I know there’s a lot of Corden fans on here...
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Being serous though, he’s absolutely spot on
Very much spot on, indeed.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Very much spot on, indeed.
As far as I’m concerned, football rivalry can take a back seat for as long it needs to. What those cnuts are doing, is literally going to affect all of in a very bad way. They’re trying to rip up the competitive nature and the possibility of teams like West Had or Leicester taking their spot.
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Yes but creating a cartel is not the way forward. It has to be a pyramid based on merit from top to bottom so anyone can dream. Watford went through all of the leagues under G Tahlor and competed at the top. This has to be a dream for any club.
If this system had been introduced years ago we would still have the likes of Leeds, Forest, Villa, Sunderland, Wednesday and going back further Wolves, Bolton, Preston in a Euro super league, there would be no such thing as a sleeping giant because they could never fail.
You must have forgotten the green and gold campaign and the endless protesting in opposition to the Glazer takeover.
And it's never too late.
He was re elected since there wasn't more candidates.
I think when he said that about the younger generations he referred to something said by Agnelli days before
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That is a very good statement but it reads like there’s nothing they can do to stop it except appeal to the owner’s moral compass to withdraw...which let’s be honest doesn’t really exist.
Fair play to him, but it's a bit rich talking about fan behaviour given the welcome some teams have had in recent years at Anfield.
I wouldn't say global. It's just more Americanisation at this stage. Breaking down tradition and culture in favour of corporate structures with no soul aiming to grasp those with minute attention spans.
i had to delete a length insulting post after reading that post
We've got a lot of great global fans and it's part of this club but seriously get fecked to any that want english football ripped up to make it more convenient or suited to the fact they don't really like football.
While FIFA wants a similar super league for Africa. The moment money is showed to them, FIFA will sing whatever tune ESL clubs want it to sing
Wow. Emotionally invested as long as it’s a selective emotional investment. What an odd way of looking at it.
Strange that throughout my Utd supporting life, Utd have always been a glam tie and not only a scalp but the scalp . Strange then that all other clubs and including the likes of Burnley ( founding members of the League) have a huge emotional and historical investment in playing Utd, City, Liverpool etc but now owners who have no idea of the socio-historical knowledge of football in this country think it’s ok to ditch it.
Indeed. They want their own global club tournament, on their terms. So they are running scared of pissing these clubs off.
My thoughts exactly, they're getting absolutely fleeced and handed a backhand slap in the face on the top of that. This goes for the national leagues as well. You can't have the cake and eat it, I personally think that the FIFA, UEFA and all FAs (who also have a lot to lose) will do everything they can to prevent it from happening and that includes kicking out the Snake League teams from every competition, even if it means losing money. They have everyone on their side but those teams and a minority of the fans.
And you're also right about the odds. It could go either way, really, even f obviously the founding teams already counted on the backlash and checked the legal side of it.
Exactly. This must be stopped for the good of the game. If it means booting out United out of the league then so be it. I love United don’t get me wrong, but I love football first and foremost. I loved playing it, watching it. Highest highs and the lowest of lows — it’s all part of the package. Take one thing away and it becomes a sterile mess.
Yep, these people aren't global fans, simply global consumers. There's a very big difference.i had to delete a length insulting post after reading that post
We've got a lot of great global fans and it's part of this club but seriously get fecked to any that want english football ripped up to make it more convenient or suited to the fact they don't really like football.
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I don’t think many, if any, here would argue UEFA and FIFA are angels, but when put on a scale, they have to be addressed later. This ESL is a madness,.
The timid “wait until” approach is not the one to be taken here.
This is true. I think there’s a genuine concern out there about how this “content” is “consumed” and without radical change the whole house of cards will fall down.
Can’t help wondering if we’re all just old men yelling at clouds and the consumers that matter to the money men are fully on board with this. They’ll have researched the hell out of the proposal, that’s for sure.
i had to delete a length insulting post after reading that post
We've got a lot of great global fans and it's part of this club but seriously get fecked to any that want english football ripped up to make it more convenient or suited to the fact they don't really like football.
Very true.It's as if history were no part of the identity of a club.
Green and Gold was a nice try but I'm not sure the motives behind it were right. Died down pretty quickly the moment we spent more.
Btw I'm not against the idea of protests. Not at all. It's great to see this movement among fans of all clubs involved. But at the end of the day the writing was on the wall and I'd kid myself if I said I'd stop supporting this club I'm so emotianally invested in if this goes through.
This part cracked me up
"The stuff that excites me most about football:
2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc "
They have picked a nice time to do this while most fans are still not attending games. Nice way to avoid 75,000 people calling you a twat for 90 minutes.
