Erling Haaland

[UTD_Since_1978]

No idea why, but apparently he is on tonight with Carragher. Maybe an interview? Maybe on to be a pundit? All I know is I will be tuning in.

Hmmm...biggest hint ever that he will be coming to the EPL next season?

Good job it ain't a City game otherwise people would definitely be putting 1+1 together, wouldn't they?

I can just picture it now.

SKY Presenter: So, Erling, who will you be playing for next season?

Erling: Well, you know, the Premier League is the best league in the world, so I will be coming here.

SKY Presenter: Ok, but which team?

Erling: Well, I've spoken with Ole & Ralf Rangnick, so there's only one team for me & I look forward to playing alongside the great Ronaldo & my old Dortmund mate Sancho at Manchester United next season.

 

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So Carragher has been talking bullshit.

 

[Pscholes18]

How much is his buyout clause and how does a buyout clause work?

 

[Matriac]

How much is his buyout clause and how does a buyout clause work?

It's supposedly €75m, but it's reported that it may increase if certain targets are met. What those are is unknown. But probably something tied to how well he and the team does.

Legally speaking buyout clauses work a bit different depending on country they originate in. But in essence it's a price agreed up in writing, that if a club offers that price then the selling club cannot refuse to sell the player (but the player can turn the buying club down).

So no club will need to pay Dortmund more than the buyout clause, and will instead increase the total package to the player in form of salary and sign-on bonus (so the total still approaches market value) to convince him to choose them over the other clubs.

 

[Sky1981]

This is a win win no lose for dortmund

50 goals players
50m guaranteed profit

Beats 0.

We should have taken the deals first and work harder behind the screen to convice him to sign long term for us. But ship has sailed, he'll demand 300-400k / week for his next club

 

[RedRonaldo]

His predecessor only score pittance against more or less the same opponent.

Still outstanding I'd say. Even kane dont get that much playing for england against minnows

Sure he is better than his predecessor. But only if that’s the level he is being compared with, then yes he is outstanding among that mid tier level of strikers. But among the top level, he is nothing special at international stage yet.

 

[Pscholes18]

It's supposedly €75m, but it's reported that it may increase if certain targets are met. What those are is unknown. But probably something tied to how well he and the team does.

Legally speaking buyout clauses work a bit different depending on country they originate in. But in essence it's a price agreed up in writing, that if a club offers that price then the selling club cannot refuse to sell the player (but the player can turn the buying club down).

So no club will need to pay Dortmund more than the buyout clause, and will instead increase the total package to the player in form of salary and sign-on bonus (so the total still approaches market value) to convince him to choose them over the other clubs.

Okay so at midnight on the day his clause kicks in Utd can pay Dortmund thr fee and they automatically get to negotiate with Haaland to sign for Utd? ButcHaaland can refuse to sign with us? Would Utd get the money back?

 

[non profit football]

He's a beast.

It always scared me to see something of Ibra in his behavior and especially Raiola as his agent.

Good luck to the club that buys Haaland for 200 million plus 40 or 60 a year in salaries and bonuses.

Goals will come just like a moon-sized ego and Mino Raiola every day.

 

[roonster09]

Sure he is better than his predecessor. But only if that’s the level he is being compared with, then yes he is outstanding among that mid tier level of strikers. But among the top level, he is nothing special at international stage yet.

Who is the predecessor? Is it John Carew?

 

[RedRonaldo]

Who is the predecessor? Is it John Carew?

Currently it’s King who has 17 goals in 57 games, and Sorloth who has 12 goals in 36 games.

Previously his predecessor are Carew (24 goals in 91 games), and Iversen (21 goals in 79 games).

And way back it’s Ole (23 goals in 91 games) and Flo (23 goals in 76 games).

So yeah, he is outstanding (12 goals in 15 games over 3 years) if compared to those strikers. But those aren’t exactly top strikers at their time though. By this current rate (avg around 5 goals per year), he has a very high chance of becoming Norway all time top scorer in future (current holder has 33 goals), and perhaps even getting near to Lukaku numbers (68 goals) in 10-12 years time. Who knows, if he is lucky with injuries and remain consistent over next decade, maybe he would even have Lewandowski kind of international career (74 goals in 128 games) when he retired. That would be truly outstanding, but he hasn’t done it yet, so it’s still abit too early to judge.

 

[Marcus]

Okay so at midnight on the day his clause kicks in Utd can pay Dortmund thr fee and they automatically get to negotiate with Haaland to sign for Utd? ButcHaaland can refuse to sign with us? Would Utd get the money back?

