Garnacho is worth more than that, given his age. If we were looking for a similar player out of Serie A they’d be asking for £80m. We’re never going to get that for him but we have to be looking at £50m+ at a minimum. £60m+ if it’s a Premier League team buying him. Being so vocal about wanting to sell him reduces our bargaining power a bit though.
ESPN: Utd want Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and Antony at other clubs before July 22nd (start of pre-season tour USA)
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Garnacho is worth more than that, given his age. If we were looking for a similar player out of Serie A they’d be asking for £80m. We’re never going to get that for him but we have to be looking at £50m+ at a minimum. £60m+ if it’s a Premier League team buying him. Being so vocal about wanting to sell him reduces our bargaining power a bit though.
Yeah I would ideally want 60 million, just don’t have faith in the club to get that done currently, was thinking 40+5 with a sell on clause as we will need the money.
We have a young squad, would want him nowhere near them as an example of professionalism.
This has been pointed out so many times... and yet it needs to be repeated.
That's far too low for Garnacho.
The club needs to change the perception to get better deals here. Right now, it is clear to everyone we're desperate to sell, which is a problem. They need to get together in a room and come up with a plan to get them sold. If they have to bring them back into the fold and make it look like happy families, so be it.
The only way you shift them quicker is to lower the asking price and/or be willing to give the players a pay off to compensate their lower earnings.
Yes it is crazy that some fans ignore huge red flags on players.This has been pointed out so many times... and yet it needs to be repeated.
The reason the club is in this mess is keeping players on high wages with bad attitude that poison the dressing room.
Hilarious. Sancho will see out his contract, that is obvious. Barca might take Rashford for 15-20m. Add in Antony for 25m maximum and we might get 40m for the 3 of them.
This is the part Amorim has a lot to answer for in my opinion. He might want rid of these players for his own peace of mind but we're likely going to have to take significant hits on two prominent first team players he inherited because he's unwilling to work with either of them.
The Garnacho one would be particularly disappointing because he has the attributes to be a successful player somewhere. Young, quick, can play both sides. We shouldn't be begging teams to take him away below market value like we have with other players.
If we end up stripping all the pace and width out of the team, that could be something we regret too. If he goes, I hope we at least mitigate it by signing a couple of young wingers to develop in the background, even if not any first team signings.
True I don’t think Antony has been a complete prick, unless I am forgetting something.
We have lots of young wingers developing in the background, you don't need to worry about that. Would be a complete waste of money for us to go out and spend on them unless some mega talent turns up.
Let's hope the motivation of a world cup next summer and making that squad for all of them will be enough of a incentive.
As many have said Garnacho and Antony shouldnt be too difficult to shift. Though personally anything less than £60mil for Garnacho is daylight robbery.
Rashford circa 260k a week and Sancho 225k a week (with 25% wage cut for lack of CL football), will no doubt be Utd paying 50% of their wages while they are on loan.
Who would take the them I have no idea?
As many have said Garnacho and Antony shouldnt be too difficult to shift. Though personally anything less than £60mil for Garnacho is daylight robbery.
Rashford circa 260k a week and Sancho 225k a week (with 25% wage cut for lack of CL football), will no doubt be Utd paying 50% of their wages while they are on loan.
Who would take the them I have no idea?
Hopefully there are no takers for Garnacho. As long as he hasn't broken the law, I do not care about his attitude at 20. A player with his raw tools deserves far more patience and allowing a manager who is not even assured of being here by the end of this year to make such a drastic long term decision is guaranteed to blow back on us in a spectacular way.
The rest can go. Don't care about any of them.
The rest can go. Don't care about any of them.
Villa took Rashford last season. I think teams will take him and I think sancho could head to like Germany or Spain. Don’t think any other prem team touch sancho
So you’re happy with Garnacho crying all season when he’s just a bench/rotation player? His brother is another agent we don’t want anywhere near the club with his leaks. We’ve replaced him with Cunha who’ll be a starter and Mbuemo is also coming in. Them 2 get tons more goals
I'd presume with our aspirations of making European football next season that we do not want rashford or any of our players we want to sell playing for a rival, which includes villa. But we may have no choice.
I'm still expecting a deadline day no fee, no obligation, 50% wages offer loan from Barcelona and Rashford to reject all other offers as this is the move he wants.
Chelsea have a young squad too, I think the perceived level of damage he could cause is purely emotional and probably wouldn't have the slightest impact. Amorim will have to hold these players to a certain standard and if they aren't professional then he will be there to set an example.
I can see Rashford being sold for that sort of fee but with 3 years on his deal I can’t see him taking a pay cut, if we sell him for 20m that basically goes in his pocket.
Of course to me it’s too low, but I’m trying to be more realistic, i said above somewhere ideally it would be 60 million but i just don’t think we will get it.
There's a route where we could get it, the club just have to be smart.
