Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Ramshock, Mar 10, 2019.
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The trust factor is CRITICAL in the aviation industry.
At air shows, cumulative orders from the past year are announced. Given the bad publicity, it's understandable that Boeing would refrain from popping the champagne with airlines while announcing orders that were signed in January.
Fact remains that Boeing remains a major player in the narrowbody market because Airbus and Embraer alone won't suffice to fill the demand, they all have years long backlogs.
Wow though. I used to teach lots of Airbus folks and they always talked about stuff like this.
It's both. Lots of orders are worked on in the months leading up to Paris or Farnborough ready for signing at the event. Day one is hardly the end of the world but if there's nothing by Sunday then it's big news.
I'm sure there are a few airlines (small operators or incremental orders by big operators) that dropped out after the crashes and switched to Airbus. It's small relative to those who are locked in already. Apparently orders have been coming in since 2011
Absolutely huge for sure. Air Shows are normally the opposite of apology tours
They've averaged between 400 and 900 orders per year for the 737MAX since launch. This year so far? 7.
Massive fundamental incidents like these have led to the end of numerous aircraft over the years. It could be very well be the last 737 model.
They'll probably just re-brand. For the same reason they refused to do it before - the 737 name carried a lot of weight behind it.
It's not going to be the last 737 model. You forget how successful this model has been in the narrow body segment.
The 737 max 8... Probably, but if they get clearance from the regulatory authorities, and regain the confidence of major airlines (they most likely will), why would they scrap an entire line?
They were already planning to replace the 737. The 737 MAX was really only introduced because they couldn't develop the replacement fast enough and Airbus were winning too many orders with the A320neo. It was probably going to be the last model in the line anyway.
If passengers avoid it airlines will react. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened and brought an aircraft's production to a premature end.
Genuine question mate. Do you work with/are invested in Boeing in any way? It’s not meant to be offensive or anything of that sort, but you’ve been quite defensive of them in this thread.
News just keeps getting worse for Boeing...
Who developed the Boeing 737 Max's flawed software? Low-paid temp workers and recent college grads, according to report
Since it is a certification problem it is going to take some time. The FAA may allow the Max to operate but most of the World now operates under EASA rules and now EASA is not going to to certify it just because FAA says so. They are going to independently verify everything. This will take time. Now the Air Canada 787 issue has flared up too so Boeing is in a spot of bother as far the certification of aircraft are.
Max dropped from the name. No real return date as of yet as far as I can tell. This must really be costing them a lot of money at this point.
It's gonna cost them a big amount of money. But it's Boeing. Their only real competitor is Airbus and the latter can't sweep up the whole market.
So in the long-term they'll be fine I reckon.
They said it would cost them over $1b in April, when they still thought it would be flying by the summer. Each aircraft is supposedly costing it's owning airline 150k per day to sit there doing nothing. I'm sure they'll all be chasing Boeing for that too.
Even with all that, they will almost certainly still turn a profit this year. That's how big they are.
Yeah, they'll survive this, no doubt, but it must be a fortune by now.
American Airlines don't seem optimistic about a return in the next couple of months (no surprise really).
On the one hand, this could be catastrophic for Boeing, but on the other, a lot people have died and many millions (sounds alarmist, but think how many passengers a year are flying in these aircraft) more could be at risk.
They can not allow these planes to fly again until a solution is found. What happens if Boeing goes bust? I'm not sure, presumably the US Government would have to step in?
That isn't happening.
That's exactly my point, it's not funny. Neither is people dying plane crashes, which is even less funny.
What's funny is your suggestion that Boeing goes bust.
1. They're not close to going bust
2. They are a critical defense contractor, so the United States would have to step in, IF they were close to going bust
3. They're not close to going bust
That comment is indicative of the hyperbolic rhetoric concerning Boeing over the past few months, but I'll stop here before I'm accused of owning shares in Boeing
I believe you are a Boeing share holder.
That would be financial negligence.
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Many posters probably are and don't even know it.
Although by now, their mutual funds may have dumped Boeing.
$5bn hit is mental
And that sum doesn’t include lawsuits that they know are coming.
Next time, don't cut corners.
I am certainly not condoning Boeing. But many major companies cut corners and often get away with it.
In this case Boeing didn't. Remember. They were trying very hard to blame the Ethiopian pilots for the catastrophic crash even though they were well aware of the problem.
Cynically enough, investors are "OK" with this figure. However , with the possibility of return of service before 2020 rapidly diminishing, this number can get a lot larger.
Boeing seem like scum to me. I'll actively attempt to avoid flying on their planes. They even conned the relatives out of more significant compensation!
Wouldn't argue with that. They actively targeted Ethiopian Airlines, a customer of Boeing, in order to try to deflect the blame onto what they regarded as a 'third world airline with third world aircrew'. And they have never apologised to them for that.
They then tried to put some blame on the American FAA for not spotting the problem and certifying the aircraft.
They almost got away with it as well since accidents did not occur in the west. Just look at some of the posts in this thread by certain posters who were convinced that Boeing did nothing wrong and Asian/African and even European authorities later on were overreacting due to public hysteria.
In all of this it remains vital to remember those who perished and the families of those.
I suspect that they will have to overcome many obstacles put in their way before they get justice.
They have their hands on a lot of aircraft. It will be close to impossible to accomplish this. You would be better of going on ground transportation.
Or you know just fly Airbus?
3 issues with this:
1. You immediately rule out airlines that almost exclusively operate Boeing (which is a significant chunk of the worldwide fleet). Depending on where you are, that may complicate travel plans in terms of destination options and fares paid
2. Airlines that operate more than one airframe usually stick to a common airframe for a certain route; however once you book a ticket from A to B, an airline is not responsible for ensuring you fly exclusively on Airbus planes. Routine or extreme circumstances may have you being put on a different airliner than you intended.
3. Or you could find airliners that exclusively operate a combination of Airbus and/or Embraer and/or Bombardier and/or MD. If you are flying from New York to Heathrow you'll be fine. For more specialized routes it may end up costing you more, or taking longer. Or you may be fine.
If you struggle with plane travel already then you should probably stick to Airbus for your sanity. Otherwise, just seems like extra stress for some sense of safety which isn't grounded in much fact.
I was going to recommend EasyJet as I think they are one of the few airlines in Europe that are an all Airbus fleet.
Careful, Embraer and MD both owned by Boeing now. Well, MD merged with Boeing in the late 90's, I think.
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