Not sure if serious. I am pretty sure it is more of an agreement to pay Dortmund the fee rather than transferring the funds to them. In case, for instance, Haaland decides not to play for us or fails his medical.

 

[stefan92]

Okay so at midnight on the day his clause kicks in Utd can pay Dortmund thr fee and they automatically get to negotiate with Haaland to sign for Utd? ButcHaaland can refuse to sign with us? Would Utd get the money back?

You would negotiate with Haaland first and then pay the money to Dortmund once you have an agreement with him.

Mario Götze's move from Dortmund to Bayern happened that way, the money just appeared on Dortmund's bank account and he told them to their surprise he is leaving. Dortmund's board was allegedly furious about this.

 

[horsechoker]

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So Carragher has been talking bullshit.

Should Carragher be put in jail?

 

[The Urban Goose]

Should Carragher be put in jail?

Of course he should, he's scouse.

 

[troylocker]

Currently it’s King who has 17 goals in 57 games, and Sorloth who has 12 goals in 36 games.

Previously his predecessor are Carew (24 goals in 91 games), and Iversen (21 goals in 79 games).

And way back it’s Ole (23 goals in 91 games) and Flo (23 goals in 76 games).

So yeah, he is outstanding (12 goals in 15 games over 3 years) if compared to those strikers. But those aren’t exactly top strikers at their time though. By this current rate (avg around 5 goals per year), he has a very high chance of becoming Norway all time top scorer in future (current holder has 33 goals), and perhaps even getting near to Lukaku numbers (68 goals) in 10-12 years time. Who knows, if he is lucky with injuries and remain consistent over next decade, maybe he would even have Lewandowski kind of international career (74 goals in 128 games) when he retired. That would be truly outstanding, but he hasn’t done it yet, so it’s still abit too early to judge.

All his predecessors have scored at a 1 in 3 ratio or worse, Haaland has so far scored at a 4 in 5 ratio. So more than double the ratio of the closest predecessor. Norway's national team does not deliver the same working conditions as the greater nations does for their strikers.

Let's compare his NT record with Englands' pride, Harry Kane, and our own GOAT, Cristiano. I think it is fair to claim that Kane and Ronaldo has better working conditions in all the categories below:

Kane for England (ranked 4 in the world):

Against top 50 nations:

42 games, 18 goals (5 penalties) and 3 assists.
0,43 goals/game
0,31 non-penalty goals/game
0,38 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Against top 15 nations:

24 games, 6 goals (1 penalty) and 3 assists
0,25 goals/game
0,21 non-penalty goals/game
0,33 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Against nations outside top 50 in the world playing for a powerhouse nation:

25 games, 30 goals (8 penalties) and 11assists
1,2 goals/game
0,88 non-penalty goals/game
1,32 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Kane has a fabulous record of knocking them in against weaker opponents though.......just like other big stars:

CR7 for Portugal (ranked 8 in the world) against top 15 nations:

53 games, 21 goals (3 penalties) and 11 assists
0,40 goals/game
0,34 non-penalty goals/game
0,55 non-penalty goals+assists/game

CR7 for Portugal against top 50 nations:

123 games, 60 goals (5 penalties) and 23 assists
0,49 goals/game
0,45 non-penalty goals/game
0,63 non-penalty goals+assists/game

CR7 against nations outside top 50 in the world:

61 games, 55 goals (11 penalties) and 18 assists
0,9 goals/game
0,72 non-penalty goals/game
1,02 non-penalty goals+assists/game


Haaland for Norway (ranked 41 in the world):

Against top 50 nations:

7 games, 5 goals (0 penalties)
0,71 non-penalty goals/game

Against top 15 nations:

1 game, 1 goal
1,0 non-penalty/game

Against nations outside top 50 in the world:

8 games, 7 goals (1 penalty) and 1 assist
0,88 goals/game
0,75 non-penalty goals/game
0,88 non-penalty goals+assists/game


The "only does it against weaker opponents" doesn't hold any truth for Haaland. He scores more than the greats against strong opponents playing for a weaker team.

It is still a very small sample size for Haaland of course, but who would you say has the best goalscoring ratio of Haaland and the other 2 against good opponents?
.....and who has the bigger tendency of doing it against weaker opponents (playing for power house nations)?

