They own the football club and whatever money it makes. So in a way it's their money. They can even choose to not spend whatever United make and there is nothing we can do about it.
European Super League
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
They’ll probably create storylines, like in the WWE. Look out for Arsenal starting off the season losing 4-5 games in a row, then winning every game for the rest of the season, with Wenger making a dramatic appearance on the touch line in the final after Arteta was unable to make it due to his wife being in the delivery room the exact moment the final is about to take place.
What do you think the financial reward for finishing 15th and 1st are in a SL?
I don't like this ESL solely because of the lack of relegation, it's a franchise model, next step is New York Devils.
I think the Champions league does need some reforms, double elimation would be nice, I enjoy that format in other things.
The groups, top two teams go winner bracket, bottom two go losers bracket, Best of 1 games in loser bracket (in Neutral Venues!) there you go play that shit in Dubai for all I care.
I think the Champions league does need some reforms, double elimation would be nice, I enjoy that format in other things.
The groups, top two teams go winner bracket, bottom two go losers bracket, Best of 1 games in loser bracket (in Neutral Venues!) there you go play that shit in Dubai for all I care.
What a disgusting attitude.
Yup, it's all set up for a big change and no fans will win in the end. I guess I won't have any regrets going full river on all games now
Absolutely no chance this happens, think of the various fiscal regimes between Spain/England/Italy etc.
You cannot do drafts like in the NBA when players are subjected to different tax rates.
As for making it entertaining, I agree with other posters that the scarcity of facing Real Madrid every other year is a big part of my interest in those games. Playing them week in week out takes out all the charm.
This is just racist nonsense imo. Theres been rumours of a super league for decades now, the whole thing is led by Juve, Barca and Madrid ffs.
Lack of investment on new players is not something I've been concerned about as a Chelsea fan for nearly 2 decades.
This move will make the rich clubs richer and slam shut what was already a nearly closed door for everyone else.
I would also add Real/Perez (Galacticos) and Juve. I mean Juve have been quite obviously preparing this for years and their branding suggests to me they pushed for this heavily.
Dan Roan: Some of those involved call traditional supporters "legacy fans" while they're instead focused on the "fans of the future"
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I thought this could be a paletable natural progression of the game that would eventually have to happen, save for a complete bursting of the football bubble, because all industries have to expand and grow or they die. Stagnation is death. With the increasing popularity of the game world wide it seemed somewhat far fetched to imagine that United playing Burnley or Real playing Heusca would be maximizing the potential of the game. I could see a scenario where a new level of the pyramid was created that is fully integrated into the european leagues to allow for this with a more egaliterean design.
Not having this debate in here because it will derail the thread.
You will see parity mechanisms in the ESL to keep costs down, and help ensure competitiveness across the 15 clubs without the clubs having to overbid each other.
The Glazer family has never "pumped money" into the club. The club was bought on debt with security against Glazers own holdings. That debt has been paid off by the club. The remaining debt is the debt that was secured against the clubs own assets.
The only thing they have allowed the club to do is invest its own money in its own operation, while being the only owners in our league that take money out of the club.
We're purely, and solely a investment for the owners. Where other clubs have owners that are at least part interested in success on the pitch, we have owners that are interested in financial success and to do reasonably well on the pitch to ensure the investment value increases.
Man, Joel Glazer even said he took years to understand offside. They don't even know the bloody sport.
Americans are a race now?
One of the most galling things for me is the base hypocrisy from Chelsea and City who always used the line "its not fair for the big clubs to pull the ladder up after them, we should be able to invest to catch up", and now they're trying to pull the ladder up after them.
It's not a debate, it's a fact.
Eligible players would come from clubs that aren't in the league. For example lets say that Mbappé plays for PSG in 2023 and his contract ends in 2024, he registers for the entry draft and the team with the 1st pick can have him. In many ways it's comparable to the NHL where european young players are in a traditional european format but still register to the NHL entry draft every year.
As per the reports yesterday, an insignificant amount when compared to the money gained from being part of an elite 15 and the spend that would currently be required to compete with the top clubs.
The Glazers would unquestionably make more money underinvesting and finishing bottom of the SL than they would spending the money required to win or indeed consistently compete in the CL.
