Desert Eagle
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We'd be lucky if both make 10 appearances combined from now till the end of the season. Expect nothing from both, if we're lucky we might get a couple good games each.
Eriksen not much at all because by then I doubt the manager would wanna play him that much and we'd be in the most important games of the seasonMartial should be back for the final and Eriksen in 4/5 weeks.
What difference to the run in can the two make?
Feels like we’ve yet to really see a full strength squad this season. One comes back, another drops out.
When you look at getting these two back, along with the return of Sancho and the additions of Sabitzer and Weghorst, you have to say we do have an interesting variety of options across the pitch.
Another stupid about Martial on the caf. What does it take for people to stop peddling myth about our players?Martial is out.
ETH is not that stupid to put THIS TEAM in chance of Martial mood.
Martial is out.
ETH is not that stupid to put THIS TEAM in chance of Martial mood.
imagine how annoying it is when he went to another club and instantly plays 30+ match a season. Basically what Saha didDon't even think it's "drive" or whatever as he's had brilliant seasons here before. He's just genuinely crocked physically. Basically the Phil Jones of strikers
Eriksen... Well that is a mystery. We don't seem to struggle in midfield, we seem stronger in second half as well. Actually he would make us more suspect defensively in the last 5 games (as they were all very intense). But we will miss him against weaker teams.
I am a bit surprised how well we're doing without Eriksen.
Weird lack of appreciation on the caf for Eriksen.
Well it's all speculation isn't it? That's the point of commenting here. I've seen teams running around Eriksen easily, what Fred gives us is that more secure midfield. We lose something else that only Eriksen offers on the ball, but still we've not been struggling for goals lately.That’s a lazy interpretation and something you cant know for sure.
Could also go the other way with him being better than Sabitzer.
This is nonsense actually.Fred's a good option off the bench. If eriksens fit, he starts over Fred.
Hilarious this is even being debated. Fred's been terrible up until the 2nd half today and suddenly he's a better option than eriksen. Nonsense.
Genuine question. Do we eliminate Barcelona if it was Eriksen instead of Fred in both legs?
Well it's all speculation isn't it? That's the point of commenting here. I've seen teams running around Eriksen easily, what Fred gives us is that more secure midfield. We lose something else that only Eriksen offers on the ball, but still we've not been struggling for goals lately.
I don't get the Sabitzer comment. Sabitzer played DM so far for us. We don't even know how good he is in Eriksen position.
It's not bashing Eriksen, just recognising Fred stepped up and he's been doing really well job when paired with Casemiro.
They play the same position though, Bruno and McTominay don't, so you can definitely make a direct comparison, and Martial is light-years ahead of Woutthey arent the same player at all, no point in comparing them. Its like saying Bruno is far better than McTominay.
You seem to be very defensive with all this "it's not certain", "theoretical scenarios" - I don't see why, it's not like I'm bashing Eriksen here am I? Do I need to add to every post that I rate him very high on the ball and he's been crucial to our success this season?But among the 5 games you refer to wasnt with Fred next to Casemiro for the league games. It was a Fred that got run over by Leeds and couldnt put a foot right in many moments. Sabitzer did okay, but not much suggests Eriksen would be worse. So if we’re gonna speculate at least do it with nuances and not based on two great halves against Barcelona.
Eriksen would also move Wout out probably and then we’d probably hold on to position more / play faster, but no one can say these things with certainty. That’s my hatch. A lot of people just claims these things with certainty over Eriksen. He’s been great this season, so why the need to conclude all sort of doomsday theoretical scenarios with him?
Martial isn't even reliable on the rare occasions when he's fit. I wouldn't be banking on anything from him after weeks out.
He claimed in an interview in France that he played for 3-4 months under Ole under injury - to the point where he couldn’t sprint properly. That then led to his massive spike downward in form, and why he ended up on loanIsn't the issue with Martial that he had some injury under Ole that didn't get treated or was misdiagnosed which has resulted in him being a crock when on loan and since coming back?
I'm sure I read that this continuous breaking down was linked to something from then.