This 5 goals a year thing also doesn't stand. His debut was 26 months ago. He's missed 10 of Norway's matches since then because of covid-restrictions and injuries. He played 80 minutes in his first 12 months of NT football. The last 16 months he's scored 12 goals in 13 matches, which is pretty damn good for a 20/21 year old playing for a national team like Norway. If you can find examples of players scoring at that ratio at that age for their national teams in football history, please find them and give me examples other than Pele or Puskas (both playing for the best teams in world at the time). R9 scored 20 in 24 games in 96/97 including 4 penalties playing for #1 Brazil.
It's not comparable with what Kane has done for England (4th in the world) against Andorra, San Marino, Lithuania, Albania or even Hungary and Poland. England scored 39 goals in their 10 games in the WC-Q-group, Norway scored 15 in theirs including games against a top 10 nation. Put Haaland in any top 10 NT and you would see a much better output.

 

[troylocker]

Stop quoting stats...talk about what you have seen...his performances...I have seen about 6 or seven Norway games in which he has played...imo he is not looking as formidable at international level ... forget goals as the only metric. If you have watched him he doesnt seem to be an integral part of Norway’s jigsaw and his profile in word football suggests he would be. He is doing amazing for a 19 year old...but he isn’t just any 19 year old...he is being quoted as being worth €150 million...therefore one would expect him to be smashing it at international level and he isn’t...that may have to do with the way Norway play not being concerned with attacking first etc.

The last 2 young players going for north of 100M:

Dembele: 2 goals in his first 21 NT matches (for top reigning World Champs)
Joao Felix: 3 goals in 20 NT matches for (2016 European champions)

Mbappe (180M):
Up untill before his last 4 games: 17 goals in 49 games for the reigning world champs.

The only players in football history with similar output goals/game ratios for their national teams at this age (20-21) is Puskas (Hungary averaged 4 goals a game in the late 40's) and Pele (Brazil averaged 3 goals a game from 57-62). Both played for a top 3 in the world team at the given time. Norway has averaged 1,93 goals a game the 15 games he's played and is currently ranked 41 in the world, with Haaland being directly involved (scored or assisted) in 50% of the goals Norway has scored in the last 13 games he's played (he played 80 minutes total in his first 2 matches)
Why downplay it. You said in your last post that you had watched him once or twice, now you say you have seen him 6 or 7 times....I've watched 90% of the matches (100+) he's played for club and country since 2018. If he stays injury free, he will smash every goalscoring record there is, no matter where he goes next.

 

[RedRonaldo]

All his predecessors have scored at a 1 in 3 ratio or worse, Haaland has so far scored at a 4 in 5 ratio. So more than double the ratio of the closest predecessor. Norway's national team does not deliver the same working conditions as the greater nations does for their strikers.

Let's compare his NT record with Englands' pride, Harry Kane, and our own GOAT, Cristiano. I think it is fair to claim that Kane and Ronaldo has better working conditions in all the categories below:

Kane for England (ranked 4 in the world):

Against top 50 nations:

42 games, 18 goals (5 penalties) and 3 assists.
0,43 goals/game
0,31 non-penalty goals/game
0,38 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Against top 15 nations:

24 games, 6 goals (1 penalty) and 3 assists
0,25 goals/game
0,21 non-penalty goals/game
0,33 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Against nations outside top 50 in the world playing for a powerhouse nation:

25 games, 30 goals (8 penalties) and 11assists
1,2 goals/game
0,88 non-penalty goals/game
1,32 non-penalty goals+assists/game

Kane has a fabulous record of knocking them in against weaker opponents though.......just like other big stars:

CR7 for Portugal (ranked 8 in the world) against top 15 nations:

53 games, 21 goals (3 penalties) and 11 assists
0,40 goals/game
0,34 non-penalty goals/game
0,55 non-penalty goals+assists/game

CR7 for Portugal against top 50 nations:

123 games, 60 goals (5 penalties) and 23 assists
0,49 goals/game
0,45 non-penalty goals/game
0,63 non-penalty goals+assists/game

CR7 against nations outside top 50 in the world:

61 games, 55 goals (11 penalties) and 18 assists
0,9 goals/game
0,72 non-penalty goals/game
1,02 non-penalty goals+assists/game


Haaland for Norway (ranked 41 in the world):

Against top 50 nations:

7 games, 5 goals (0 penalties)
0,71 non-penalty goals/game

Against top 15 nations:

1 game, 1 goal
1,0 non-penalty/game

Against nations outside top 50 in the world:

8 games, 7 goals (1 penalty) and 1 assist
0,88 goals/game
0,75 non-penalty goals/game
0,88 non-penalty goals+assists/game


The "only does it against weaker opponents" doesn't hold any truth for Haaland. He scores more than the greats against strong opponents playing for a weaker team.

It is still a very small sample size for Haaland of course, but who would you say has the best goalscoring ratio of Haaland and the other 2 against good opponents?
.....and who has the bigger tendency of doing it against weaker opponents (playing for power house nations)?

