ESPN: Utd want Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and Antony at other clubs before July 22nd (start of pre-season tour USA)

[Footyislife]

This is the part Amorim has a lot to answer for in my opinion. He might want rid of these players for his own peace of mind but we're likely going to have to take significant hits on two prominent first team players he inherited because he's unwilling to work with either of them.

The Garnacho one would be particularly disappointing because he has the attributes to be a successful player somewhere. Young, quick, can play both sides. We shouldn't be begging teams to take him away below market value like we have with other players.

If we end up stripping all the pace and width out of the team, that could be something we regret too. If he goes, I hope we at least mitigate it by signing a couple of young wingers to develop in the background, even if not any first team signings.

It's not Amorim leaking this though. It's Garnacho's brother. That's been the issue the whole time is Garnacho going to the media.

The piece I'm surprised by is why there isn't a strict code of conduct policy as far as fines with leaking information to the media as well as a media blackout with the exception of a couple club approved journalists. That would stop this sloppy media PR challenges we seem to be suffering with.

 

[Zumbi]

True I don’t think Antony has been a complete prick, unless I am forgetting something.

He hasn’t been a prick, but there was lots of off field stuff going on with him personally that clearly affected his time with us negatively.

 

[RonB]

I'd prefer if we had at least one player in the team who can play as a left winger, even if Amorim's system doesn't need one. Putting all our chips on the manager making this system work next season when he hasn't come close so far isn't a risk I think we should be taking.

Bit harsh.
If there’s one thing we’ve learnt over the e last nine months or so, it’s that Amorim is a flexible tactician who is happy to adapt his system because he prioritises results.

 

[duffer]

Am I right in thinking that before Sancho got the loan to Chelsea last year, he was back in training with the first team at Man United?

I have a vague recollection that there was a temporary making up between him and the club.

Might the same thing happen with Antony, Sancho and Rashford this (pre)season?

 

[Chairman Steve]

Would be good if half of them were out the door by then, although Antony’s not really an attitude problem like the other three. I think he’ll get suitors this summer but it’ll be a case of whether we get the money we ideally want.

Garnacho will attract a market but the sooner he goes, the better. I think some fans overrate him a little too highly and turn a blind eye to his off-field conduct.

Rashford and Sancho will be the hardest to shift. I think Rashford still has a belief he can make the England World Cup squad so he certainly isn’t going to want to be here, but it’s whether he’s a full sale or yet another loan. I would be genuinely surprised if he got a gig at Barcelona that he’s supposedly angling for.

 

[ThanksBoss26]

Am I right in thinking that before Sancho got the loan to Chelsea last year, he was back in training with the first team at Man United?

I have a vague recollection that there was a temporary making up between him and the club.

Might the same thing happen with Antony, Sancho and Rashford this (pre)season?

You are right, he came on in the Charity Shield and missed a pen in the shoot out!

 

[CM]

Eh? How are we stripping pace and width from the team?

Amorim has reportedly told the club he wants to bring in players who will add pace, power and athleticism. And so far our transfer targets seem to confirm that approach. Mbuemo is quicker than Garnacho, and a front three that includes Cunha and Mbuemo undoubtedly has more pace and power than whoever played those two ten roles for us this season.

It's a start but it's not really enough. Beyond those two, Amad is the only one who can provide those things. The other players who have featured in those positions so far - Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Fernandes - don't offer either of those two traits, and most of those players playing there is a direct consequence of Amorim's chosen formation. We should be making sure the team has pace and width in abundance.

 

[The Hilton]

There were loads of examples with Rashford. Amorim even made the statement about preferring the 63 year old goalkeeping coach over him in the press.

There are plenty of reports from reputable journalists saying Garnacho will be on his way out. I'm not sure what's up for debate there. I don't mind us selling Garnacho if we get a good fee and adequate replacements. The likelihood is we'll have to take a haircut on the fee now that the spat with the manager has been made public, that is disappointing.

Mbeumo and Cunha are both good players and hopefully we'll be better off for having both next season but the latter is not a winger. I'd prefer if we had at least one player in the team who can play as a left winger, even if Amorim's system doesn't need one. Putting all our chips on the manager making this system work next season when he hasn't come close so far isn't a risk I think we should be taking.