Fred has been terrible up until the 2nd half of today's game?! C'mon.. I know we all have our preconceived ideas and biases that we struggle to overcome, but you're being silly.Fred's a good option off the bench. If eriksens fit, he starts over Fred.
Hilarious this is even being debated. Fred's been terrible up until the 2nd half today and suddenly he's a better option than eriksen. Nonsense.
Ouch. If true (and it's not just Martial trying to reapportion responsibility for his own ailing body), that's a seriously damaging indictment of Ole as manager and as a custodian of these young players. You can accept tactical and man management deficiencies, but forcing players into dodgy physical situations by forcing them to play through injury is significant negligence. Something similar was said of Rashford during Ole's time here, but it's very difficult to know as surely the players themselves are pushing to play, medical team will sign off etc. Sad situation, though, as Martial could have been something special (saying that his lack of application has always been a mark against him as well, which has little to do with injury).He claimed in an interview in France that he played for 3-4 months under Ole under injury - to the point where he couldn’t sprint properly. That then led to his massive spike downward in form, and why he ended up on loan
You're giving him too much credit. He'll be out after half a game.Problem is martial will be injured again after 2 matches
Martial should be back for the final
This season has been really frustrating for him, apparently he looked really sharp in pre-season and although he probably was never going to be reliable enough to be the long-term option he could have had a big season for us (I thought he was great when he came on against Liverpool). We're coming up to March and he's not yet played 10 league games, even if he gets fit now he's playing catch up in terms of sharpness but at least having another option could be useful given how congested our schedule will continue to be.The Europa League final?
I’d take a one-legged Tony over Wout any day of the week and twice on (final day) Sunday.
Well if we ever need a makeshift CB I'd rather have McTominay over Bruno there. But that's about it.Yes of course Bruno and McTominay "different players", but there's nothing that McTominay does or can possibly ever do that comes anywhere close to what Bruno does on a regular basis."
Well if we ever need a makeshift CB I'd rather have McTominay over Bruno there. But that's about it.
From what Martial said, he was ok with playing through the injury as the team needed him. But when he was struggling to do so and his form was plummeting, he felt like Ole left him out to dry and didn't defend him and state that he was playing through injury. The fans and media just turned on him and said he was terrible and lazy, not knowing there was a reason he was struggling and that he was doing the best he could at the time.Ouch. If true (and it's not just Martial trying to reapportion responsibility for his own ailing body), that's a seriously damaging indictment of Ole as manager and as a custodian of these young players. You can accept tactical and man management deficiencies, but forcing players into dodgy physical situations by forcing them to play through injury is significant negligence. Something similar was said of Rashford during Ole's time here, but it's very difficult to know as surely the players themselves are pushing to play, medical team will sign off etc. Sad situation, though, as Martial could have been something special (saying that his lack of application has always been a mark against him as well, which has little to do with injury).
They play the same position though, Bruno and McTominay don't, so you can definitely make a direct comparison, and Martial is light-years ahead of Wout
Weird lack of appreciation on the caf for Eriksen.
Right now and for the past 2 full seasons at least, Martial and Wout have been primarily CFs, that's their position. Martial might have been a LW in the past but those days are long gone.They don't really though do they? Martial for most of his career has been on the left. They both can play centre forward yes but so can Rashford however they are different players for different systems and in no way comparable.
Right now and for the past 2 full seasons at least, Martial and Wout have been primarily CFs, that's their position. Martial might have been a LW in the past but those days are long gone.
The way they approach the game may be different, but they play the same position. And if that's the case, they can definitely be compared holistically in terms of what they give the team as strikers.
It's a simple Q, who is the better CF between Wout and Martial?
Read this as Martial being available for the Europa final for a minute!!
Thought that was a pretty bleak prediction of when he'll be back, though you wouldn't be that surprised.
But did think it was a bit presumptuous bearing in mind we're still about 12 rounds off the final.
Unnecessary juvenile tone there. It always intrigues me how folks quickly descend to snide comments and insults because of a frankly mild debate.Sigh okay tiny brain. Player A is better than player W. Good for you..heres a cookie.