This 5 goals a year thing also doesn't stand. His debut was 26 months ago. He's missed 10 of Norway's matches since then because of covid-restrictions and injuries. He played 80 minutes in his first 12 months of NT football. The last 16 months he's scored 12 goals in 13 matches, which is pretty damn good for a 20/21 year old playing for a national team like Norway. If you can find examples of players scoring at that ratio at that age for their national teams in football history, please find them and give me examples other than Pele or Puskas (both playing for the best teams in world at the time). R9 scored 20 in 24 games in 96/97 including 4 penalties playing for #1 Brazil.
It's not comparable with what Kane has done for England (4th in the world) against Andorra, San Marino, Lithuania, Albania or even Hungary and Poland. England scored 39 goals in their 10 games in the WC-Q-group, Norway scored 15 in theirs including games against a top 10 nation. Put Haaland in any top 10 NT and you would see a much better output.

Yeh I think we need to understand that the sample size is too small for Haaland to make any valid comparison with others you've listed above. For example, 25% of his goals are scored against opponents outside of top 200 nation. So there's nothing you could draw conclusive from that.

But its still early times though, lets wait and see how he does in future. If he gets Lewandowski kind of international career, it would be considered huge success for him, since Norway is only currently ranked at 41.

Its like, if a young player has scored 5 goals in 7 games over past 3 years, and 2 of them are scored against opponent outside top 200 nation, and another 2 are against nation outside of top 50, would you compare him with Haaland? As ratio is similar, and there must have been handful of Asian players scoring that kind of ratio too, if you get what I mean.

 

[troylocker]

Yeh I think we need to understand that the sample size is too small for Haaland to make any valid comparison with others you've listed above. For example, 25% of his goals are scored against opponents outside of top 200 nation. So there's nothing you could draw conclusive from that.

But its still early times though, lets wait and see how he does in future. If he gets Lewandowski kind of international career, it would be considered huge success for him, since Norway is only currently ranked at 41.

Its like, if a young player has scored 5 goals in 7 games over past 3 years, and 2 of them are scored against opponent outside top 200 nation, and another 2 are against nation outside of top 50, would you compare him with Haaland? As ratio is similar, and there must have been handful of Asian players scoring that kind of ratio too, if you get what I mean.

Here is why every top club in Europe wants him. This is a table over career goalcontribution % of club and NT total non penalty goals in football history (including numbers for all the GOATs).

https://www.bigsoccer.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7quoQaL.png&hash=b6a4b3d59fa8bc31576439e437965669

Haaland is one of only 3 players with above 50%, second only to Pelê. The scary thing is that he's 21 years old, is still far from the finished article and will only get better. If the numbers didn't include his Molde period, he would be top of the list by some margin.
If he avoids serious injury there is no way he doesn't end up on top of that list. We have never seen anything like this in modern football.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Here is why every top club in Europe wants him. This is a table over career goalcontribution % of club and NT total non penalty goals in football history (including numbers for all the GOATs).

https://www.bigsoccer.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7quoQaL.png&hash=b6a4b3d59fa8bc31576439e437965669

Haaland is one of only 3 players with above 50%, second only to Pelê. The scary thing is that he's 21 years old, is still far from the finished article and will only get better. If the numbers didn't include his Molde period, he would be top of the list by some margin.
If he avoids serious injury there is no way he doesn't end up on top of that list. We have never seen anything like this in modern football.

Sure, he looks promising so far. But again, still too early to him. Brazil Ronaldo was even more impressive at this age, but injuries and later body weight issues changed the whole thing. Haaland already has a few injuries, not sure if he will become injury prone in future, which would affect his numbers. For example, this season in CL, he only has 1 goal, and Dortmund is already out. So the music stops there.

Also he has to move to bigger league first I think, in order to be compared equally with other elite goalscorer (they all score majority of their goals in top league). But if he stays in Germany, maybe he would become the next Lewandowski, which would be great too.

 

[georgipep]

Sure, he looks promising so far. But again, still too early to him. Brazil Ronaldo was even more impressive at this age, but injuries and later body weight issues changed the whole thing. Haaland already has a few injuries, not sure if he will become injury prone in future, which would affect his numbers. For example, this season in CL, he only has 1 goal, and Dortmund is already out. So the music stops there.

Also he has to move to bigger league first I think, in order to be compared equally with other elite goalscorer (they all score majority of their goals in top league). But if he stays in Germany, maybe he would become the next Lewandowski, which would be great too.

Was it too early to tell with Ronaldo?

Is it too early to tell with Mbappe?

Injuries have nothing to do with the evaluation of a player. Salah can get a nasty injury and never return to any resemblance of good form again. So what?

