We scored 56 goals after 37 games in EPL
This is just pure bilge at this stage. Makes no sense in the context of what was originally discussed, has totally confused what point both of us were making, and I suggest you call it a day.
That’s a pretty insane stat that, no wonder we looked absolutely dead on our feet and have only picked up again recently after the cup matches stopped.
Have a look at Bruno for example, you can see he is running on empty. Luckily, there is no international competition this summer and all our players will come back refreshed.
Goals matters not, points matter and your arguing a 32/1 shot here man.
How many times does it happen that 2 top 4 teams - one of them even being title challengers for the last couple of years to have such bad seasons?
It is crazy that some people really thought that when you clearly see players and the team growing under Ten Hag.
Chelsea haven’t made 75 points for 7 years, what’s your point? If they suddenly became really good again in the same year Arsenal suddenly became really good again we’d be 5th?
Possibly because timber is very good in progressing the ball and playing from the back when being pressed, it’s also having timber means he can cover two positions (CB and RB), which means we can sell maguire and one right back without buying two players as replacement. But we also need a ball playing keeper.
Not only that, we've looked a lot slicker in our passing and general build up play. It's exciting to see what Ten Hag can do with a more manageable schedule next season as well as pre-season.
Hear, hear.
The differences in opinion are because it has been a really strange season.
I agree. I would go as far as to suggest that this remains the main reason for someone to still have reservations about the project or to be mildly concerned. Not the drama and the agenda driven posts from people who would drink the piss of two specific previous managers and they would try to convince you it's the finest beer they've ever tasted. But i feel there's a discussion to be had about our progress and how we're going to move forward, and some posters who raise some interesting points.
Almost all metrics? We had more shots we scored more goals, created more chances and their goalkeeper made more saves.
Why did you ignore everything he just said?
I think it's whatever metric allows them to moan the most.
I think we have to ask ourselves why are some so-called United fans trying so hard to argue that we haven't had a disproportionately packed schedule compared to all of our rivals apart from City, who have still played a few less than us? I mean, it is like arguing that black is white to try to say that all those extra miles run, all those days spent in recovery rather than out on the training pitch, all those additional injuries, do not make a significant difference. Why would United fans tie themselves in knots trying to argue this? I can only conclude that they are either oppo fans in disguise, or fans who cared more about one of our ex-managers than they do about the club.
It’s absolutely bizarre, he’s using an example to show us being lucky, despite the statistics over 32 seasons showing that scenario would actually make us one of the most unlucky teams ever in the league.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, not sure which metrics they dominated except Possession.
Good post. We barely had a mid-week break, on top of that Ronaldo saga for half season, Martial ever injured and Weghorst leading the line. Considering all that this was very good season.
Excellent post. In your scenario Frimpong wouldn't work though as the RB.I believe we don’t just sign Mount but also we might sign rabiot.
And if we sign Mason Mount, I believe there will be changing of tactic next season. And this is mainly because ten Hag and the scouting teams couldn’t find a deep-playmaker that has similar profile as FDJ (Someone with press resistance who can be ball carrier and progressive passer). Instead of playing with 4231 double pivot, ETH might play 433 with one no 6 and two no 8. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is when Ajax had the possession and start their build up play vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase to progress the ball. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this and if ETH uses this same system then we will rely on those 6 positions to retain possession or recycle the ball. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GK
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Bruno and Mount will play in Berghuis and Gravenberch role. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers. Mount will be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
Yeah I don’t think Frimpong is suitable with the inverted right back role.
Re: De Gea - maybe people are just getting caught up in all of the talk about his distribution. Its a problem, yes, but it isn't the disaster train so many have jumped on
Could be interesting, I think Timber fits that inverted RB role perfectly despite not actually playing it in that Ajax team.
It's a dirty word on here for some reason, but there are a lot of glory hunters in our fanbase. They chose United because we were the best, and they support winning more than they do United. They'll never be happy until we are dominant, because that's what they signed up to.
Find me a supporter of any club who doesn't want their club to improve. Whether the club is at the top or the bottom every supporter on every message board discusses ways to improve the team.
Incisive analysis. Obviously, most other fanbases are made of people supporting their clubs because of their moral values and ability to win ethical arguments.
What you've just described isn't the target audience of my post. It's the relentless moaners and the ones who search for faults to be annoyed about. There are many of them on here. It's pretty obvious to separate the ones who are bitter about the fact we aren't the dominant team anymore
Agreed.
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That's why I separate people in to 2 groups, fans and supporters, the latter, as a general rule are supportive and critical in a constructive way, nothing wrong with that
To be fair I'm not sure possession was the major concern against Chelsea. Countering worked. It was how easily we were letting them progress into dangerous situations with little pressure on the ball in the first half. I wouldn't say we were fortunate in that half because ultimately chance conversion isn't luck, but it was concerning from a defensive point of view. But if we are to criticise that it's only fair to praise the manager for addressing it at half time.
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How does it make it any difference when we did put in 72 and maybe 75. 75 points on any season would mean top 4 is a guarantee, doesn't matter how good or bad other teams are. If Liverpool were good that would have meant Arsenal or Newcastle could have suffered.
Hahahaha. Fecking destroyed him there.
what respect is due?
That's not right.
Let's see if you reply to this.
almost all metrics apart from the only one that actually matters!