He didn’t exactly light it up for Villa in the second half of the season. I was thinking that we’d be making teams worse rather than improving them. If one of our rivals need to deal with Rashford being hot and cold then it’s only a good thing for us. Villa missed out on CL football with Rashford. Sancho also doesn’t really improve our rivals so I’m not to bothered if any of them move to another prem team. We’ve snapped up 2 of the best prem attackers last season.
I'm getting mixed up with the wages of our players.
I thought two years of not being in the CL - and this season not being in Europe at all - meant their wages were reduced by a percentage, and that they'd go up to maximum in CL years?
But everywhere quotes Sancho's wages as £300,000 and Rashford's even at £350,000. I can't imagine they were even higher than that before and that's taking into account the non-CL reduction, so have those two's wages not been reduced at all? If they were still here next season, would we have to be paying them that amount per week? Surely in a non CL / European competition season, our players wages are lower than had we achieved CL qualification?
I thought two years of not being in the CL - and this season not being in Europe at all - meant their wages were reduced by a percentage, and that they'd go up to maximum in CL years?
But everywhere quotes Sancho's wages as £300,000 and Rashford's even at £350,000. I can't imagine they were even higher than that before and that's taking into account the non-CL reduction, so have those two's wages not been reduced at all? If they were still here next season, would we have to be paying them that amount per week? Surely in a non CL / European competition season, our players wages are lower than had we achieved CL qualification?
I think Casa isnt actively for sale but any club that wants him and can cover his wages and a proper fee could possibly have him. Licha should be the one in that group.
I meant buying clubs wait until the end of the window. They let the selling club pay the wages for the player and give them preseason training.
They're all the modern winger / striker, yeah.
But most modern attacking players are nowadays. Our first two singings / targets fit that bill as well - Cunha and Mbeumo - so we won't be left with none of them. We've just made upgrades - with the possible exception of Garnacho, who is a good talent who could develop into a very good talent, but that sale is for other reasons rather than lack of ability / potential.
Any good left wingers coming through? I've heard about Lacey and Mantato but thought they were both predominantly right sided too.
Don't think wide wingers will feature for our team for the foreseeable future. There's two schools of thought for width in the modern game. The Klopp/early Pep approach of very attacking full backs and your wide attackers playing the inside channels; or the late Pep/Arteta approach of very wide attackers providing the width and using inverted full backs instead. In terms of squad building we've gone down the road of wide fullbacks and inside attackers. I imagine if Amorim gets the chop, the new manager will be expected to use broadly the same approach to full backs, since it'll require not much rejigging in the squad.
I am not surprised this is what United want, but not necessarily what other clubs want. Just wait until 9 pm the last day of the transfer window and hope United has more than one fax machine.
You're thinking 1 reset/rebuild too far ahead mate.
If son is leaving spurs could Rashford go there?
Manchester United: ''We desperately want to sell these 4 players quickly.''
Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''
Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''
They're useless first, wingers second.
Garnacho apart. But he seems to be a bit dim. We need better wingers if we need wingers.
No, they'd be asking for 40, but we'd give them 80.
Do you have any examples Amorim stating he doesn't want them? Or is this based on the leaks (that many suspect came from Garnacho's camp)? It's pretty harsh to blame Amorim for wanting to move players along who don't fit and/or aren't of the required quality.
We're replacing Garnacho with a couple of significantly better players who can also provide width and pace (both at a higher level). It shouldn't be the slightest it disappointing, if anything it demonstrates the club is getting better at moving on from players who aren't, and won't ever be, good enough.
I think them coming in for Garnacho is more likely personally. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Precisely what I was thinking.Manchester United: ''We desperately want to sell these 4 players quickly.''
Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''
Do you think we'd get good fees for them ifManchester United: ''We desperately want to sell these 4 players quickly.''
Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''
Amorim came out and said we're desperate to keep them?
To be fair that's not what the article says. It says sources in the club want their new transfers in place for the summer tour. Its the author who then concludes this means those players need to leave by then. Nothing in that respect is attributed to the club.Manchester United: ''We desperately want to sell these 4 players quickly.''
Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''
There were loads of examples with Rashford. Amorim even made the statement about preferring the 63 year old goalkeeping coach over him in the press.
There are plenty of reports from reputable journalists saying Garnacho will be on his way out. I'm not sure what's up for debate there. I don't mind us selling Garnacho if we get a good fee and adequate replacements. The likelihood is we'll have to take a haircut on the fee now that the spat with the manager has been made public, that is disappointing.
Mbeumo and Cunha are both good players and hopefully we'll be better off for having both next season but the latter is not a winger. I'd prefer if we had at least one player in the team who can play as a left winger, even if Amorim's system doesn't need one. Putting all our chips on the manager making this system work next season when he hasn't come close so far isn't a risk I think we should be taking.
Eh? How are we stripping pace and width from the team?
Amorim has reportedly told the club he wants to bring in players who will add pace, power and athleticism. And so far our transfer targets seem to confirm that approach. Mbuemo is quicker than Garnacho, and a front three that includes Cunha and Mbuemo undoubtedly has more pace and power than whoever played those two ten roles for us this season.