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I think we have decent chance against City. They like to press high and play with high defensive line. It will play into our hands of quick transition to start counter attack. We are very good in this tactic.

Our problems are more on lack of creativity and quick attacking play in controlled possession football when the team sit deep to defend.
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
Whilst I consider myself an optimist, this is too much for even me, your username is very apt!
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
Think Ronaldo, Fred, DVB and AWB will be sold if suitors can be found personally.

I see Tielemans joining for a small fee since his contract expires in the summer, I dont see FDJ yet, but I can see a striker. The RB option I have no idea.
 

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Think Ronaldo, Fred, DVB and AWB will be sold if suitors can be found personally.

I see Tielemans joining for a small fee since his contract expires in the summer, I dont see FDJ yet, but I can see a striker. The RB option I have no idea.
Is not Donny coming back from injury?
Ronaldo and AWB for sure. Not sure about Fred.
The problem we have is there is not much depth below the expected starting 11. Casemiro looks a dud. Ok. He may need to improve his fitness and adjust to the pace of how EtH wants to play.
I understand if some think it is being too optimistic to think of the title.
City are obviously the favourites. But they do not look invulnerable. The big plus they have is Haaland of course.
Arsenal wont last.
Liverpool look a spent team.
Chelsea are on a rebuild.
Spurs look the part.

Erik is spending this break looking at all facets of the club. Not just the next match.
 

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Nagelsmann might fancy coming here then
Yeah, BM would obviously be conditional upon Nagelsmann leaving. Considering the ongoing minor issues around Bayern's performance and the expectation (at virtually PSG levels) that they'll essentially win the league by default for the foreseeable future, all of which means JN's at best 'on par', its quite plausible that three years down the line he's both still attractive to title-challenging clubs in other leagues And Bayern are willing to essentially allow a manager swap to freshen things up, try and win the CL again etc. Those scenarios rarely pan out, of course, but it's non-zero probability.
 

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Is not Donny coming back from injury?
Ronaldo and AWB for sure. Not sure about Fred.
The problem we have is there is not much depth below the expected starting 11. Casemiro looks a dud. Ok. He may need to improve his fitness and adjust to the pace of how EtH wants to play.
I understand if some think it is being too optimistic to think of the title.
City are obviously the favourites. But they do not look invulnerable. The big plus they have is Haaland of course.
Arsenal wont last.
Liverpool look a spent team.
Chelsea are on a rebuild.
Spurs look the part.


Erik is spending this break looking at all facets of the club. Not just the next match.
I think Fred is going to be sold, he doesn't play the way ETH wants. Fred isn't an attacking midfielder and he's poor defensively. He can't play passes through the lines so in respect to people like Casemiro and now Eriksen fighting for similar positions, Fred won't last IMO.

Casemiro is world class, he just needs a small adjustment period I have zero doubts about him.

Arsenal are inexperienced I think they'll bottle it by January, Liverpool depends on injuries but they lack depth. Chelsea I think will take a little time getting used to Potter and it's a new squad that needs to gel. And Spurs yes have had time under Conte last year they're the dark horses this year for second I think, City will walk it this year.
 

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I'm almost sure that LVG used to do it. I don't know about the others.
From M.E.N:

"In his analysis of the United squad, Ten Hag noted a shortage of left-footed players and United bought left-back Tyrell Malacia, left centre-back Lisandro Martinez and left-footed winger Antony in the summer transfer window."

Who said management was difficult?
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
I can't see us spending 150m+ in the Jan window, plus we must move on some of the remaining deadwood (I'd include Ronaldo in that). And as much as I love how we are bouncing back, fancying us for the title this season is just setting yourself up for disappointment and the team for an unfair backlash. That's just not how this stuff happens. CL qualification this season would be a massive achievement as it is.
 

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Not too much of a surprise from watching us but we've had the lowest defensive line in the league so far by this measure.
 

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I can't see us spending 150m+ in the Jan window, plus we must move on some of the remaining deadwood (I'd include Ronaldo in that). And as much as I love how we are bouncing back, fancying us for the title this season is just setting yourself up for disappointment and the team for an unfair backlash. That's just not how this stuff happens. CL qualification this season would be a massive achievement as it is.
If we had a proper transfer meaning Erik had got the players he wanted before pre season And no Ronaldo drama, we would certainly be among the favourites to win the title.
We would not have started with the two losses.
City are big favourites of course. But we can see United beat anyone else comfortably.