He was questioned why Rashford wasn't getting played. Would you have been happy him dodging the question constantly? The fanbase in general almost certainly wouldn't have been.

We know Garnacho is on his way out, and reputable journalists have reported as much. But making the spat public was on Garnacho and his public interviews, and then the subsequent leak that he was told to find a new club. Neither of those things are on Amorim, so why would it be something he has to answer for?

Garnacho was ineffective as a left winger, and slightly less ineffective on the right, there's no risk at all in selling a player who can't handle the Premier League. That isn't putting all our chips on the manager, it's just shipping out deadwood.

 

[Zumbi]

It's a start but it's not really enough. Beyond those two, Amad is the only one who can provide those things. The other players who have featured in those positions so far - Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Fernandes - don't offer either of those two traits, and most of those players playing there is a direct consequence of Amorim's chosen formation. We should be making sure the team has pace and width in abundance.

But again, you said you were worried about us stripping pace from the team, despite our current manager specifically saying he wants more pace and power, and now targeting players who offer more pace and power.

It wasn’t Amorim who brought in Mount, or Mainoo, or Zirkzee, or Fernandes. He’s just been working with what he’s got, and in doing so, he’s highlighted a lack of pace and power as being a major issue. So when all the indications are that adding pace is a focus for Amorim, I have no idea why you’d be concerned about him stripping pace from the team. It’s a deficiency he himself has highlighted and is trying to rectify, so not only does that seem like a baseless concern, it seems to directly ignore what we’re explicitly trying to do in the transfer market.

 

[CM]

He was questioned why Rashford wasn't getting played. Would you have been happy him dodging the question constantly? The fanbase in general almost certainly wouldn't have been.

We know Garnacho is on his way out, and reputable journalists have reported as much. But making the spat public was on Garnacho and his public interviews, and then the subsequent leak that he was told to find a new club. Neither of those things are on Amorim, so why would it be something he has to answer for?

Garnacho was ineffective as a left winger, and slightly less ineffective on the right, there's no risk at all in selling a player who can't handle the Premier League. That isn't putting all our chips on the manager, it's just shipping out deadwood.

The point is more in relation to completely freezing him out of the team when there was no better replacement. That might've been the best thing for Amorim at the time but it wasn't the best thing for the club and it told in the results that followed.

There was also a clip of Amorim laughing like a weirdo when Amad was asked about Garnacho's future at the club in one of those post-season friendlies. I'm not saying Garnacho is blameless because he's clearly done some stupid things too, but Amorim is also culpable for some of the media frenzy that has been stirred up.

Same as above for Garnacho. It depends on who we're able to replace him with. If we lose a player with his traits for a lesser fee and don't replace him as we did with Rashford in January, I don't really see how the club benefits. The manager's remit is to get the best of what he's got, if he wants to chuck players out of the club at the first sign of trouble, I'm not really convinced that's good management.

But again, you said you were worried about us stripping pace from the team when our current manager has specifically said he wants more pace and power, and we seem to now be specifically targeting players who offer more pace and power.

It wasn’t Amorim who brought in Mount, or Mainoo, or Zirkzee, or Fernandes. He’s just been working with what he’s got. But when all the indications are that adding pace is a focus for Amorim, I have no idea why you’d be concerned about him stripping pace from the team. It’s a deficiency he himself has highlighted and is trying to rectify, so not only does that seem like a baseless concern, it seems to directly ignore what we’re trying to do in the transfer market.

Because he already did it in January without doing anything to mitigate it. Mbeumo and Amad would be fine for the right side but there's still an absence on the left, particularly if we have to abandon this formation at some point. Cunha is the closest but I'm not convinced that's enough over the course of a season.

I actually have bigger concerns than this with Amorim but in the context of this thread, we're talking about pretty much all of the wingers leaving the club. I don't think that's a good idea if they're not replaced like for like.

 

[stevoc]

Do you think we'd get good fees for them if
Amorim came out and said we're desperate to keep them?

In the case of Sancho and Rashford at this stage probably not seeing as the public fueds managers had with them have already let every potential buyer know there's no future at United for either. But with Antony and Garnacho we probably could have played this a bit smarter.

