Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

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Maybe re-read what I said? I though that was a poor game for Ten Haag. It happens. Messi and Ronaldo have poor games and I've said "shades of bramble" when Rio has had poor games

No need to act so precious about Ten Haag as if he can never criticize him this is what Ole fans would do and it's weird. I'll be backing ten haag unless we finish 10th or something
 

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Some fans deserve Ole forever in a parallell universe
Is it possible to sack fans? Some of these miserable twats don’t deserve to be part of it. Supporters need to support.
 

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The same thing you wrote was said about previous managers.

When LVG was around, we hit top spot in the league at one point, then lost/drew a series of games. We did win an FA Cup, though.
He got fired.

When Jose joined, in his first season we won 2 trophies.

Then when Ole joined, and we won a lot of games initially, by big scorelines, the same was said. We won zero trophies.

So before you begin to congratulate each other on ETH's good performance, how about we win something first?
We are one of, if not the biggest spenders in World football and we haven't won any trophies in a long time. Those are the facts. If ETH really is one of the best, we should be winning a trophy this season and competing for all trophies next season.
I'm not saying that ETH is a bad manager - but we need to reserve judgement. If we can get 4th place this season, it'll be a good season for him.
This is some kind of selective memory. Here's what actually happened:

LVG got fired because he played boring, horrible football that everybody hated and there was no progression in sight for him to achieve anything above FA Cup or top 4. But most importantly he got fired because Mourinho became available and Woodward thought Mou was an easy way to win the league, while LVG clearly wasn't. That is why LVG got fired. He would NOT have gotten fired if Mou was employed. Fact.

Mou got fired because he became toxic, started actively complaining about lack of transfers and pissed off Woodward. Ed then used poor run of form to kick him out.

Ole got fired way later than he should have because he oversaw a series of most humiliating defeats in the history of United and completely lost control of the team.

They all got fired for a reason. None of them won anything that we really care about (UCL or the EPL).

EtH is exciting because he hasn't done anything horrible yet, has turned around the absolute worst United team enough so we are realistic contenders for top 4, and there's a feeling that if properly supported he can win EPL or UCL for us. That is why EtH is exciting. If he declines like others did, he will also get fired. But so far, he's been way better coach than Ole can ever be, and way smarter than Mourinho, also his football is better than that of LvG's.
 

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Maybe re-read what I said? I though that was a poor game for Ten Haag. It happens. Messi and Ronaldo have poor games and I've said "shades of bramble" when Rio has had poor games

No need to act so precious about Ten Haag as if he can never criticize him this is what Ole fans would do and it's weird. I'll be backing ten haag unless we finish 10th or something
For Gawd’s saake it is Hag not Haag, Shaamans!
 

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Nothing to do with the fact we have a shockingly shallow squad depth and have been, are, and will for the next few weeks, been playing games every 3 days whilst others have breaks (Arsenal having a full week off as an example).

Absolutely asinine in ETH’s first season as manager to be blaming him for this.
Who's blaming what? It's a constructive criticism. All i said bad performance in 2nd half is a clear pattern in United general play, not blip. It's something ETH must improve

I guess previous managers have mindbroke this place to the point that they can't separate fair observation and criticism.
 
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This is some kind of selective memory. Here's what actually happened:

LVG got fired because he played boring, horrible football that everybody hated and there was no progression in sight for him to achieve anything above FA Cup or top 4. But most importantly he got fired because Mourinho became available and Woodward thought Mou was an easy way to win the league, while LVG clearly wasn't. That is why LVG got fired. He would NOT have gotten fired if Mou was employed. Fact.

Mou got fired because he became toxic, started actively complaining about lack of transfers and pissed off Woodward. Ed then used poor run of form to kick him out.

Ole got fired way later than he should have because he oversaw a series of most humiliating defeats in the history of United and completely lost control of the team.

They all got fired for a reason. None of them won anything that we really care about (UCL or the EPL).

EtH is exciting because he hasn't done anything horrible yet, has turned around the absolute worst United team enough so we are realistic contenders for top 4, and there's a feeling that if properly supported he can win EPL or UCL for us. That is why EtH is exciting. If he declines like others did, he will also get fired. But so far, he's been way better coach than Ole can ever be, and way smarter than Mourinho, also his football is better than that of LvG's.
Hang on. What you’ve seen is so impressive that you think he can win the Champions League for you?!
 

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Hang on. What you’ve seen is so impressive that you think he can win the Champions League for you?!
EtH is currently one of the best managers in the world (not just based on his time at United but also at Ajax). United is one of the biggest clubs in the world. We finally have some players that would start at any team in the world (Casemiro, Licha, Varane, Rashford, maybe Bruno) and at least a competitive starting 11 overall. These are ingredients that if properly supported by proper ownership, in several years can fight for any trophy including EPL and UCL. In comparison, a team managed by Ole could only win these two trophies in his dreams.