How can this be undone? What kind of compromise we would be willing to accept? Stringent FFP, ownership model changes ( no state sponsored ownership) , bigger share of European TV money?
How is any of this racist?
I've replied multiple times to that question.
Merit still exists, these clubs weren't just selected at random. This isn't a postcode lottery of teams is it?
As it currently stands, it's 15 'elites' and 5 that drop in and drop out. There's nothing stopping a team like Southampton winning the CL multiple times, growing a following and becoming more competitive and asking questions about joining the SL full time, otherwise they'd just create another SL that involved them and other clubs.
It doesn't make sense for the competition is completely exclusionary it's entire lifespan.
For Barça not a problem, they hate Spain
But what is the incentive of Mbappe doing that when right now he could run his contract down and let the best paying club sign him in a location he actually wants to go to?
The club might have power over governance but they don't have power over the players here.
Perez and Madrid have been pushing for this for years. It's no surprise that Perez is the President. I'm sure our American owners are all heavily involved but its not just at their feet to lay the blame.
I think people enjoy the fantasy that Real, Juve, Bayern, MU, Liverpool, Arsenal, PSG could be relegated in the modern era... rather than the reality.
It's like the American illusion that if you compete hard enough and find a niche that you can defeat Amazon or Walmart in retail.
But I suppose keeping that illusion intact would make it much more palatable for fans who actually think the game is played on a level playing field.
Yeah you're right, how dare the best teams play the best teams. Disgraceful. I came here to see FC Cluj lose 7-0 to Barcelona and I'm not leaving until it happens
What a strange guy. Gone down in my estimations as a poster on here.
Remember Sky/PL/Clubs whoever it was charging for those extra games and it flopped?Yup, it's all set up for a big change and no fans will win in the end. I guess I won't have any regrets going full river on all games now
Im surprised it doesnt happen more with all these pay packages.
That does mean though that this billionaire hasn't been pumping money into the club. Which you just argued that he had.
USA states have different tax rates as well. For all the reasons why an entry draft wouldn't work in European football, different tax regimes is the least of their problems.
Berlusconi suggested it as far back as the 1980's.
Its really hard to empathize with UEFA or FIFA over this, although I do feel for the supporters of clubs like Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Lille etc who have always accounted well for themselves when given the opportunity. FIFA has been a shit hole of corruption.
UEFA has failed many times over to address racist abuse in European competitions and with more commercial revenue at stake and a strict attitude towards that, at least the super league would be free from it.
Other than guaranteed participation, I don't see much wrong with a super league proposal. Will it be any worse if the league is gradually expanded to 32 teams and they hold onto a franchise system like in American sports?
UEFA has failed many times over to address racist abuse in European competitions and with more commercial revenue at stake and a strict attitude towards that, at least the super league would be free from it.
Other than guaranteed participation, I don't see much wrong with a super league proposal. Will it be any worse if the league is gradually expanded to 32 teams and they hold onto a franchise system like in American sports?
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Genuinely feel a bit sick.
What is the point with solidarity payments to clubs that no longer can compete, even in theory? 10 bn over 23 seasons.. that amounts to less than 0,5 bn per season divided between 2-300 clubs? Decided by which factors? Who places highest in the domestic leagues, or sells the most players to a Super League team?
Mehh, when it's financed by JP Morgan? I think you can piss off with the racism argument. It's American turbo capitalism performing a coup against football, I'm really hoping this will help wake people up to what capitalism is really about which is, protect yourself and your profits and feck the rest.
1. Why do these 15 clubs get to automatically qualify because they are the top dogs at this moment? The time factor is the random variable here. Do this in 1995 and it may include Blackburn. Do this in 1980 and it may include Forest. These Super League clubs have secured their position for the foreseeable future.
2. Again, you are assuming that new teams get to join this exclusive group of clubs who automatically qualify. There is 0 indication of that so far.
I was wondering how long it'd take for woke capitalism to rear its ugly head as an excuse.
I'm sure we can also improve diversity in the league by incorporating teams from Tokro, Beijing, Singapore, Delhi, New York, California, Houston, Kuala Lumpur and Dubai.