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Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Jazz

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I would like all the organisations and these 12 clubs to start their dialogue and get on with things. Fans and players need to know what is going to happen.
Tired of all this crap being reported in the press. Get together and sort the shit out quickly.
 

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This will surely be a deal breaker with many players. Will the likes of Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Sterling, Pogba, Bruno, Salah, Van Dijk, Kane etc really agree to play in this new league if it means never playing for their countries ever again?
more postering

the euros and wc without the best players would be non events.
 

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What? Ole didn’t rest players against Sociedad at home ffs. Oddly enough top players want to win every fecking game regardless of if the achievement of top 4 is at stake. The sodding hypocrisy of people banging on about greed and then using the money finishing 4th brings as some brilliant bastion shining light of sporting integrity is astounding.
woosh, take a break, go back and try to understand what people are point out for you. I write it here again
The clubs would have no incentive or any need to be competitive in the EPL, as there would no longer be champions league qualification at stake. They would however want to be competitive in the super league due to prize money offered. This would affect the performance in the EPL and thus the integrity of the game in the domestic game.
 

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All good and well but the guy you're replying to is right. Without the big clubs, the league's are dead. Money from tv rights will dry up and the league's will die. The FA's have literally no choice.

To me it seems like FIFA and UEFA are threatened at losing their own monopoly
The big clubs will no longer be big clubs.
 

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All I can say is thank god have been lucky to enjoy football for over 25 years and not just starting to follow it in this soulless era of the sport.
 

Zlatan 7

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Sociedad home. Why did Burnley matter at the weekend? We’re home and hosed already for the great top 4 achievement. Leeds just beat City - how is that possible? They had nothing to play for. Amazed their players even bothered to turn up.
:lol: First the sociedad game was beaten for months for not resting players argument and now it’s being brought up here again, that game!:lol:

the result of that game was crucially important
 

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you really think the PL will kick out its 6 richest clubs out? i can't see this happening in a million years. they will threaten to do so, of course, but the impact it would have on revenue, tv rights, etc, is far too great for them to actually go through with. as i said before, it's postering.
I think it would be totally counterproductive, I've made the point numerous times today, I just think the 6 teams have little point in competing in the league. I think there's a chance the other teams expel them too. I don't think it's up the the PL themselves.

Sky and BT but be absolutely shitting themselves.
 

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This will surely be a deal breaker with many players. Will the likes of Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Sterling, Pogba, Bruno, Salah, Van Dijk, Kane etc really agree to play in this new league if it means never playing for their countries ever again?
This could be the thing that stops it.

If all the stars players are immediately looking to get out of their contracts, it could throw clubs into turmoil. The players could ultimately be the bargaining chips.
 

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more postering

the euros and wc without the best players would be non events.
Those best players would no longer be world players. And they are rich enough already they may not go along with it.
 

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This will surely be a deal breaker with many players. Will the likes of Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Sterling, Pogba, Bruno, Salah, Van Dijk, Kane etc really agree to play in this new league if it means never playing for their countries ever again?
Its the biggest weapon FIFA/UEFA have at this point. No self-respecting player would give up a chance to represent their country at the WC just to be in some posh, plastic league run by the likes of Perez and Woodward.
 
The Super League is going to offer Bayern, PSG and Dortmund (founding) membership as soon as possible. Leaving PSG 14 days to respond and the German clubs 30 days.

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Spiegel claim to have the contract that outlines the framework for ESL, 167 pages, dated April 17th.

Apparently it sets out that the league's board is going to offer Bayern, PSG and Dortmund (founding) membership as soon as possible. Leaving PSG 14 days to respond and the German clubs 30 days.
 

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more postering

the euros and wc without the best players would be non events.
Not convinced about that. Every country will still be there, every nation supported like always. There have been plenty of World Cups where a big team didnt qualify and big names were missing.
 

Zlatan 7

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Multiply it by 100 when the results of the League have absolutely no bearing. At least when teams had to finish top 4 there was something to fight for. There will be no benefit for Spurs to finish 3rd or 13th. They'll still get their games with Madrid the next season, that is not the case right now.
I’m quite amazed people can’t see this and the difference to what currently happens with balancing European and league games and what it would be become with a closed competition at the end of the season
 

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Make it happen. I don't care about all these outrages and crying from UEFA, PL, Sky etc who are crying because they see loss in revenue and hiding behind fake morality and tradition.