 

[troylocker]

Sure, he looks promising so far. But again, still too early to him. Brazil Ronaldo was even more impressive at this age, but injury and later body weight issues changed the whole thing. Haaland has to move to bigger league first I think, in order to be compared equally with other elite goalscorer. But if he stays in Germany, maybe he would become the next Lewandowski, which would be great too.

Promising? I agree that he needs to go to a better club and league in order to compete for Ballon D'ors and win big trophies, but he is already an elite level striker. For me he's the best striker in the world right now.

Look at the numbers and lists again, and you'll understand that Brazilian Ronaldo, even at his very, best didn't have this impact for his team. Ronaldo was a lot better than Haaland at a lot of things, but when it comes to scoring goals and assisting goals for your team, Haaland has a lot more impact than Ronaldo did. Unfortunately we never found out how good Ronaldo could have been without serious injuries, while it should be clear for anyone who watches Haaland that he still has potential to improve a lot in several areas of his game and most likely will just become better. His movement, finishing and physical presence is as good as I've ever seen in a player plus he seems to have elite football-IQ and mentality. I'm not saying that Haaland will ever become the most technically gifted player in the world, but there's a good chance he'll become the best or one of the best goalscorers and most dominant players in football. I think who ever signs him next will win a lot of trophies. I guess we'll find out.

Comparing Ronaldo's fantastic season at Barca with Haalands time at Dortmund:

Ronaldo 96/97 for Barca:
47 goals (6 penalties) and 17 assists in 4223 minutes for Barca (Barca scored an average of 2,317 non penalty goals per game in all competitions that season)
He contributed to 1,236 non-penalty goals per 90 and 53,34% of Barcas non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Haaland for Dortmund so far:
72 goals (6 penalties) and 19 assist in 5841 minutes for Dortmund (Dortmund scored on average 2,162 non-penalty goals per game in all competitions since he arrived)
He contributed to 1,31 non-penalty goals per 90 and 60,59% of Dortmunds non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Ronaldo from 96-99 was my all time favourite player to watch, but what Haaland is doing and the rate he is doing it at for Dortmund is even more crazy when it comes to numbers and impact. No one has ever been close to have this kind of impact on a teams output at this age in the history of football. It's fair to expect great things and make bold comparisons at this point.

Lewandowski the last 2 seasons (absolute peak):

Lewa 19/20 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,294 non-penalty goals per 90 and 44,27% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 20/21 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,281 non-penalty goals per 90 and 49,65% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 21/22 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,279 non-penalty goals per 90 and 38,02% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played

Haaland already contributes more and has more impact for Dortmund than peak Lewa has for Bayern.
Let's just hope that he avoids serious injuries in his career.

Any top club with ambitions to win the major trophies must do whatever it takes to get him next summer.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Was it too early to tell with Ronaldo?

Is it too early to tell with Mbappe?

Injuries have nothing to do with the evaluation of a player. Salah can get a nasty injury and never return to any resemblance of good form again. So what?

He hasn't really won anything yet has he? But some people here are already comparing him with Pele. Its too early to make such comparison.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Promising? I agree that he needs to go to a better club and league in order to compete for Ballon D'ors and win big trophies, but he is already an elite level striker. For me he's the best striker in the world right now.

Look at the numbers and lists again, and you'll understand that Brazilian Ronaldo, even at his very, best didn't have this impact for his team. Ronaldo was a lot better than Haaland at a lot of things, but when it comes to scoring goals and assisting goals for your team, Haaland has a lot more impact than Ronaldo did. Unfortunately we never found out how good Ronaldo could have been without serious injuries, while it should be clear for anyone who watches Haaland that he still has potential to improve a lot in several areas of his game and most likely will just become better. His movement, finishing and physical presence is as good as I've ever seen in a player plus he seems to have elite football-IQ and mentality. I'm not saying that Haaland will ever become the most technically gifted player in the world, but there's a good chance he'll become the best or one of the best goalscorers and most dominant players in football. I think who ever signs him next will win a lot of trophies. I guess we'll find out.

Comparing Ronaldo's fantastic season at Barca with Haalands time at Dortmund:

Ronaldo 96/97 for Barca:
47 goals (6 penalties) and 17 assists in 4223 minutes for Barca (Barca scored an average of 2,317 non penalty goals per game in all competitions that season)
He contributed to 1,236 non-penalty goals per 90 and 53,34% of Barcas non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Haaland for Dortmund so far:
72 goals (6 penalties) and 19 assist in 5841 minutes for Dortmund (Dortmund scored on average 2,162 non-penalty goals per game in all competitions since he arrived)
He contributed to 1,31 non-penalty goals per 90 and 60,59% of Dortmunds non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Ronaldo from 96-99 was my all time favourite player to watch, but what Haaland is doing and the rate he is doing it at for Dortmund is even more crazy when it comes to numbers and impact. No one has ever been close to have this kind of impact on a teams output at this age in the history of football. It's fair to expect great things and make bold comparisons at this point.