 

[Zumbi]

The point is more in relation to completely freezing him out of the team when there was no better replacement. That might've been the best thing for Amorim at the time but it wasn't the best thing for the club and it told in the results that followed.

There was also a clip of Amorim laughing like a weirdo when Amad was asked about Garnacho's future at the club in one of those post-season friendlies. I'm not saying Garnacho is blameless because he's clearly done some stupid things too, but Amorim is also culpable for some of the media frenzy that has been stirred up.

Same as above for Garnacho. It depends on who we're able to replace him with. If we lose a player with his traits for a lesser fee and don't replace him as we did with Rashford in January, I don't really see how the club benefits. The manager's remit is to get the best of what he's got, if he wants to chuck players out of the club at the first sign of trouble, I'm not really convinced that's good management.


Because he already did it in January without doing anything to mitigate it. Mbeumo and Amad would be fine for the right side but there's still an absence on the left, particularly if we have to abandon this formation at some point. Cunha is the closest but I'm not convinced that's enough over the course of a season.

I actually have bigger concerns than this with Amorim but in the context of this thread, we're talking about pretty much all of the wingers leaving the club. I don't think that's a good idea if they're not replaced like for like.

Amorim was supposed to fix our squad’s issue with pace in one January transfer window with barely any funds less than two months after joining us? Do you honestly believe that’s realistic or reasonable?

We have a manager who has specifically said we need more pace, and is looking to bring in players who have more pace. The transfer window only opened a few days ago for god’s sake and yet you’re here fretting about our squad being stripped of pace despite all the evidence that our manager wants to and is trying to add pace. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Yes, we lost one player with pace in January, but he was a chronic underperformer with entitlement/discipliniary issues who wasn’t putting in the effort or following instructions in training. Which, of course, is another issue which plagues our squad which desperately needs to be addressed for us to become more successful long term. So again, I’m not sure how you’re trying to spin that as a negative when it seems to me like something we’ve needed for years.

And why would we want to replace those wingers like for like? They were failures who didn’t bring us the success we strive for. We are in the process of replacing them with more effective, more productive players. We won’t be able to get everything we need in one window, but it certainly looks like we’re moving in the right direction.

He’s also not chucking players out at the first sign of trouble. Garnacho was dropped form the squad at the same time Rashford was, but Amorim left the door open for both of them. Garnacho worked his way back in and Rashford didn’t. Since then Garnacho has continued to underperform, and continued to display issues regarding his attitude and entitlement. So it’s no surprise him and the club are now deciding to part ways.

 

[Frank White]

In the case of Sancho and Rashford at this stage probably not seeing as the public fueds managers had with them have already let every potential buyer know there's no future at United for either. But with Antony and Garnacho we probably could have played this a bit smarter.

How? The only feasible way to avoid Garnacho doing that interview was to cater to him, the club did nothing wrong with him. And the Antony situation was handled perfectly he got a loan, did well and put himself in the shop window.

 

[CM]

Amorim was supposed to fix our squad’s issue with pace in one January transfer window with barely any funds less than two months after joining us?

We have a manager who has specifically said we need more pace, and is looking to bring in players who have more pace. The transfer window only opened a few days ago for god’s sake and yet you’re here fretting about our squad being stripped of pace despite all the evidence that our manager wants to and is trying to add pace. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Yes, we lost one player with pace in January, but he was a chronic underperformer with entitlement/discipliniary issues who wasn’t putting in the effort or following instructions in training. Which, of course, is another issue which plagues our squad which desperately needs to be addressed for us to become more successful long term. So again, I’m not sure how you’re trying to spin that as a negative when it seems to me like something we’ve needed for years.

And why would we want to replace those wingers like for like? They were failures who didn’t bring us the success we strive for. We are in the process of replacing them with more effective, more productive players. We won’t be able to get everything we need in one window, but it certainly looks like we’re moving in the right direction.

The squad was weaker at the end of the January window than it was at the start and a big factor in that was him freezing out one of the only players in our team who had any pedigree of scoring goals. The remaining options for the '10' positions mostly consisted of players who were slow and lacked athleticism.

I'm actually not fretting about anything, you seem far more passionate about this subject than I am. I'd just prefer if we didn't repeat the mistakes of January where we made our squad weaker because the manager didn't like a player. The last few seasons have ebbed away at how much energy I want to invest in debating this kind of stuff - it's pretty tedious. If we're terrible again next season, I'll wait it out and hope the next manager does better.

