does well, fantastic. If not, there'll be another one after him. He can have some time (not infinite) to implement a style, but he needs to be more careful with the transfer strategy because if he signs shite and he still doesn't do well, the stench lingers after he's sacked because our club is hopeless at moving players on.
I mean, look at Phil Jones who's STILL here, for fecks sake. And that was Fergie's shite!
It’s becoming rapidly clear that Ten Hag was not responsible for signing players at Ajax.
Life’s a lot easier when you’ve got Overmars and VDS setting the team up for you.
Life’s a lot easier when you’ve got Overmars and VDS setting the team up for you.
I think Ten Hag is going to struggle with the level of PC in England. I don't think he has questionable morality at all but his defense of Overmars and his courting of Arnautovic has to make you wonder if he values football more than he should? He needs to win a lot or the scum journos will use this stuff against him and I hope he has been briefed to not talk about Greenwood at all.
Turn last season around. No one is expecting us to challenge for the league, but give me a break. We had a whole preseason and we come out and play worse than last season with tactics that made even less sense. EtH needs to show that we are at least a bit better than last season.
And no it’s not going to take years to make us play better than last season. If you actually think that then something surely is wrong with you. I swear you people are dumb.
As good a manager as I think Ten Hag is, he does seem to have some of the same flaws hé had as a Ajax manager. The interest in Arnautovic… you couldn’t make that stuff up. What was he thinking? He die the same at Ajax and went for quite a few former players, all of whom flopped hard *** Ajax (Labyad, Klaiber, Promes, Haller to some extend). Weird thing is, everybody saw it coming, except for himself..
I agree with your post about his recruitment but Haller didn't flop in any way.
Oh thats my point, you support the manager until it becomes apparent that he is the issue and what is holding you back. We have utter bellends complaining that the manager isn't up to it after a single game against a good and well drilled opposition. Mind bogglings.
Conversely, we should have sacked Ole after the first season when it was very clear that he wasn't up to the job of adding value to the players or getting them to play football that could win major trophies.
There has to be a sensible balance like there is at all top teams.
What worries me is that our "fans" will make EtHs job 10x harder because they are not backing him.
Seriously? If this is true then it's really incompetent of Murtough to blindly back him in signing players he's worked with
Marin as well.
In the squad he is the closet currently to what Ten Hag needs in that role, quite obviously he envisaged FDJ in the role and not Fred
He really did, to the point that most Ajax fans are glad he's been sold.
Ajax fans have special demands for a striker. Haller only scored some goals. So the stats look great, but he didn't really contribute to the team any other way and besides scoring a lot of goals, he missed a lot of 100% chances.
Unfortunately that's the pressure that comes with a United that that has won feck all of note in a decade, its not unusual. There's not been a single manager since Fergie left who has not experienced this pressure. Moyes, LvG, Jose, Ole and Rangnick all had a large section of doubters which eventually swallowed them. There hasn't been a coach who's received 100% backing from the fans.
He will have to overcome it. If he cannot, he just becomes another one in the long line of coaches who have been swallowed by the history of the club and the expectations of the fans.
90 minutes into the season, extraordinary patience indeed.
It's not becoming rapidly clear, it's a well known fact, Overmars brought in the players.
All the nutters wanting Erik gone after one match.
Who do you think will want to work for the Glazer cancer?
Who do you think will want to work for the Glazer cancer?
He's only testing it, hasn't broke it yet. Not by a long way. I still have a lot of time for him.
But if he keeps insisting on targeting players like Arnautovic, the end is probably nigh.
I don't rate him high either but it doesn't matter, his scoring record and the fact he was sold for profit means he wasn't a flop.
What the last decade has taught me is that there will always be some cnut out there who fancies himself as 'The One', comes in to great fanfare, sacks the entire backroom staff on Day One, buys 100m worth of players we can't get rid off, then proceeds to fail as badly as those before him.
Yup, as you can tell, I'm pretty sick of the last 10 years
90 fecking minutes NINETY feckING MIMUTES.
I don't actually CARE about that Brighton result. We lost, big deal.
It's the transfer nonsense after the game which really pissed me off. If the whole plan was always "Frenkie or bust", fine, then let's not panic about transfers after ONE game
I am upset as well, but this is a stretch. The false 9 is due to having negative options in attack, and like it or not McFred is still the only midfield we have. Maguire and Shaw should have started, as evidence by Malacia's struggles when he came on and Varane not fully fit/not been as good as Maguire anyway.
Arnautovic is entirely on him and that is quite a red flag for me, as is not signing a midfielder unless it's FDJ. I hope he learns fast, because this is a job where the good will is all but gone from the fans and the media would love nothing more than to watch him fail.
He made a point to wanting help with knowing the league, so it is really bizarre we have gone into it ignoring all the advice that is out there...
Exactly, so why are we trusting his judgment to sign players now?
If we wanted proof of the incompetence of these scum who own us, just look at the panic mode of trying to get players in.What the last decade has taught me is that there will always be some cnut out there who fancies himself as 'The One', comes in to great fanfare, sacks the entire backroom staff on Day One, buys 100m worth of players we can't get rid off, then proceeds to fail as badly as those before him.
Yup, as you can tell, I'm pretty sick of the last 10 years
This should have been addressed before the pre season even started.
Ralf's report for which he was fired was the go to document that detailed how deep a shit we were in, in as far as the squad was concerned.
Yet. They place this artificial budget to operate within.
The FdJ situation is a failure of the people the Glazers appointed to negotiate.
In business there is always a back up plan. Credible substitutes.
Even in the current situation, it would be cheaper to pay the deferred wages to get the transfer over the line.
Mourinho was right. The club is run as business. Not a football club.
But hey. They took over the club 'legally' so they cannot be all bad right?