Lewandowski the last 2 seasons (absolute peak):

Lewa 19/20 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,294 non-penalty goals per 90 and 44,27% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 20/21 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,281 non-penalty goals per 90 and 49,65% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 21/22 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,279 non-penalty goals per 90 and 38,02% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played

Haaland already contributes more and has more impact for Dortmund than peak Lewa has for Bayern.
Let's just hope that he avoids serious injuries in his career.

Any top club with ambitions to win the major trophies must do whatever it takes to get him next summer.

I mean he looks promising he could become one of the elite goalscorer in history, among other past greats.

But then, at the same age, L.Ronaldo has already won Ballon D'or and European Golden Shoe, Haaland hasn't really won anything near to that level yet though. Maybe he is not far, but he is not there yet.

Sure he has been impressive in BL so far, but it wasn't even top 3 league in Europe, and of course the great Lewandowski has outscored him (and everyone) over past 2 seasons too.

He was absolutely outstanding in CL in last 2 seasons, but this season he only has 1 CL goal.

What I mean is, its really hard to predict the future at such early stage, but if he stay injury-free, he could have a great career ahead of him. But abit worrying sign is, he seems to be getting a few injuries.

 

[troylocker]

He hasn't really won anything yet has he? But some people here are already comparing him with Pele. Its too early to make such comparison.

He has a long way to go to be compared with the GOATs when it comes to careers, but his numbers and impact so far in his career does not stand back when comparing with anyone who has played the game at the same age.
No one in modern football has delivered similar numbers at this stage of their careers, hence the wild comparisons.

I mean he looks promising he could become one of the elite goalscorer in history, among other past greats.

But then, at the same age, L.Ronaldo has already won Ballon D'or and European Golden Shoe, Haaland hasn't really won anything near to that level yet though.

Sure he has been impressive in BL so far, but it wasn't even top 3 league in Europe, and of course the great Lewandowski has outscored him (and everyone) over past 2 seasons too.

He was absolutely outstanding in CL in last 2 seasosn, but this season he only has 1 CL goal.

What I mean is, its really hard to predict the future at such early stage, but if he stay injury-free, he could have a great career ahead of him.

Like I told you, I'm a huge fan of Ronaldo.
What he did for Barca was the sickest I had seen in football at the time (even topped Maradona for me). Winning that Ballon d'or without winning LaLiga or the Champions League while winning one of the easiest Copas ever (In group with Costa Rica, Mexico and Colombia, beating Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia in the KO-stages, with him scoring only 5 of Brazil's 22 goals in the tournament) and the least prestigous European Cup (the Cup winners cup) was special. A total freak of nature, just like Haaland. Haaland has different qualities than Ronaldo though, Ronaldo was more complete and had more tricks up his sleeve, but Haaland is an even sicker beast when it comes to goalscoring and assists and he has better finishing and is better off the ball.
Playing for Norway makes it a lot harder for him to win individual trophies though, compared to players playing for countries that can win trophies with their NTs.

Haaland has already scored 7 goals more in the CL than Ronaldo did in his careeer, in 22 games less!

 

[RUCK4444]

He has a long way to go to be compared with the GOATs when it comes to careers, but his numbers and impact so far in his career does not stand back when comparing with anyone who has played the game at the same age.
No one in modern football has delivered similar numbers at this stage of their careers, hence the wild comparisons.

Like I told you, I'm a huge fan of Ronaldo.
What he did for Barca was the sickest I had seen in football at the time (even topped Maradona for me). Winning that Ballon d'or without winning LaLiga or the Champions League while winning one of the easiest Copas ever (In group with Costa Rica, Mexico and Colombia, beating Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia in the KO-stages, with him scoring only 5 of Brazil's 22 goals in the tournament) and the least prestigous European Cup (the Cup winners cup) was special. A total freak of nature, just like Haaland. Haaland has different qualities than Ronaldo though, Ronaldo was more complete and had more tricks up his sleeve, but Haaland is an even sicker beast when it comes to goalscoring and assists and he has better finishing and is better off the ball.
Playing for Norway makes it a lot harder for him to win individual trophies though, compared to players playing for countries that can win trophies with their NTs.