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse but I'm referring to the positions and profiles rather than the actual quality of the players. Cunha is a good player but not suitable to play wide. My opinion is we need a contingency for if Amorim fails because I'm unconvinced by him. If you disagree with that, so be it.

 

[The Hilton]

The point is more in relation to completely freezing him out of the team when there was no better replacement. That might've been the best thing for Amorim at the time but it wasn't the best thing for the club and it told in the results that followed.

There was also a clip of Amorim laughing like a weirdo when Amad was asked about Garnacho's future at the club in one of those post-season friendlies. I'm not saying Garnacho is blameless because he's clearly done some stupid things too, but Amorim is also culpable for some of the media frenzy that has been stirred up.

Same as above for Garnacho. It depends on who we're able to replace him with. If we lose a player with his traits for a lesser fee and don't replace him as we did with Rashford in January, I don't really see how the club benefits. The manager's remit is to get the best of what he's got, if he wants to chuck players out of the club at the first sign of trouble, I'm not really convinced that's good management.

What was the alternative with Rashford? Continue to play a player who clearly couldn't be bothered? Long term it was definitely best for the club.

As for Garnacho, the club benefits by getting rid of a player who clearly isn't good enough for us. Any fee we can get for that is a positive, otherwise he'll leave on a free once his contract expires, and in the mean time we're stuck with a player who's well below the required standard.

 

[Zumbi]

The squad was weaker at the end of the January window than it was at the start and a big factor in that was him freezing out one of the only players in our team who had any pedigree of scoring goals. The remaining options for the '10' positions mostly consisted of players who were slow and lacked athleticism.

I'm actually not fretting about anything, you seem far more passionate about this subject than I am. I'd just prefer if we didn't repeat the mistakes of January where we made our squad weaker because the manager didn't like a player. The last few seasons have ebbed away at how much energy I want to invest in debating this kind of stuff - it's pretty tedious. If we're terrible again next season, I'll wait it out and hope the next manager does better.

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse but I'm referring to the positions and profiles rather than the actual quality of the players. Cunha is a good player but not suitable to play wide. My opinion is we need a contingency for if Amorim fails because I'm unconvinced by him. If you disagree with that, so be it.

You seem to be ignoring all the context, which is a little amusing when you’re the one accusing me of being obtuse. Yes Rashford was frozen out, but it wasn’t because Amorim “didn’t like him” - it was because he wasn’t applying himself in training. That’s on Rashford, not a manager who rightly expects players to put it in in training.

There have been underlying issues with Rashford’s application for a while, and they were finally addressed by a manager strong enough to address them. That may or may not have hurt us in the short term, but i think it will prove beneficial to our standards and squad morale in the medium and long term. Standards at our club have slipped badly and we desperately need to rebuild them, and that requires underperforming players who don’t have the right attitude or work ethic being moved on.

There are myriad issues with our club. Attitude, application and professionalism need to be addressed just as much as pace, power and physicality need to be addressed, and it seems to me like we’re moving in the right direction on all those fronts.

It also seems remarkably obtuse that you’re complaining that we’re not making like for like replacements for player profiles which don’t fit the system we play, and didn’t even succeed in previous systems. Seems like your actual issue is that we’re not playing a 442 with wingers. Although if we were, I’d still be in favour of selling Garnacho and bringing someone else in, because I don’t think he’s good enough whatever system we play, just like I don’t think Sancho or Anthony or Rashford were performing well enough whatever system we play. For what it’s worth, I’d love to see us bring in a more attacking, more skillful, pacier wide player to give us a better option at WB, but again, we are not going to be able to rebuild our entire squad in one window. It’s just not feasible or realistic.

If you honestly think we’re going to make our squad weaker this summer transfer window, because we’re bringing in the likes of Cunha who fit our system, rather than traditional wingers who don’t fit our system, I don’t know what to tell you. To me the likes of Cunha, Mbuemo and a new striker just seem like such an obvious upgrade on the wingers who have failed to get us where we need to be. And the club has specifically said they’re looking for player profiles who can play in multiple systems, so I don’t think that’s a particularly valid concern either.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Manchester United: ''We desperately want to sell these 4 players quickly.''