So, yes.

We are easily 4/5 short from competing for that
Yes we need depth, but buying a great striker and 4 squad players is very doable with proper money and by smart ownership/recruitement.

Honestly, if we had a good striker, and good backups for Casemiro, Bruno, and Varane, we could fight for EPL even this year. Not because we are necessarily great, but because City, Liverpool and Chelsea are all having a bad season and Arsenal is only leaders in that context but they are nothing truly special, in the sense that City was special in past seasons. They will be so lucky if they win
 
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ETH needs to be supported so we can perform even without Casemiro who is already well into in his prime. Having a championship level duo to stand in for him will not cut it.
 

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ETH needs to be supported so we can perform even without Casemiro who is already well into in his prime. Having a championship level duo to stand in for him will not cut it.
Yeah we saw last Sunday how crucial he is
 

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Just for the record, my ‘Erik ten Halfwit’ post wasn’t serious. I think he’s doing a fantastic job and far exceeded what I expected at this stage.

His use of subs (or lack of) is a bit concerning at times but that’s the only real criticism. Aside from that he’s been a breath of fresh air.
 

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His use of subs (or lack of) is a bit concerning at times but that’s the only real criticism. Aside from that he’s been a breath of fresh air.
His lack of subs is a cry to those above that he doesnt believe the bench is good enough. A problem which has faced the previous managers to be fair.
 

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Just for the record, my ‘Erik ten Halfwit’ post wasn’t serious. I think he’s doing a fantastic job and far exceeded what I expected at this stage.

His use of subs (or lack of) is a bit concerning at times but that’s the only real criticism. Aside from that he’s been a breath of fresh air.
I noticed that too. Also, it’s bizarre to see a manager of Man Utd go so defensive against Arsenal to the point of play acting and timewasting.

Growing up in the Fergie era, if Man Utd were drawing 2-2 with Arsenal it would have been United pushing for the last minute winner not Arsenal.
 

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His lack of subs is a cry to those above that he doesnt believe the bench is good enough. A problem which has faced the previous managers to be fair.
He was criticised a bit for that while he was at Ajax as well. It's not about the United squad, it's his style of in-game management to trust his team and his plan.
 

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I noticed that too. Also, it’s bizarre to see a manager of Man Utd go so defensive against Arsenal to the point of play acting and timewasting.
Many things have changed since then. The simple truth is that Arsenal are as good as they have been in nearly 20 years and we are still recovering slowly but surely from a complete shitshow. We have a threadbare squad and were missing probably our most important player. I don't think it would have ended any differently if he had thrown the kitchen sink at the game from the subs bench.
 

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The difference is how ETH has changed our style of play. We are moving to a pressing and possession type of football.

Ole and Jose didn't really do much for our style of football.

LVG did, and improved our possession but couldn't take the next step.

Point is for me performances are what matter, results and trophies follow.
Are we becoming a possession team though? Because most times I watch we seen to press and counter attack. It is early days though and I don't watch as much as I used to.
Does the data support a better press/possession style? I know we're high with counter press
 

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Are we becoming a possession team though? Because most times I watch we seen to press and counter attack. It is early days though and I don't watch as much as I used to.
Does the data support a better press/possession style? I know we're high with counter press
From my eye test and not checking stats, it feels like we've played a possession based system with quick ball retention against most teams, whereas in the big/difficult games we've reverted to a counter attacking style because we're not good enough in possession and retention compared to the others yet (ex: City, Arsenal, etc.).
 

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Are we becoming a possession team though? Because most times I watch we seen to press and counter attack. It is early days though and I don't watch as much as I used to.
Does the data support a better press/possession style? I know we're high with counter press
Ten Hag definitely wants to evolve us to a possession based team. The word possession is deceiving though, he wants us to be more controlling in games, not have possession for the sake of it.

Possession based teams generally are the best counter pressing teams too, you cant be one without the other.

There are many reasons why we are not looking like a proper possession team yet.

1. We have a game every few days, Ten Hag cannot work much on the training ground
2. We dont have the players in all positions, AWB, McTominay, Wout cannot play that, we need better players in those positions.
3. Our misfiring attack, we are struggling for goals so when we get a goal we seem to then stop playing and protect.

I feel over time, it will come.
 

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Are we becoming a possession team though? Because most times I watch we seen to press and counter attack. It is early days though and I don't watch as much as I used to.
Does the data support a better press/possession style? I know we're high with counter press
We have a lower possession % than last season so far. Still very much a counter attacking team for me.
 

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We have a lower possession % than last season so far. Still very much a counter attacking team for me.
I don't think being a possession based team is only about the % of possession, it's more about the style when you do have the ball. Even against Arsenal, where we had less possession than them, in the first half when we did have the ball there were real attempts to pass it around, build patiently, and wait for holes to open up. That would never happened under previous management.
 

