ESPN: Utd want Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and Antony at other clubs before July 22nd (start of pre-season tour USA)

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"..United need to have Sancho, Rashford, Antony and Garnacho safely tucked away at other clubs before the team heads to Chicago on July 22. The alternative for Amorim is an uncomfortable summer working with players he doesn't want..."

"..If deals for Sancho, Rashford, Antony and Garnacho cannot be agreed before the tour, Amorim and the club have decisions to make. Either they take them to the U.S. and risk the trip being disrupted by unwelcome distractions. Or they're all left at home to train at Carrington, significantly reducing United's bargaining position with interested clubs. Both sides of the coin come with a risk..."

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...ansfer-stress-sancho-rashford-antony-garnacho

Comment: at least the club are proactively looking at getting them all out, whether it's loans or transfers. Not sure how successful they will be.
 
Garnacho sale should’ve be fine for around 40 million.

Even if we can get loans for the other three with small loan fees and all wages covered it should save the club 50 million in wages for the year.
 
Except Anthony, there’s no way we should be taking any of them on the tour plane.
 
It's highly unlikely they'll be gone by that date (if at all), so some humble pie will be in order.
 
Remember those days when it seemed like Sancho and Rashford would be gone in the summer for a combined £60-65m?
 
I expect Antony and Garnacho may be gone by then but Sancho is very unlikely and Rashford I expect to be here until quite late in the window.

They are all finished at the club but 2 permanent sales and 2 loans might be as good as it gets.
 
Hopefully Betis come through for Antony and think there will be interest for Garnacho from multiple clubs (his current wages are not an issue). If we can sell these two, we should already have GBP80m in proceeds and plenty of PSR headroom from Garnacho's pure profit.

Rashford can contribute to many clubs but his wages are very problematic and believe he has 2-3 years on his contract. That makes it very difficult.

Sancho - we are helped by the fact that he only has 1 year on his contract so worst come worst, we only have to compensate 1 year of wages (that too without CL). He also had a semi-decent season at Chelsea. Virtually no European club will match his current wages so he will have to decide whether the money is more important or chance to play football.
 
Kingdingaling said:
Except Anthony, there’s no way we should be taking any of them on the tour plane.
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This - at least he has good attitude and won’t stink up the place.

I imagine in order of sales it will be: Antony, Garnacho, Sancho, Rashford. Big ass gap between the first the first two and second two sales tonight. I worry latter two will be with us deep into July.
 
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
 
I would be very surprised if they had all left the club by then.
 
Arlo said:
It's highly unlikely they'll be gone by that date (if at all), so some humble pie will be in order.
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What? I’d be surprised if any of them are still at the club by that date, exception possibly Antony but I think even that will be done.

Garnacho and Rashford absolutely no doubt will be done by then. I’d imagine Sancho will be the struggle as his stock is lower than all of them.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
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They're not particularly great wingers, especially not for us, though Garnacho still has time on his side.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
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Is there anyone who believes Rashford, Sancho or Antony have any future at United, or could contribute is any system under any manager?

Garna is subjective. So it’s only one player.
 
Being a journalist must be such an easy job. Of course we want them gone as quickly as possible, however leaving that home for the tour is not going devalue them. Every club knows we don’t want them here already. It’s a complete nothing of a story.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
How about Onana? Need him gone too. Top priority
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I absolutely want him binned. He’s an awful keeper, and one of the worst signing we’ve made.

However, he’s not a disruptive player, so he’s not on this conversation at all. Obviously if we can’t get a new keeper, we still need to make the best use of him.
 
Roboc7 said:
I expect Antony and Garnacho may be gone by then but Sancho is very unlikely and Rashford I expect to be here until quite late in the window.

They are all finished at the club but 2 permanent sales and 2 loans might be as good as it gets.
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My thoughts exactly, I think by the start of next season the only player we might have around is Sancho. I think a solution for Rashford could be easy to find, we have no PSR worries with him and he seems to still harbour some football ambition so there is some scope of him taking a paycut and us accepting some nominal fee like £20m or something thereabouts, which some Italian faded giant might put together.
 
That’s nice and all but not enforceable or remotely realistic. There’s not going to be a scramble for any of them, and most likely apart from Antony and Garnacho, only chancers looking for the best terms on their terms (hello Barca) who are quite happy to walk away from any potential deal at the drop of a hat.

We’ll be lucky to have moved Onana, Rashford, Sancho or Højlund on by September 1st, and I’m almost certain none of those as sales either.
 
I don't think leaving Sancho or Rashford behind at Carrington reduces our bargaining position.

Everyone knows we're desperate to get shut of them already.

Garnacho would be the only one where it's probably better to take on the tour if he's still here. Antony could go I suppose as he doesn't seem like he'd be a distraction.
 
It's probably only awkward with Garnacho and Rashford given they had fallings out. Antony didn't seem to leave on a bitter note and Sancho probably hasn't even met Amorim yet. We took Sancho on tour despite obvious friction between him and ETH and I don't recall there being any reported issues.

I think these guys may be a distraction for the media but clubs taking players away on tour that they want to sell or they know a player wants to leave is normal. It doesn't have to be a huge deal, leaving them at home also generates questions/distractions in a different way.

I expect the only way they stay at home is if there are further issues or a move is on the verge of being completed.
 
That’s just the authors view on the situation.