Also Manchester United: ''Why can't we get good fees for these 4 players?''

To be fair that's not what the article says. It says sources in the club want their new transfers in place for the summer tour. Its the author who then concludes this means those players need to leave by then. Nothing in that respect is attributed to the club.

Yep, glad you pointed that out.

It's strange how many keep reading ITK rumours, or pundits opinion pieces, and then equating it with facts that the club have publicly said this and that.

The club have said nothing about these transfers publicly. Everything is just differing tiers of journalists suggesting this and that is going in - some which may prove true, some of which will be clickbait bs. And then plenty of opinion pieces, again mostly for clickbait because anything to do with United gets plenty of reaction.

 

[Irwin99]

All the obvious names listed. Was hoping there might be some rumours of other players leaving, but early days I suppose. Squad looks too big even without European football.

 

[Cloud7]

Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot

The only one who isn't a complete waste of space at United is Garnacho, so even if we need wingers in a year's time (I suspect we will) we sure as hell would not have gotten much out of this particular cohort of wingers

 

[Lennon7]

Does anybody else notice, they are all wingers?

Sure hope having no pure wingers wont bite us in the ass a year down the line if Amorim gets the boot

Cunha, Amad, Mbuemo (if he comes) all have experience playing on the wing, and Mount, Bruno and Zirkzee could also play there if needed

Wouldn’t worry about that!

 

[CM]

You seem to be ignoring all the context, which is a little amusing when you’re the one accusing me of being obtuse. Yes Rashford was frozen out, but it wasn’t because Amorim “didn’t like him” - it was because he wasn’t applying himself in training. That’s on Rashford, not a manager who rightly expects players to put it in in training.

There have been underlying issues with Rashford’s application for a while, and they were finally addressed by a manager strong enough to address them. That may or may not have hurt us in the short term, but i think it will prove beneficial to our standards and squad morale in the medium and long term. Standards at our club have slipped badly and we desperately need to rebuild them, and that requires underperforming players who don’t have the right attitude or work ethic being moved on.

There are myriad issues with our club. Attitude, application and professionalism need to be addressed just as much as pace, power and physicality need to be addressed, and it seems to me like we’re moving in the right direction on all those fronts.

It also seems remarkably obtuse that you’re complaining that we’re not making like for like replacements for player profiles which don’t fit the system we play, and didn’t even succeed in previous systems. Seems like your actual issue is that we’re not playing a 442 with wingers. Although if we were, I’d still be in favour of selling Garnacho and bringing someone else in, because I don’t think he’s good enough whatever system we play, just like I don’t think Sancho or Anthony or Rashford were performing well enough whatever system we play. For what it’s worth, I’d love to see us bring in a more attacking, more skillful, pacier wide player to give us a better option at WB, but again, we are not going to be able to rebuild our entire squad in one window. It’s just not feasible or realistic.

If you honestly think we’re going to make our squad weaker this summer transfer window, because we’re bringing in the likes of Cunha who fit our system, rather than traditional wingers who don’t fit our system, I don’t know what to tell you. To me the likes of Cunha, Mbuemo and a new striker just seem like such an obvious upgrade on the wingers who have failed to get us where we need to be. And the club has specifically said they’re looking for player profiles who can play in multiple systems, so I don’t think that’s a particularly valid concern either.

The most important context for me is winning games. We finished 15th in the league and lost a European final to the team who finished 17th because we didn't do that or play well enough with nearly enough regularity. His stance on Rashford has to come under serious scrutiny when that's the backdrop. By all means feck him off in the summer, but we actually tanked the remainder of our season because we didn't have anybody to replace his contribution to the team - even if it was diminishing returns.

I'm not saying our overall squad will be weaker from the start point of this transfer window to the end. But let's say we have Amad, Cunha, Mbeumo and Garnacho as our tens with two days left of the transfer window. If we sell Garnacho without a replacement due to issues between him and the manager, we end the window in a weaker position than we have to. I wouldn't be up for that, particularly if he leaves for a less than satisfactory fee.