Haaland has already scored 7 goals more in the CL than Ronaldo did in his careeer, in 22 games less!

The bolded is frightening.

 

[Bebestation]

If playing under Ten Hag and turning United back to the giants it used to be turns him on - and we add De Jong to our squad as has been hinted..

 

[Cassidy]

If playing under Ten Hag and turning United back to the giants it used to be turns him on - and we add De Jong to our squad as has been hinted..

Whats this about? What have I missed?

 

[georgipep]

He hasn't really won anything yet has he? But some people here are already comparing him with Pele. Its too early to make such comparison.

I think you are going above and beyond to deny that Haaland is one hell of a striker. And considering his age, it is even more amazing.
And the only comparisons with Pele that I've seen have been statistical.

 

[Bebestation]

Whats this about? What have I missed?

It's just pure guess work from transfer hints but still things I can't hold with peace.

Rangnick knows Haaland, but Haaland isn't going to come to United just to play under Rangnick. Rangnick is probably going to try get him either way but will probably have to give him a clue about who his next manager is because ultimately it will be Rangnick's choice anyway.

The main transfer Haaland seems likely to take is La Liga - but that league is looking exceptionally weak. Mbappe is linked with Madrid and if they do get Haaland it's might be to be in a striking partnership. I'm not exactly sure why that happens, especially when there are clubs like Man City and Man United that could use or want you anyway as the main striker. Are real Madrid really going tonget both Mbaple and Haaland? Seems a pick or choose decision.

Who knows, maybe he likes the idea of playing under Rangnick and then a new breed of manager in Ten Hag? Just guess work but still.

Then there's De Jong, not the most successful thing in Barcelona and has been seen in the bench sometimes recently. There was even a story (must be made up) - that we were offered Coutinho by Barcelona and then we asked about De Jong. Sounds fake but still, Ten Hag coming here is not exactly managing of Ajax - he has got to do things at a bigger standard and maybe some of these players end up with us to be a part of our plan back towards the top.

 

[Olmer]

Whoa, some creative use of stats there.
Haaland contributing this much for Dortmund's attack only means that he's a big fish in a small pond, where nobody else can score regularly. Nothing more. So don't get ahead of yourselves.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

This is a win win no lose for dortmund

50 goals players
50m guaranteed profit

Beats 0.

We should have taken the deals first and work harder behind the screen to convice him to sign long term for us. But ship has sailed, he'll demand 300-400k / week for his next club

Only if that is the only reason why Haaland didn't join Utd in the first place but i doubt it. His camp has been saying they pick BVB due to sporting reason. It is a no brainer deal for BVB.

 

[Hansi Fick]

It's just pure guess work from transfer hints but still things I can't hold with peace.

Rangnick knows Haaland, but Haaland isn't going to come to United just to play under Rangnick. Rangnick is probably going to try get him either way but will probably have to give him a clue about who his next manager is because ultimately it will be Rangnick's choice anyway.

The main transfer Haaland seems likely to take is La Liga - but that league is looking exceptionally weak. Mbappe is linked with Madrid and if they do get Haaland it's might be to be in a striking partnership. I'm not exactly sure why that happens, especially when there are clubs like Man City and Man United that could use or want you anyway as the main striker. Are real Madrid really going tonget both Mbaple and Haaland? Seems a pick or choose decision.

Who knows, maybe he likes the idea of playing under Rangnick and then a new breed of manager in Ten Hag? Just guess work but still.

Then there's De Jong, not the most successful thing in Barcelona and has been seen in the bench sometimes recently. There was even a story (must be made up) - that we were offered Coutinho by Barcelona and then we asked about De Jong. Sounds fake but still, Ten Hag coming here is not exactly managing of Ajax - he has got to do things at a bigger standard and maybe some of these players end up with us to be a part of our plan back towards the top.

Think the term you were looking for here was "fan fiction"

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Promising? I agree that he needs to go to a better club and league in order to compete for Ballon D'ors and win big trophies, but he is already an elite level striker. For me he's the best striker in the world right now.

Look at the numbers and lists again, and you'll understand that Brazilian Ronaldo, even at his very, best didn't have this impact for his team. Ronaldo was a lot better than Haaland at a lot of things, but when it comes to scoring goals and assisting goals for your team, Haaland has a lot more impact than Ronaldo did. Unfortunately we never found out how good Ronaldo could have been without serious injuries, while it should be clear for anyone who watches Haaland that he still has potential to improve a lot in several areas of his game and most likely will just become better. His movement, finishing and physical presence is as good as I've ever seen in a player plus he seems to have elite football-IQ and mentality. I'm not saying that Haaland will ever become the most technically gifted player in the world, but there's a good chance he'll become the best or one of the best goalscorers and most dominant players in football. I think who ever signs him next will win a lot of trophies. I guess we'll find out.

