Indeed, they were 8th for a reason, before the previous manager fecked up the team and was sacked during the season, not because of Klopp.Ole took us to several cup finals and smacked Pep's City multiple times. The league is what people care about. They were 8th for a reason.
Anyway, I'm surprised that the point is this contentious. I don't expect us to play like peak Ajax from day one - even with the pre-season. It'll take time.