It’s not a deadline the club have set.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
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With the exception of Garnacho, I don’t remember them pulling up any trees under ETH
 
BTW - why would Amorim be in such a hurry to get rid of Sancho to the extent he doesn't want him on the pre-season tour. They never had a falling out. Similar for Antony.
 
I would have thought that any Manchester United supporter would have been aware of this.
Casemiro could be in that group as well
 
Seeing the back of the entitled little brats will be as pleasing as any new signing. Especially Rashford and Sancho, I loathe the pair of them
 
Tallis said:
BTW - why would Amorim be in such a hurry to get rid of Sancho to the extent he doesn't want him on the pre-season tour. They never had a falling out. Similar for Antony.
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If it's a club decision. At the same time, I don't see why the club hierarchy would want that - even if leaving him at Carrington didn't harm our position taking him along does no harm either. People may not like him but he's hardly a loud mouth hugely influential person in the changing room that's going to split the camp or create a toxic environment.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
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It is an obvious concern. Player quality aside, you still need natural wide attackers in a football side. Assuming we get Mbeumo over the line, we’ll have two but they both play on the right side.

If things do good bad for Amorim, we’ll probably have to make do with Cunha and maybe Fernandes doing spells as a makeshift left winger until the new guy gets a chance to buy another.
 
Roboc7 said:
I expect Antony and Garnacho may be gone by then but Sancho is very unlikely and Rashford I expect to be here until quite late in the window.

They are all finished at the club but 2 permanent sales and 2 loans might be as good as it gets.
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Usually clubs wait until the final week of the window to save on wages and fees.
 
Fortitude said:
That’s nice and all but not enforceable or remotely realistic. There’s not going to be a scramble for any of them, and most likely apart from Antony and Garnacho, only chancers looking for the best terms on their terms (hello Barca) who are quite happy to walk away from any potential deal at the drop of a hat.

We’ll be lucky to have moved Onana, Rashford, Sancho or Højlund on by September 1st, and I’m almost certain none of those as sales either.
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Honestly, with Barca we really should be trying to do a swap deal with values attached to it for PSR/FFP purposes with Rashford. Even if it’s not one of their better players - just someone who could contribute as a decent squad player for us - or even Ter Stegen (who would be a big upgrade for us) - as they’ve signed another goalkeeper and extended Szczesny iirc. Like you say, Barca’s not going to want to pay a dime in a transfer fee for Rashford. I know swap deals are notoriously difficult, but yeah….less I say about Sancho, the better.
 
Highfather_24 said:
Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot
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True, but they are all players who either have questionable attitude/ego issues or, in Antony’s case alone, just hasn’t clicked in the league. I think it’s a coincidence they are all wingers.

Antony was never going to stay given his form. Rashford has had some issues even under ETH.
Sancho has been an issue ever since the Here We Go we got from Fabrizio when he joined us from Dortmund.
 
Roboc7 said:
I expect Antony and Garnacho may be gone by then but Sancho is very unlikely and Rashford I expect to be here until quite late in the window.

They are all finished at the club but 2 permanent sales and 2 loans might be as good as it gets.
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Yep my guess too would be Garnacho and Antony are gone by then but the other two are still hanging around. In which case, I wouldn’t take them on the tour personally.
 
Well, your guys pulled off a miracle with Greenwood last summer so I won't rule out they'll do it again

But I really don't see why anybody should make a move for any of these guys until the final week of the window, when they hold you by the balls and can extract pretty much whatever conditions they want from you

Rashford on a free loan with United paying half his wages? Sure, right now the club would tell you to feck off. Final week of August? United might be the ones offering you these conditions
 
giorno said:
Well, your guys pulled off a miracle with Greenwood last summer so I won't rule out they'll do it again

But I really don't see why anybody should make a move for any of these guys until the final week of the window, when they hold you by the balls and can extract pretty much whatever conditions they want from you

Rashford on a free loan with United paying half his wages? Sure, right now the club would tell you to feck off. Final week of August? United might be the ones offering you these conditions
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Rashford will be very keen on his side to find a new home ahead of the world cup. The pressure will be on him to take a wage cut.

Our PSR situation is 5th best in the PL and we will likely be fine on the wage bill given Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans, Heaton, Malacia, Garnacho will all be out as an absolute minimum.
 
greater wall said:
Usually clubs wait until the final week of the window to save on wages and fees.
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If United need to make sales in order to bring players in, then late sales are bad news.
(A cynic might point out that somehow Ratcliffe went rather quickly from “We need to make cuts or we’ll be bankrupt by Christmas,” to “We sacked a few dinner ladies and now we can spend £100million,” and the financial constraints might all be BS, but that’s a different conversation)
The club seem to be in danger of what I like to think of as a Reverse Daniel Levy. Normally I wouldn’t have a problem of doing the opposite of what Daniel Levy does - but instead of leaving sales late to force the other team to pay more, it’s likely that some or all of Rashford, Antony, etc. will be leaving late because teams know that United are desperate to sell. United won’t be extracting better prices, they’ll be selling for less annd/or subsidising their ex/players’ wages.
And let’s get real. Even the most dyed-in-wool Red knows that United already don’t have their pick of the players to buy this summer; they can make huge strides this summer, but that’ll be a lot harder if their targets move to other sides before you’ve got enough money in from sales to make your move.
 
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