Being ok with Top 4 is conditioning. This is what the Glazers want. They do not want to spend the extra money to win the title.
You can see EtH going all out to win games. He certainly is not settling. And as long time United supporters neither should we.
We should always be competing for the title.
But it is more than that.
Restoring the stadium, training facilities and investing in the future of the club is equally important.

This season? It is not a stretch to expect us to win the title.
City have their usual tumble. Would we be ready to take advantage?
I too do not expect us to spend huge amounts in January.
But getting FdJ is doable. It is unfinished business.
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
If you believe we are going to sign 3 players in the January window I don’t know what to say to you.
 

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We will probably sign Tielemans for around £10-12 million and that will be it in January. Its already being reported that glazers and Murtough have vetoed any spending in January and this will be the 'surprise' signing they will get in for TH to keep him happy.
We can finish top 4 and maybe even runners up again, but think Haaland will nail on another title for City.
 

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If we had a proper transfer meaning Erik had got the players he wanted before pre season And no Ronaldo drama, we would certainly be among the favourites to win the title.
We would not have started with the two losses.
City are big favourites of course. But we can see United beat anyone else comfortably.

Being ok with Top 4 is conditioning. This is what the Glazers want. They do not want to spend the extra money to win the title.
You can see EtH going all out to win games. He certainly is not settling. And as long time United supporters neither should we.
We should always be competing for the title.
But it is more than that.
Restoring the stadium, training facilities and investing in the future of the club is equally important.

This season? It is not a stretch to expect us to win the title.
City have their usual tumble. Would we be ready to take advantage?
I too do not expect us to spend huge amounts in January.
But getting FdJ is doable. It is unfinished business.
To me, it looks like the fdj money was spent on casimero, or possibly the extra needed to land Antony.

It should be our ambition to win the prem of course. But it our immediate goal must be consistent CL qualification. That's the kind of platform we need and have been unable to achieve since fergienleft. We shouldnt be talking about winning titles before we are able to demonstrate consistent title challenges. Especially when you look at City, who are years ahead of where we are. We have to do this right, build a machine not a one off wonder.
 

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Is not Donny coming back from injury?
Ronaldo and AWB for sure. Not sure about Fred.
The problem we have is there is not much depth below the expected starting 11. Casemiro looks a dud. Ok. He may need to improve his fitness and adjust to the pace of how EtH wants to play.
I understand if some think it is being too optimistic to think of the title.
City are obviously the favourites. But they do not look invulnerable. The big plus they have is Haaland of course.
Arsenal wont last.
Liverpool look a spent team.
Chelsea are on a rebuild.
Spurs look the part.

Erik is spending this break looking at all facets of the club. Not just the next match.
I think this is why the club should back the Manager in January. There is actually a little window where there is a chance for United to be challenging for the title this year.

It's only a small chance, and we would need to be lucky with injuries, but we need to put ourselves in a place to capitalise if the other teams continue to be inconsistent.

We shouldn't do a Mourinho and pay loads for older players, but if we can get in the right players we could kick on and be more resilient to injuries.

This season is going to be weird because of the world cup, and it's possible that we could make more of a challenge than we probably would have the right to expect because of it.

Of course the wheels could come off before January if we get some injuries, but if we have some luck we need to be ready to exploit it.
 

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I think this is why the club should back the Manager in January. There is actually a little window where there is a chance for United to be challenging for the title this year.

It's only a small chance, and we would need to be lucky with injuries, but we need to put ourselves in a place to capitalise if the other teams continue to be inconsistent.

We shouldn't do a Mourinho and pay loads for older players, but if we can get in the right players we could kick on and be more resilient to injuries.

This season is going to be weird because of the world cup, and it's possible that we could make more of a challenge than we probably would have the right to expect because of it.

Of course the wheels could come off before January if we get some injuries, but if we have some luck we need to be ready to exploit it.
I don't think we should be spending a load of money on a chance of capitalising on the small chance of other teams messing up. It's just a bad use of money. We should be building a machine for consistent challenges not one offs
 

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If we are to believe the reports, Erik is going for a striker, midfielder (hopefully Frankie) and a right back in the Jan window.
Hopefully Ronaldo will leave along with others he has no plans for.