I'm also keen not to back ourselves into a corner giving the manager everything he wants if it comes at the expense of the team in the longer term. Amorim probably has more chance of staying on than Ten Hag did last summer but it's not a foregone conclusion he makes it past October/November time. If he leaves, we go back to playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 like 99% of the rest of the football world and that presents issues.

 

[Zumbi]

The most important context for me is winning games. We finished 15th in the league and lost a European final to the team who finished 17th because we didn't do that or play well enough with nearly enough regularity. His stance on Rashford has to come under serious scrutiny when that's the backdrop. By all means feck him off in the summer, but we actually tanked the remainder of our season because we didn't have anybody to replace his contribution to the team - even if it was diminishing returns.

I'm not saying our overall squad will be weaker from the start point of this transfer window to the end. But let's say we have Amad, Cunha, Mbeumo and Garnacho as our tens with two days left of the transfer window. If we sell Garnacho without a replacement due to issues between him and the manager, we end the window in a weaker position than we have to. I wouldn't be up for that, particularly if he leaves for a less than satisfactory fee.

I'm also keen not to back ourselves into a corner giving the manager everything he wants if it comes at the expense of the team in the longer term. Amorim probably has more chance of staying on than Ten Hag did last summer but it's not a foregone conclusion he makes it past October/November time. If he leaves, we go back to playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 like 99% of the rest of the football world and that presents issues.

That context of us not being able to compete in the league and not being able win games is precisely why we need to move out ill suited and underperforming players so we can bring in better ones. If selling Garnacho helps us bring in the likes of Cunha and Mbeumo plus a striker, that’s already an upgrade which would give us more pace in our front line and should help us compete better in the league and hopefully win more games.

Aside from your second paragraph being a weirdly specific hypothetical, it’s missing the point. The whole point of selling someone like Garnacho is so that we have more funds to invest in better players. And given that our current manager plays a system with designated wide players, and has been explicit in saying we need players with more pace and power, I still have no idea how you’ve concluded he might strip of us pace and width. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny because he’s very obviously trying to do the opposite, just with better, more physically capable footballers.

As a reminder, your original concern was Amorim “stripping all the pace and width” from the team. And yet even in your hypothetical, we’d still have more pace and width in our attacking line up than we have had in recent months.

And as I’ve already said, those above Amorim have stated they’re targeting players who can play in multiple systems. So if Amorim leaves and a new manager comes in, selling the likes of Garnacho and bringing in the likes of Cunha and Mbuemo still puts us in a better position than we were last season, because it means the new manager will have better footballers available to him than the ones who have already shown themselves to not be at a good enough standard to compete.

 

[Bondi77]

I think Casa isnt actively for sale but any club that wants him and can cover his wages and a proper fee could possibly have him. Licha should be the one in that group.

That means we don't want him but cannot get rid because nobody else does either.
One of the worst deals in our history!

 

[redNATION]

Garnacho and Antony should be easy to move on, they’ve both had decent seasons and European teams want them . It’s the other two who will be hard to shift. Hjolund also.

That should be 100m extra guaranteed for those two to add to the budget.

 

[Cassidy]

One of the worst deals in our history!

Hyberbole much?

There is literally Antony, Hojlund Van De Beek and Sancho in recent memory that have been a lot worse.

Not to mention he is still our 2nd best midfield player.

I think if we really wanted him to leave and told him so he would find a move.

Him staying around is more likely because we have not been ruthless enough with him

 

[Highfather_24]

The only one who isn't a complete waste of space at United is Garnacho, so even if we need wingers in a year's time (I suspect we will) we sure as hell would not have gotten much out of this particular cohort of wingers

What so many have missed about my post, is its not about the players. Its about the profiles. We are ditching wingers in favour of inside forwards, and idk how that will pan out in the future.

 

[Andycoleno9]

For once we should be ruthless. All these players (except Sancho) have long term contracts, they are all in their prime and they do have quality.
We shouldn't go in their way and loan them or give them for peanuts just because they have big contracts. If they want to play then they must lower their wage demands.

You stay, you don't play route.

 

[Zumbi]

What so many have missed about my post, is its not about the players. Its about the profiles. We are ditching wingers in favour of inside forwards, and idk how that will pan out in the future.