Bayern are not innocent here. They have been driving this thing for decades. If the ESL becomes reality, Bayern will be on board.
Same. feck it, let's scorch earth this whole shit show and see what comes out the other side. Tbh, a Premier league with these 6 gone and 6 replacements would be intriguing.
It's weird seeing every scrote in the world who you'd disagree with on almost anything talking apparent sense. I bet even fecking Piers Morgan is against this.I know there’s a lot of Corden fans on here...
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Being serous though, he’s absolutely spot on
Feels like damn near every figure from Gandhi to Pol Pot would be on the same side of this issue.
Would be refreshing, put the top 3 from the championship in and scrap relegation for one season
He’s also right in that American fans don’t care in the franchise run sports world they live in. I don’t mean they are apathetic but have resigned themselves to the cynical business sports has become. The original baseball and football clubs had that historical grass roots following but got swallowed up by the cooperate world.I know there’s a lot of Corden fans on here...
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Being serous though, he’s absolutely spot on
Now it’s such a part of their society, yes they can’t get their head around promotion and relegation
Pop Pot would have them all executedIt's weird seeing every scrote in the world who you'd disagree with on almost anything talking apparent sense. I bet even fecking Piers Morgan is against this.
Feels like damn near every figure from Gandhi to Pol Pot would be on the same side of this issue.
Good points and I agree. But that wasn't going to happen under owners like ours, City's or Chelsea's.
It's the fact that American fans, as long as they can get a drink of beer at a game and a couple burgers will put up with watching absolute garbage. The fact the games have to have an end result, but they will sob if someone got relegated. That they are quite happy to watch sports that but for a very few teams is completely uncompetitive. Even fighting relegation brings drama.
If the European Club Association came out and said they wanted to form their own European competitions, without UEFA as a middlemen, in which competition 1) every club from Europe is welcome if they qualify and 2) there are no guaranteed participants, I'd wholeheartedly support it. Yes, let the ECA negotiate their own TV deals. For all I care, let clubs even broadcast games on their own chosen platforms. Make it transparent and cut out the middlemen. Great idea.
But this? This is a cartel, as you say. It's grotesque.
He is, he already tweeted that he would give up his Arsenal season tickets if this goes ahead. Only using a bit more colourful language than that.
That is a disgusting comment. He has basically s**t on the other la liga teams.
This is so true. My friend who started following football after watching me is barely able to watch full match and is most of the time on phone during the match if it isnt against a top team. This is after 7 years of watching the game. Only in big matches he will be attentive throughout the game but couldn't be arsed to watch games against Burnley or Fulham. People in this forum constitute passionate supporters but they are quite small when compared to global audience.
Pompous pillock.
I'm not going to go after your reasons, for which you are receiving quite a bit of stick but although I don't agree them with them it is at least good to get that perspective because clearly the club's feel there are enough who feel like you otherwise it wouldn't be viable.
My question is why you think it's an outstanding product? Honestly I think it looks amateurish. It's called a European Super League but currently there are only 3 countries involved with 12 teams over 7 cities. There have been comparisons to the NFL but they don't have 3 teams in 1 city and certainly don't have almost a third of the teams making up such a proportionately small region as England unless the plan would be to relocate some of those clubs which is completely possible over time. Add in to that they still seem to have no idea who the other 3 "founders" would be nor a clear structure of how the 5 other clubs would be invited, it seemed like they hadn't even thought about the impact on the women's game until the last minute and have kicked that can down the road and frankly the branding looks like a 12 year's school project.
I'm opposed to the idea anyway as it's non-competitive and not meritocratic but even if you were going to have a Super League I would expect it to be more thought through than this, it looks as if 99.9% of the time discussing it was spent on the financial side and the actual football aspect was dealt with in about 5 minutes.
He’s also way wrong in that. As a teacher I’ve spoken to a whole number of ‘ younger fans’ and to a man none of them want it. If you take that as a sample of the whole youth market it would be higher than the 76% to 5% against shown here
Right now the PL can kick out every big six team, tell them they're traitors to the sport, and nearly every single fan and non-fan in the UK and Europe are going to be on PL's side.
The ESL have 0 public favor as it stands today. UEFA, PL, FIFA and everyone with a say so have to act now.
I love this club to death and I will absolutely support and punishment levied on the club for this.
The players will be punished, but the players ARE Manchester United. The owners of the club are the ones that push the players, staff and manager infront of them like human shields while they meet in secret and refuse to come out from their gilded fortress to defend themselves.
The arrogance of the man.