City, Spurs and Chelsea are the only ones who can take points away from us.
If we get to the January window by being about 3 off the top, I fancy us for the title.
Don’t think we’re consistent enough yet to beat all the teams we should be beating. I’m more confident against the spurs and the Chelsea’s. City will be about 12 points in front come January I think. If by some miracle though we’re not that far of top then we should defo be looking at bringing in a player that can have the Bruno effect on us and make us unbeaten for the rest of the season.
 

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Well we need striker, rb and goalkeeper. We should get two of those at least.
I'd go for keeper and striker out of those three.

I think Dalot is improving under ten hag and we need a sweeper keeper to play how ETH wants and also clear we need a striker on par with the other top clubs (Haaland, Lew, Benzema etc). Rashford is doing it for now, but still think we need a poacher to lead the line.
 

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If EtH is really here to transform the club for the long term then I don't think the Glazers should waste money in January. The only exception would be if United are within 6 points of league leaders and an obvious signing (such as CF if United aren't scoring much) would close the gap.
 

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There you go. Both Palace and Bournemouth have a similar defensive line to us.

Fulham a bit of an outlier. They really took it to Arsenal and Liverpool. Fair play to them.
Newcastle have played Liverpool and City.

The teams with proactive keepers are playing the highest lines. I expect we'd be even lower since the first 2 games.
 

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Newcastle have played Liverpool and City.

The teams with proactive keepers are playing the highest lines. I expect we'd be even lower since the first 2 games.
Maybe. Either way, with such a small sample of games it’s hard to make any definitive conclusions about tactics or approach. The fixture list so far will be much more influential.
 

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Not too much of a surprise from watching us but we've had the lowest defensive line in the league so far by this measure.
It's because we don't really put teams under sustained pressure through out the game, not because we play a low block or anything like that.

First: As soon as we went 1-0 up we go into counter attacking mode even against the lesser teams. We almost got burned against Arsenal and Southampton because of this.

Second: We just kick it long as soon as we win possession and other teams are still able to play out from the back under our pressure.

The data definitely doesn't back up our form but I'm hoping the confidence will improve and we actually [;ay well.
 

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He really has transformed our team. Dalot is the best he's ever been and Rashford seems to be back in form. Bruno was inevitable, but it's nice to see him back as well.

With 5 new players in the starting eleven(I'm counting Casemiro already) and Ronaldo on the bench, he's basically changed half the team in a matter of months. All for the better too! Getting Eriksen, Martinez and Malacia for 63 million combined is starting to look like a genius piece of work.
 

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So what are the mitigating factors here, first two matches a write-off, then we're setting up in a counter attacking fashion against Liverpool, Arsenal too if we're being honest.

I'm not surprised by the lack of a high line. It definitely does put into focus the keeper situation and the problem with all the other centre backs bar Varane+Martinez at the club. But the press intensity is a bit surprising. Would have thought we'd be a lot higher up.
 

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So what are the mitigating factors here, first two matches a write-off, then we're setting up in a counter attacking fashion against Liverpool, Arsenal too if we're being honest.

I'm not surprised by the lack of a high line. It definitely does put into focus the keeper situation and the problem with all the other centre backs bar Varane+Martinez at the club. But the press intensity is a bit surprising. Would have thought we'd be a lot higher up.
We've not really pressed that intense over long periods or spurts other than the occasional times as a team so both the defensive line and pressing are not really surprises for me.

I really like what ETH has done so far but we've been more organised and effective/practical rather than expansive and high pressing as the 1 or 2 min highlight clips would show. It's not an issue for me as I realise it's still a massive work in progress.
 

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To play a higher line, a team needs:
1. A goalkeeper who can pass - we don't have one.
2. CBs who have pace - we sort of have this with Varane, but neither he nor Martinez have blistering pace.
3. A midfield with tight ball control that can be trusted in not losing possession under pressure - we only have Eriksen with neither McT nor Bruno being possession midfielders (Casemiro perhaps will be).
4. Forwards who can keep the ball up the pitch - Rashford and Ronaldo can't, but I am hopeful a front 3 of Martial, Sancho, Antony will.