As for fans as a whole, almost every new thing whether they'd turn out good or bad have usually always been met with outrage. If this SL works out people will be on board.
So you're okay with gatekeeping and effectively denying a chance for other teams to play at the highest level forever? Increasing exponentially the already huge financial gap and making it permanent while definitely damaging the national competitions by essentially making them worthless? Playing the same teams over and over with no risks and nothing at stake while keeping on raking up the cash? Increasing the costs for the basic fan to watch his team playing away (good luck with getting a ticket when MU will play Corinthians or River Plate as an invited team)?

The sheer sense of entitlement, arrogance and short-sightedness of your post is astounding. I hold no grudge against any team of big six, or any other team for that matter, but I do hope that, should this monstrosity see the light, your club and all the teams who signed to it will be kicked out of every other competition. Have fun playing the same 38 odd games year in year out.
 

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I'm sorry but no one will watch the Premier League outside of England for a title race between Leicester West Ham and Everton
I will and I am outside of England. I certainly wont be watching Hollywood utd FC taking on the Real Warriors at 3am at the superdome
 

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I think this is just the big clubs trying to get UEFA to change some rules in their favor. Surely they would know that it would lead to massive opposition, politics and otherwise. This is how I see it ending, with UEFA making some compromises and changing some rules on FFP and whatnot.

But, in the small chance that this will happen, let's not be naive. There might be protests initially, but it would end up being a massive commercial success for the teams involved and their owners.
 

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I just think the 6 teams have little point in competing in the league.
don't understand why anyone would think this. the clubs still want to compete in their domestic leagues. as they should. that won't change. it's only the top 4 race that gets messed up, the one most people criticise clubs like Arsenal for celebrating.
 

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how so? 3 teams are promoted and relegated every year. in the SL, there would be 5 new teams. yes, the 15 would remain the same, but the majority of PL clubs also stay the same, on the whole.
Why would anybody want to be in that competition with those 15 teams?

"Come, come over here and play in our elitist competition for a year."
"Yes we know you did well but those 15 other teams paid to be here"

There's a difference investing a lot of cash into a team and making it good, to outright buying positions in a competition.
 

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Spiegel claim to have the contract that outlines the framework for ESL, 167 pages, dated April 17th.

Apparently it sets out that the league's board is going to offer Bayern, PSG and Dortmund (founding) membership as soon as possible. Leaving PSG 14 days to respond and the German clubs 30 days.
Bayern already released official statement on their website today saying nope
 

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Quite right. Hope they do the same in the Europa also. Hit the mother feckers where it hurts
I really can't see this happening. UEFA would stand to lose too much money (regardless of the clubs fortunes) UEFA would lose so much money.

Plus it's unfair on the players who have worked so hard to get there, most of which are the fringe players for Man Utd.
 

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Only thing is Glazer's and Henry are probably happy about it as they'll be able to 'move the franchise'. Not sure what Chelsea will do as their pitch owners own the name Chelsea Football Club and I think also own the freehold to Stamford Bridge.
That might well be the ultimate goal. For all I know there's millions of "fans" out there who have no understanding of the culture and history of the clubs, and are mostly interested in the "brand". The clubs could just relocate to Asia, fill the teams with mediocre players, hype them up in their media monopoly and still have millions of viewers generating revenue while keeping costs low and keep the revenue flowing. It happens all the time in other businesses.
 

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Not convinced about that. Every country will still be there, every nation supported like always. There have been plenty of World Cups where a big team didnt qualify and big names were missing.
Problem is that banning the players does absolutely feck all to penalise the clubs who will probably be happy their assets are not being risked in international games, it just hurts the players who have no control and no stake in this.
 

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Let's say the ESL establishes itself away from FIFA/UEFA, what kinda football rule will they follow ? I mean for offsides, handballs etc etc.
It could be a totally different football
 

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Again, can someone explain how do you think this will impact PL ? From what I read, this is purely hitting UEFA.

Yes, it's monopoly of 6 teams trying to grab huge money from outside but they aren't doing anything impacting the PL though ?
I was torn on it this morning but im on the cant let it happen side now but 6 teams who are able to duke it out with capped City is better than the 1 club domination we see today. Its the 1 argument in this that falls down. In a few decades only Leicester have gotten into CL over these 6 clubs.