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I noticed that too. Also, it’s bizarre to see a manager of Man Utd go so defensive against Arsenal to the point of play acting and timewasting.

Growing up in the Fergie era, if Man Utd were drawing 2-2 with Arsenal it would have been United pushing for the last minute winner not Arsenal.
Not sure if serious.
 

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I don't think being a possession based team is only about the % of possession, it's more about the style when you do have the ball. Even against Arsenal, where we had less possession than them, in the first half when we did have the ball there were real attempts to pass it around, build patiently, and wait for holes to open up. That would never happened under previous management.
Thank you for that. Very good explanation.

That first half showed us how far we've come. We went toe to toe. Played around their press and in fact they didn't press as much as usual, gave us too much respect tbh.
 

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I am just scared about new takeover and how new owners might go for some new "instant success" manager and will not have patience for Ten Hags long term process.
There's no better manager available in the market. No sane new owner would consider replacing ETH. Not only is he doing great on the pitch, but also he's someone who clearly works well with those above him. I'm not worried at all in that regard.
 

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I noticed that too. Also, it’s bizarre to see a manager of Man Utd go so defensive against Arsenal to the point of play acting and timewasting.

Growing up in the Fergie era, if Man Utd were drawing 2-2 with Arsenal it would have been United pushing for the last minute winner not Arsenal.
I put a lot of that down to the Palace fixture. Said to my Arsenal mates before the game that we'll live with you for an hour and then fade because of fatigue. We'd have needed to be 2 up after an hour to be confident of winning that game. The time-wasting you refer to is simply game management to handle a much fresher opponent, and it almost worked
 

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I noticed that too. Also, it’s bizarre to see a manager of Man Utd go so defensive against Arsenal to the point of play acting and timewasting.

Growing up in the Fergie era, if Man Utd were drawing 2-2 with Arsenal it would have been United pushing for the last minute winner not Arsenal.
There were plenty of games during the SAF era that we went into hang in for the draw mode. In fact Sir Alex tended to have the mentality of win your home games, draw big away games, bear the bottom half away. We would often go quite defensive away. Rewriting history to claim otherwise.
 

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Thank God we went for Ten Hag and not Poch. This fella is turning this tanker around.

Yes it was 'only' Forest. However, we've had semi's where we've played the occasion not the opponent. Ten Hag didn't let that happen.

You can tell, just from the way he approaches games, that he's a coach who's used to winning trophies. A coach accustomed to having to set up his team and motivate them to do it when it matters. A coach who is used to be involved in what happens in April and May.

Such a shame that he did not inherit a better squad and set up. You think about some of our bad results this season. How much different things could be if we'd have sent him into the year with, at least half, the tools needed for the job.
 

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Wow, I have just seen our fixtures in February. We play Barcelona on the 16th followed by leicester on the 19th (2 o clock kick off) then Barca again on the 23rd followed by (potentially) the final on the 26th. That’s ridiculous and the lack of signings made this transfer window could really harm our chances. I trust in ETH but that is ridiculous and an unfair advantage to newcastle in the final. They will be fresh and we’ll be exhausted.
 

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I remember feeling gutted last year that we hadn’t got Conte. Feck me, I’m so relieved now.
 

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I think someone has told him about the whole saying “please” instead of thank you thing at the end of interviews :lol: he says “you’re welcome” now.
 

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I think someone has told him about the whole saying “please” instead of thank you thing at the end of interviews :lol: he says “you’re welcome” now.
I've noticed that. Maybe he saw that montage that was doing the rounds :lol:.
 

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Ten Hag definitely wants to evolve us to a possession based team. The word possession is deceiving though, he wants us to be more controlling in games, not have possession for the sake of it.

Possession based teams generally are the best counter pressing teams too, you cant be one without the other.

There are many reasons why we are not looking like a proper possession team yet.

1. We have a game every few days, Ten Hag cannot work much on the training ground
2. We dont have the players in all positions, AWB, McTominay, Wout cannot play that, we need better players in those positions.
3. Our misfiring attack, we are struggling for goals so when we get a goal we seem to then stop playing and protect.

I feel over time, it will come.
Also this system demands a level of intensity that is in a different stratosphere from what the players have been used to over the last few years. We've seen what it looks like when it comes together, but it's still going to take a little more time for them to be able keep those levels up more consistently throughout a game.
 

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He looked frustrated at some of our plays which is good to see. It was clear he was upset the way we played against Arsenal and even Palace. I feel more than fatigue our performance in both the games seemed very lethargic. I seriously wish we made some signings. The time we really needed more the owners have fecked us once again.
 
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He has pretty much delivered top four and a Wembley final in his first year which is an excellent return. Fixture pile up could be an issue but I have faith in him to manage it. Expect a bit of rotation in the four home games coming up.
 
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