Apart from a new goalkeeper, EtH will still have to go for a de Jong type midfielder next season. You simply cannot play a possession based, high-line system with the players we have at the moment unless they dramatically alter their individual attributes.
 
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There you go. Both Palace and Bournemouth have a similar defensive line to us.

Fulham a bit of an outlier. They really took it to Arsenal and Liverpool. Fair play to them.
We also played Maguire in our first two games so that's 4 out of 6 games where you'd expect us to not have had a high line so far. Will be more interesting to view this at the end of the season.
 

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We also played Maguire in our first two games so that's 4 out of 6 games where you'd expect us to not have had a high line so far. Will be more interesting to view this at the end of the season.
Yes, would have been interesting to see the pattern only for the last 4 games, but considering two of them were against Liverpool and Arsenal, nothing conclusive may emerge from it anyway.
 

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To play a higher line, a team needs:
2. CBs who have pace - we sort of have this with Varane, but neither he nor Martinez have blistering pace..
I'm not sure this is a key requirement. Guardiola has had plenty of CBs that aren't that fast.

There are built in risks with a high line that you're accepting when you use it, namely that you're going to get done on the counter sometimes. The idea is to compress the play so that your players are close to the ball so they can press quickly when they lose it. If the opponent has time to look for the through ball and pass it accurately then the press isn't working and it doesn't matter who the CBs are.

Edit: tidied it up a bit.
 
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I'm not sure this is a key requirement. Guardiola has had plenty of CBs that aren't that fast.

The point of the high line is to compress the play into the opponents half so you can press them quickly when you lose the ball. There are built in risks that you're accepting with it, namely that you're going to get done on the counter sometimes. The idea is to compress the play so that your players are close to the ball so they can press quickly when they lose it. If the opponent has time to look for the through ball and pass it accurately then the press isn't working and it doesn't matter who the CBs are.
You are right. I guess I should have said they have to be at least quicker, both on their feet and in their mind, than somebody like Maguire and Lindelof. That is something Varane and Martinez are already bringing to this team, and they are not really the reason for us not playing a high line.

We almost have a team for that style, but a few key ingredients of GK and the right kind of midfielders and forwards are still missing (Casemiro and Martial could resolve their respective positions this season but a new GK is a must).
 

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So what are the mitigating factors here, first two matches a write-off, then we're setting up in a counter attacking fashion against Liverpool, Arsenal too if we're being honest.

I'm not surprised by the lack of a high line. It definitely does put into focus the keeper situation and the problem with all the other centre backs bar Varane+Martinez at the club. But the press intensity is a bit surprising. Would have thought we'd be a lot higher up.
Actually United do press a lot considering the circumstances, it's just harder to apply pressure when you drop deeper and leave the usable pitch bigger. If you put a trend line through that you will see United well above it, just like Wolves, Leeds, Chelsea and Liverpool. If United keep that up and just move higher you will naturally see their PPDA stats as well.

The big question is of course if the team is able to move there without creating a disaster.
 

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We also played Maguire in our first two games so that's 4 out of 6 games where you'd expect us to not have had a high line so far. Will be more interesting to view this at the end of the season.
If anything I'd guess we played a higher line in the first two games but it was a disaster.
 

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Actually United do press a lot considering the circumstances, it's just harder to apply pressure when you drop deeper and leave the usable pitch bigger. If you put a trend line through that you will see United well above it, just like Wolves, Leeds, Chelsea and Liverpool. If United keep that up and just move higher you will naturally see their PPDA stats as well.

The big question is of course if the team is able to move there without creating a disaster.
Good point. It's a natural reaction to the shock of the first and second games and the teams we were playing. It was also the right thing to do by Ten Hag and Varane/Martinez.

I reckon you'll see us push up as the season progresses.
 

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We were fifth in terms of highest line in defence in 19/20 and 20/21 with the likes of Lindelof/Maguire with De Gea/Henderson in goal.

So I'm not gonna blame this on personnel. Its strictly a tactical move from Ten Hag.
 

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What people have to realise is that we are at the beginning of our development.

The first thing we need to make sure is that our defensive line works, thereafter we need a functioning midfield. Once that gets ironed out, we can as a team start to push higher.

Ten Hag is working on these principles in training but we still need to get results, we are playing a hybrid of Ten Hag / Counter attacking at the moment.
 
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