Not really. Neither Rashford nor Sancho are traditional wingers. Rashford was at his best as an inside forward coming off the left. And at his best, Sancho would drift infield and do the most damage working in the half spaces and combining with others. If we get Mbuemo then Amad will likely be playing at RWB, and it’s not hard to envisage him being a greater attacking threat out wide there than Antony ever was playing right wing for us. I also think Amad is less predictable there as he’s more willing and able to go on the outside whereas defenders knew Antony always wanted to cut in on his left.

So overall, I don’t really understand these fears that getting rid of a bunch of underwhelming and mixed profile wide players who never did it consistently for us is some kind of risk. I also think the differences in profile between the players on their way out and the players coming in are less pronounced and more nuanced than many seem to be making out.

 

[Stacker]

At least they all know where they stand. Sancho I can’t see going anywhere, he’s the type of person who is happy to not feature in anything related to the club as long as he gets his big money. He will ride that contract out till the end unless someone is going to pay him even more.

Total leech.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I think Garna and Antony can be easily sold, and we do not need to be desperate, they can be included in the pre-season, especially Antony who's relationship with Amorim is not bad at all, Garna is a hot asset, clubs in Europe will certainly be able to afford a 50m for him, I remember I read something like Napoli and Chelsea being interested, while teams like Bayern, Atletico and Juve could go for him.

As for Rashford, I feel like he'll have the desire to leave to get game time and have a chance to be in the England setup for WC2026, which means he might be willing to accept a lower wages, and I do not think the Barca links are meaningful, Rashford will be smart not to go to a place where he has to compete with someone who is vastly superior to him (Raphinha) for game time, he could go to Bayern where his chances of nailing a starting spot in his preferred LW is a lot easier with Coman leaving.

Sancho will be hard to get rid of, but we do not need to accommodate him or clubs like Dortmund, if he wants to leave, he will have to be willing to accept lower wages and probably some fee from United as a compensation (like 5m), and Dortmund will either have to pay 20M or wait for a year, they are getting money for Gittens from Chelsea so they can definitely afford Sancho (transfer fee and wages), otherwise, he can come back and train alone until his contract expires, we should not set a precedent where players can force the club's hand.

 

[golden_blunder]

It's a start but it's not really enough. Beyond those two, Amad is the only one who can provide those things. The other players who have featured in those positions so far - Mount, Mainoo, Zirkzee, Fernandes - don't offer either of those two traits, and most of those players playing there is a direct consequence of Amorim's chosen formation. We should be making sure the team has pace and width in abundance.

Sure but with players who want to be here, aren’t running to the press every time and who turn up and do what’s required in training.

Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho are none of those things. Sulk Buy

 

[stevoc]

How? The only feasible way to avoid Garnacho doing that interview was to cater to him, the club did nothing wrong with him. And the Antony situation was handled perfectly he got a loan, did well and put himself in the shop window.

We've basically announced publicly that Garnacho has been up for sale the last 2 transfer windows. Amorim has been critical of him publicly since he came in, maybe the club should speak to manager about keeping things more in house.

What do you mean ''cater to him''?

 

[kundalini]

I'm getting mixed up with the wages of our players.

I thought two years of not being in the CL - and this season not being in Europe at all - meant their wages were reduced by a percentage, and that they'd go up to maximum in CL years?

But everywhere quotes Sancho's wages as £300,000 and Rashford's even at £350,000. I can't imagine they were even higher than that before and that's taking into account the non-CL reduction, so have those two's wages not been reduced at all? If they were still here next season, would we have to be paying them that amount per week? Surely in a non CL / European competition season, our players wages are lower than had we achieved CL qualification?

If United aren't in the CL that season, then the basic wages of first team players are 25% lower relative to a CL season. United's quarterly and annual accounts even mention this as one of the reasons the total wage bill has gone up or down.

The only exception is that players joining the club tend to be paid as if we were in the CL in their 1st year, then that figure gets reduced by 25% if we miss out on CL the following season. If we go from not being in the CL in year 1, to being in the CL in year 2, their basic salary remains the same. For example, I expect the basic salaries of De Ligt, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, Yoro and Ugarte to be reduced by 25% in season 25/26. It is possible that United have changed their approach in recent years but this is how it used to work.

The media seems content to write one article per decade that explains United's approach to salaries, then completely ignore those principles when writing about the salaries individual players earn.