Comparing Ronaldo's fantastic season at Barca with Haalands time at Dortmund:

Ronaldo 96/97 for Barca:
47 goals (6 penalties) and 17 assists in 4223 minutes for Barca (Barca scored an average of 2,317 non penalty goals per game in all competitions that season)
He contributed to 1,236 non-penalty goals per 90 and 53,34% of Barcas non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Haaland for Dortmund so far:
72 goals (6 penalties) and 19 assist in 5841 minutes for Dortmund (Dortmund scored on average 2,162 non-penalty goals per game in all competitions since he arrived)
He contributed to 1,31 non-penalty goals per 90 and 60,59% of Dortmunds non penalty goals in the games he played there.

Ronaldo from 96-99 was my all time favourite player to watch, but what Haaland is doing and the rate he is doing it at for Dortmund is even more crazy when it comes to numbers and impact. No one has ever been close to have this kind of impact on a teams output at this age in the history of football. It's fair to expect great things and make bold comparisons at this point.

Lewandowski the last 2 seasons (absolute peak):

Lewa 19/20 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,294 non-penalty goals per 90 and 44,27% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 20/21 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,281 non-penalty goals per 90 and 49,65% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played
Lewa 21/22 season for Bayern: Contributed to 1,279 non-penalty goals per 90 and 38,02% of Bayerns non penalty goals in the games he played

Haaland already contributes more and has more impact for Dortmund than peak Lewa has for Bayern.
Let's just hope that he avoids serious injuries in his career.

Any top club with ambitions to win the major trophies must do whatever it takes to get him next summer.

IMO it is not a fair comparison as the protection of striker from referee, and team tactics are completely different in 90s. Haaland is far far away than 20 year old Brazilian Ronaldo as a striker. Haaland however is a physical beast.

 

[Escobar]

Anyone seen his celebration with the reaction of that older lady? Pretty funny

 

[Tarrou]

Whoa, some creative use of stats there.
Haaland contributing this much for Dortmund's attack only means that he's a big fish in a small pond, where nobody else can score regularly. Nothing more. So don't get ahead of yourselves.

I don't think anyone needs to get creative with his stats, they're amazing

 

[Tom Cato]

Stop quoting stats...talk about what you have seen...his performances...I have seen about 6 or seven Norway games in which he has played...imo he is not looking as formidable at international level ... forget goals as the only metric. If you have watched him he doesnt seem to be an integral part of Norway’s jigsaw and his profile in word football suggests he would be. He is doing amazing for a 19 year old...but he isn’t just any 19 year old...he is being quoted as being worth €150 million...therefore one would expect him to be smashing it at international level and he isn’t...that may have to do with the way Norway play not being concerned with attacking first etc.

Norway is a extremely mediocre European football team. Haaland needs service, or he can't very well do a lot. But to highlight the different between Norway with Haaland and without: With Haaland, Netherlands was lucky to come away with a draw, only a Haaland shot in the post separating the teams. In Rotterdam, Norway never came close to anything resembling a chance.

Compare that to Ronaldo at Manchester United. If he doesnt get any help, he's going to be anonymus most of the game. Haaland has the obvious advantage of age so he puts in a significant amount of defensive work and outpaces virtually anyone on the break to make up for it.

And he just scored 4-0 to Dortmund against Besiktas after playing for 5 minutes.

Individually brilliant players stand out from the team, but no footballer can make everything happen on their own. Without service and help anyone is going to see their output reduced. Put Haaland on a good national team side like France or Germany and he'll stick out like a glowing thumb.

 

[Toad]

Not phased at all by the big stage, generational talent.

 

[Tom Cato]

Whoa, some creative use of stats there.
Haaland contributing this much for Dortmund's attack only means that he's a big fish in a small pond, where nobody else can score regularly. Nothing more. So don't get ahead of yourselves.

Are you making the argument that the top scorer in the Champions League last year must prove himself on a big team first? Or am I misunderstanding you

 

[onetwo3oclock4oclockrock]

Haaland contributing this much for Dortmund's attack only means that he's a big fish in a small pond, where nobody else can score regularly. Nothing more. So don't get ahead of yourselves.

23 CL goals in 1413 minutes. CL-goal every 61 minute. He does indeed seem to be too big a fish for that tiny Champions League-pond.

 

[Tom Cato]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/bayern-munich/top-scorers
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/borussia-dortmund/top-scorers

Robert Lewandowski, big fish in a small pond