The aspect that is not totally clear to me is whether the media figures are the maximum the player can earn, or the basic salary in a CL year with appearance bonuses on top.

Several years ago Memphis Depay's United contract was leaked. He earned £3.9m basic salary if not in CL, £5.2m if in CL, appearance bonuses were £20K per start, £10K per sub appearance if at least 20 mins (can't recall precise number but from memory it ruled out quite a lot of short sub appearances), with further bonuses of £250K for 20 starts and again for 40 starts. So his earnings could vary from about £4m to £6.5m depending on how involved he was and whether we were competing in the CL that season.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

If United aren't in the CL that season, then the basic wages of first team players are 25% lower relative to a CL season. United's quarterly and annual accounts even mention this as one of the reasons the total wage bill has gone up or down.

The only exception is that players joining the club tend to be paid as if we were in the CL in their 1st year, then that figure gets reduced by 25% if we miss out on CL the following season. If we go from not being in the CL in year 1, to being in the CL in year 2, their basic salary remains the same. For example, I expect the basic salaries of De Ligt, Mazraoui, Zirkzee, Yoro and Ugarte to be reduced by 25% in season 25/26. It is possible that United have changed their approach in recent years but this is how it used to work.

The media seems content to write one article per decade that explains United's approach to salaries, then completely ignore those principles when writing about the salaries individual players earn.

The aspect that is not totally clear to me is whether the media figures are the maximum the player can earn, or the basic salary in a CL year with appearance bonuses on top.

Several years ago Memphis Depay's United contract was leaked. He earned £3.9m basic salary if not in CL, £5.2m if in CL, appearance bonuses were £20K per start, £10K per sub appearance if at least 20 mins (can't recall precise number but from memory it ruled out quite a lot of short sub appearances), with further bonuses of £250K for 20 starts and again for 40 starts. So his earnings could vary from about £4m to £6.5m depending on how involved he was and whether we were competing in the CL that season.

Thanks for all of that.

 

[Frank White]

We've basically announced publicly that Garnacho has been up for sale the last 2 transfer windows. Amorim has been critical of him publicly since he came in, maybe the club should speak to manager about keeping things more in house.

What do you mean ''cater to him''?

What's he said that's been critical? And by cater to him I mean he clearly believes he has a devine right to start so unless Amorim does that fully expect "dressing room sources" to be leaking things week after week or interviews.

Amorim's tenure here has been shite but how he's handled the majority of the players has been spot on. Want aways been shown the door i.e Rashford and Antony and how he's handled Garnacho has been completely reasonable.

 

[croadyman]

That’s nice and all but not enforceable or remotely realistic. There’s not going to be a scramble for any of them, and most likely apart from Antony and Garnacho, only chancers looking for the best terms on their terms (hello Barca) who are quite happy to walk away from any potential deal at the drop of a hat.

We’ll be lucky to have moved Onana, Rashford, Sancho or Højlund on by September 1st, and I’m almost certain none of those as sales either.

Jeez not much chance of any more signings then

 

[Martinez4midfield]

Fanbase may need to curb their enthusiasm about all these player sales funding a massive rebuild. Going to have to give these players away to get them off the books or even worse subsidizing their wages on loan.

Garnacho probably the only one with any value but they have to be careful not to price him it off a move because they're getting nothing out of the others. I'd say 50 million pounds, 10 of which achievable add-ons.

 

[Jericholyte2]

What so many have missed about my post, is its not about the players. Its about the profiles. We are ditching wingers in favour of inside forwards, and idk how that will pan out in the future.

Are we really?

I’d say only Sancho (in his pomp) was a ‘winger’ and even he preferred to be more central. The other three are not wingers in any classic sense. All would be classed as inside forwards currently, as their main attacking threat is coming in from wide and shooting.

None of them would be the classic ‘beat the man and play it into the box’ type winger.

 

[zenith]

Selling garnacho to a premier league club, especially arsenal or chelsea would be an incredibly stupid decision. Would rather we take a 10 million hit and send him to Napoli (if we can force his hand) or reintegrating him into the squad, rather than selling him to a PL rival

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

Not a fan of the Garnacho sale. The other 3 had their chances and are on huge wages so I don’t See a Place for them and prefer to save nearly 1m per week on their wages.